Adhd

[mysticwarrior]

ADHD doesn't exist. People think if a kid can't focus, he/she needs to be strapped down and medicated. Kids are supposed to be all over the place. Stop medicating kids.

I'm glad you're off that horrid drug.

It does exist, but the symptoms are natural, and are a trouble if you life in our western culture.

but by far most of the indications today are false, these kids mostly don't have adhd, they wouldn't need medication to begin with, but they're given medication without close supervision and in too high doses.

Some of the psychiatrists are pretty stupid. When i took the ritalin's for a couple of weeks, i collected many news items from the internet, the claimed that ritalin and other ADHD medications where dangerous. I printed out, something like 40 articles and went to my psychiatrist. I asked here, if these meds where really save. She told me that if she said that it would be save, i could trust here. So on that moment i asked for a explanation why there where so many news items claiming the exact opposite of what she was telling me. I said, alright you have done a study, and so you should know where you are talking about. But in the news items there are also people who have done a study and should know where they are talking about. But now my problem is who i need to believe? Suddenly you saw here brain working like hel, but she couldn't give some good arguments and explanations.

So i asked here if the origin of here knowledge was the farma industrie. No she said, that's not the case. So i said, that's strangs, the farma designs the meds and teach the doctors the knowledge that is available. And then she said, yeah oke some of the knowledge comes from that industrie. So i told here that she just did lie right into my face.

At the end of our conversation, she never made a new appointment. I think she understood that i was done with here, and she could better get a rid of me

 

[Twilight]

Woah! Nice man. That probably took some guts
I don't think I would ever have the guts to do something like that..

But well, I don't have ADHD and maybe I would have done the same lol

 

[mysticwarrior]

Woah! Nice man. That probably took some guts Wink

You should have seen here face, she didn't know what to tell anymore. Of course it was a trap of me, but i guess it made here think a little further. There are more psychiatrist who in the end find out the truth....

 

[Arcticpheonix]

Woah! Nice man. That probably took some guts Wink

You should have seen here face, she didn't know what to tell anymore. Of course it was a trap of me, but i guess it made here think a little further. There are more psychiatrist who in the end find out the truth....

Of course it was a trap, but it was one she wouldn't have ended up in had she been telling the truth to begin with. Good on ya!

Can you somehow...describe the *difference* you feel? I am just very curious.

Just to add to Mystic's (wonderful) response:
If you have ever smoked too much Marijuana, and then tried to focus on something, you have already experienced a big part of it. You put all your energy into staying "on task", and for the first few minutes it works, then your mind starts to drift (rapidly, in different directions) and you forget all about it. In the case of ADHD your body tends to drift the same way.

What the "medications" do is basically keep you so wired that your mind CAN'T drift. The effects are largely the same as Methamphetamine, and I personally know of several (meth) addicts who started off by taking Ritalin recreationaly.

 

[zezt]

ADHD doesn't exist. People think if a kid can't focus, he/she needs to be strapped down and medicated. Kids are supposed to be all over the place. Stop medicating kids.

I'm glad you're off that horrid drug.

It does exist, but the symptoms are natural, and are a trouble if you life in our western culture.

but by far most of the indications today are false, these kids mostly don't have adhd, they wouldn't need medication to begin with, but they're given medication without close supervision and in too high doses.

Some of the psychiatrists are pretty stupid. When i took the ritalin's for a couple of weeks, i collected many news items from the internet, the claimed that ritalin and other ADHD medications where dangerous. I printed out, something like 40 articles and went to my psychiatrist. I asked here, if these meds where really save. She told me that if she said that it would be save, i could trust here. So on that moment i asked for a explanation why there where so many news items claiming the exact opposite of what she was telling me. I said, alright you have done a study, and so you should know where you are talking about. But in the news items there are also people who have done a study and should know where they are talking about. But now my problem is who i need to believe? Suddenly you saw here brain working like hel, but she couldn't give some good arguments and explanations.

So i asked here if the origin of here knowledge was the farma industrie. No she said, that's not the case. So i said, that's strangs, the farma designs the meds and teach the doctors the knowledge that is available. And then she said, yeah oke some of the knowledge comes from that industrie. So i told here that she just did lie right into my face.

