about the Illuminati psychedelic conspiracy theory

[IJesusChrist]

Zezt!

Its no big deal. You dont have to make it all complex. In fact it is the idea its all vastly complex and beyond the ken of the common person to understand whats going on that is also part of the propaganda they do on us. But it is quite crudely simple

When you can simply label these socio-economic ideas to a single group, and a single action, and a single motivation, you are simplifying the subject way too much. There have been people researching capitalistic, socialistic, communistic and ehtier economic impacts for decades.

... I think there are people who are prone to believe in conspiracys, and those that aren't.

 

[EndlessEntity]

funny when people use the name "conspiracy theorists"
one half of everyone jumps on the conspiracy theorist bashing bandwagon "their a bunch of paranoid hippies"
and the other half jumps on the "other" band wagon, chemtrails, jayz is with illuminati, HAARP in alaska, the NWO, alex jones show lol"

how bout a neutral ground where some "conspiracies" are actual people actually fucking us over everyday "citizens" over, and some conspiracies are just media glamour?

lets call the Illuminati a possibility until you can prove it wrong, the evidence is on the table.
lets also not call everyone crazy who thinks the possibility of our rich elite going in a dark alleyway to discuss their plans for financial future which, beleive it or not, effects everyone.

everyone has their opinions
would you call Enron's insider trading "conspiracy" cuz that type of shit happens every day on wall street, which tips the economic scale that we are all a part of.

 

[itsscience]

Endless Entity, Enron is a good example. Enron is an example of a few elite cooking the books of a company for their own personal profit. They were not falsifying the books to wreak some dark plan on the whole of mankind, they were doing it to increase their bank balances. It just so happens to be that in doing so they have negatively affected millions of other people, not through some nefarious conspiracy but through greed and a failure to understand the fundamental interconnectedness of all things.

Similarly the ham fisted legislative attempts made by governments all over the world have far reaching consequences never considered by the insular public servants whose task it is to write the legislation. It is far easier for most to accept that there is a shady bunch of wealthy people controlling everything towards their grand plan, than to understand the subtle complexities of international commerce combined with the grass roots decisions of consumers the world over. This type of understanding takes years of study, beleiving in the illuminati takes reading a few blogs of information that is not peer reviewed or in any other way independantly verifiable.

 

[EndlessEntity]

exactly
theres obviously people higher up affecting us in many ways not all of them could be connected, a few might be connected but to deny their existence completely isn't logical to me.

 

[itsscience]

I don't think anyone is denying the existence of greed CEO's and CFO's and other senior management, rather what is being denied is that they are doing it with a view to creating some world order or other devious plan such as the "illuminati" are fabled to do.
The point being don't confuse one man's (or a few men's) greed for the actions of a mythical group.

 

[zezt]

Lets get real. There exist videos now (and dont under estimate the internet of blogs, and videos etc hey. It is us the common people communicating. dont put yourself and us down, and big up the so-called 'experts'--who are usually on big money and dont WANNA rock the boat) that show just how many of these big wigs in power are spouting 'New world worder, new world order' all over the place. So what the f do you need? Why are you in denial? Have you seen this for example? WAKE UP TO THE NWO UFO Documentary Weaponization of Space Part 1 Are you saying this is fantasy? If you do, explain to the people listening why in detail please?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Here are my points.

1. The video; Yeah, how is this any type of illuminati conspiracy? It is not a conspiracy, it is called the united states military funding whatever the hell it wants. The US military has a budget the size of many LARGE countries.

Here is a response:

A really badly? smelling manipulative conspiracytainment production. It fabricates pseudo-connections from historical? out-of-context facts.

Here is the "info" part of the movie:

New World Order, war, US, EU, euro, one world government, politics, Illuminati, mind control, freemasons, secret societies, conspiracy, 911 truth, bush, cheney, wolfowitz, obama, clinton, rockefeller, rothschild, kissenger, warburg, crowley, skull & bones, alex jones, david Icke, Jordan Maxwell, Naomi Wolf, Aaron Russo, Leo Zagami, jfk, shadow government, knights templar, malta, satanists, NAU, NAFTA, Amero, Iraq, Iran, CIA, oligarchy, ufo, alien, roswell, reptilian, 2012, bohemian grove, vatican, black pope, jesuits, police state, mk ultra, zionism, chemtrails, FEMA camps, RFID chip, orwell, 1984, brave new world, revolution

Zezt. THIS is propoganda, can you see that? The real conspiracy ANYWHERE is just greed. It's not the illuminati, it's not some secret world bank... It's just the military's ability to take land use. Land is the most valuable resource now with such great populations - land houses people, land turns out products, land holds resources, land feeds the masses. ALL WARS ARE FOUGHT OVER LAND. This video of the US military being in charge of the space missions... how does that surprise you? There is no reason to go into outerspace, especially in the 40's-50's, other than military war tactics. Why the fuck would any government want to spend billions of dollars and years of intelligent thought on getting people to the most uninhabitble place we've ever been to? This isn't rocket science! Oh wait yeah it is.

2. Endlessentity, those who have a negative connotation tied to the word "conspiracy theory" have that problem. I don't. It is just 2 words.

3.

I don't think anyone is denying the existence of greed CEO's and CFO's and other senior management, rather what is being denied is that they are doing it with a view to creating some world order or other devious plan such as