At the end of our conversation, she never made a new appointment. I think she understood that i was done with here, and she could better get a rid of me

Yours is one of the most beautiful and powerful posts I have ever seen! Ie in the childlike direct way you exposed that shrink

but you are wrong that adhd exists...it doesn't

 

[Illegalsmile]

i think such a condition does in fact exist.
if any of you have it or know someone who does you can see the difference.
but i don't think it should be called add
Attention Deficit Disorder,
that would imply that it is an impairment which is only part true. Most people with this condition have trouble with school and focusing on unwanted tasks, but excel at alternative subjects such as art, literature, and charisma
i think of it as a unique thing rather than a disorder

somewhere along these lines

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn1 ... omads.html

we probably wont find out what it really is for a while
but something's very shady about how the media takes this issue

 

[mysticwarrior]

I forgot to tell, that i also made the psychytrist felt a little bit gulty. I started with ritalin for the following reasons. My dad and little brother where also diagnosed with ADD and ADHD. They did run, just like me to a lot trouble well they really did there best and where optimistic. So because they became desperate, they start taking ritalin. But my dad is already poisoned by paroxatine and Respidal. And know he started ritalin. So started googling and already found out about the danger of ritalin. But i wanted to know what it did, what they wanted to give my brother and father. So that's why i went to the psychiatrist(Also in the hope that maybe, maybe maybe it should work, all the news items could also be bullshit. I wanted just to find out the truth. I where already ones diagnosed with ADD, but suddenly know i had ADHD. Hmmm, yeaaah alright.... But it was nice woman, she really hadn't a clue. So i got home with a subscription for ritalin. I first had to start with 3 pills a day, and later i maybe could get a little more.

The first day was great. It felt really great! It was like as if it was really working. But after the effects came down from the first pill. I felt terrible, then i took the second and felt great again. So i already thought, hmmmm. This continued for the whole day. The second day, i could hardly notice the effects. And i where already disapointed, but i had promised myself to try it for 3 weeks well i already know what poison it was.

And the end of week 3, my parents called me. They where worried, because i had not been there for 3 weeks. Then i fucking realised well i had tried to be consciouss of it, that because of the ritalin i had became a zombie. I just did sit for 3 weeks behind my computer desk. It felt just as if i had no-time, well in fact i had the whole day and at the end of the day didn't notice this. It was really weird because i really tried to be consciouss about everything the ritalin did. I directly quited when my parents called, and started to think what i would gonna say to the psychiatrist. in fact i where a little angry, that she, how stupid she is. she just wanted to poison my dad and brother because she believed everything she had studied! So after she stapped into my trap, i told here how bad i felt, that she poisoned my familly. And told here, that she should feeling guilty that she give this meds to little children. Afterwards i gave here a name i have already forgotten. Anyway it was a psychiatrist who first believed the ADHD myth and after some own research, found out about a different truth.

Trough the ages i have been diagnosed with a borderline disorder, later they found out that they where wrong. And then they diagnosed me with ADD. Well the description fitted exactly but when ii moved trough another city and had to go to another psychiatrist. There i got diagnosed again! And now it was ADHD so I know it are just names and lie's to let people feel sick and make big cash with the farma. But there are certain condition of the mind where people can grow stuck in. And that's what could be called ADD/ADHD, it doesn't really matter, there is a large group of people who do have symptoms that limits them. And can make them feel really bad.

but you are wrong that adhd exists...it doesn't

Now that i think about it, alright we should stop thinking that it exists, else we keep the story alive, with all the intoxicated children as result. I should even make a message of it. But then i need a good explanation to explain why ADHD, doesn't exist at all.

In the end, i still have a some of these symptoms, but i now enjoy them instead of ridcule them. But since i don't have to work anymore, because another game i played in the past, i have all the time of the day to explorer and experience my life in my own way. And i am quit happy with these symptom's. And can do things in our world, what i think would matter instead of a government decide that for me, and treat me as a slave. Yet, it isn't easy, because lots of people do ridicule me if i am honest to them, what i usually am. But i realise that it are the narrow minded people who do this, so i can accept it now and forgive them 8)

I know now, that a part my problem was that i didn't wanted to sell my soul!

 

[mrvitorsky]

Man my head works very near the same way as adhd was just described. Except I can handle two things at once and dont have the need to walk when I cant, I can control that much at least. But 24/7 It feels like my head Is screaming in pure chaos, 100 different voices and personalities just yelling asking my main consciousness to listen. It feels like people are knocking on my head going hello listen I gotta talk. I could describe endless issues I have that go on in my head that society describes as weird(I also of a history of insanity in my family). Ive lied to every doctor and psychiatrist when It comes to my head and worries from family and school so no diagnosis of any kind, I just don't trust doctors or others in general in maters of my minds workings, I don't think any one should. But I find I'm functional enough, Ive turned life into a head nodding game, I do what they ask half assed nod my head, and let my head wonder in its self. I find these workings of my head help my writing so I feel disgusted the way society handles It. Like one frame of mind Is the right frame of mind. Sorry rant much of It non topical and senseless.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

This is what we all need:

Loving attention from our mother and father, and lots of it during the first two or three years of our lives. That attention doesn't have to be continuous (that's impossible), but it must be regular and focused. It should include breastfeeding, if possible, and allowing the baby to sleep either in the same bed as the parents do, or in the same room. Likewise throughout the rest of childhood and adolescence there should not be a deficit of attention from the parents.

Good nutrition during our development in the womb and our first 20 years of life. Again, it should start with breastfeeding, with the mother eating a healthy diet with some important food supplements. All the minerals, vitamins and essential fatty acids should be abundantly available in the blood stream and nervous system.

The freedom to cry, to run around, to pick things up and investigate them, to make mistakes, to develop slower than our peers (for example speech, potty training etc.), to be possesive etc. This list is practically endless. Young children should not be taken into situations where they are bound to get bored, create problems and then be silenced or punished for it, for example when mommy goes shopping, talks with friends all the time etc.

When we're a little older (10-16): a properly guided rite of passage, involving deep psychedelic re-experiencing of our birth and all physical and emotional traumas that preceded and followed it. Ideally our own parents would have gone through such a process when they were around that age (i.e. before they met eachother).

Whoever has received these things is very unlikely to suffer from any "disorder" or "condition", and will most likely not suffer from depression, mania, suicidal tendencies, or any neurosis, psychosis or type of schizophrenia.

 

[mysticwarrior]

Caducues, except for:

Good nutrition during our development in the womb and our first 20 years of life. Again, it should start with breastfeeding, with the mother eating a healthy diet with some important food supplements. All the minerals, vitamins and essential fatty acids should be abundantly available in the blood stream and nervous system.

When i was a little older, i just ignored to eat healthy. Even if they forced me, i would close my mouth without saying any word. Because of that i never eated much more vegetables then potatoes. I just dislike almost everything.... And i am aware that this could be the cause of my problem. But i still have HUGE problem with food. You can count my bones. :S

But we don't need to forget that a kid of 16 years old, can meet friends that pull him/here in to a world, where he/she fucks up there whole life and then let them left alone with lots of regrets.

 

[Ultima]

i have A.D.D. .. but i have stopped taking my medication because well.. it seems that i have a bit of trouble.. umm.. "getting it up" when im with a woman.. lol, good ol Dexadrine. but yeah i find that pot/alcohol sumwhat dulls down your mind, making it so when your starting to sober up you can concentrade 100% (usually lasting at least a day or two), then i find my mind wandering again. this is partially why i smoke herb.

pretty much you learn to do things without medication.. but it does take more will power. (im pretty lazy without dex)

 

[Synith]

Heh.

Adhd means you're bored with the shit they teach in school and would rather play 4-square outside.

 

[Arcticpheonix]

i have A.D.D. .. but i have stopped taking my medication because well.. it seems that i have a bit of trouble.. umm.. "getting it up" when im with a woman.. lol, good ol Dexadrine. but yeah i find that pot/alcohol sumwhat dulls down your mind, making it so when your starting to sober up you can concentrade 100% (usually lasting at least a day or two), then i find my mind wandering again. this is partially why i smoke herb.

pretty much you learn to do things without medication.. but it does take more will power. (im pretty lazy without dex)

That's a big problem with a LOT of medications like that. I know the antidepressant they had me on was like that. Even the stuff they have me on now isn't conducive to that sort of activity, but it's better than it was.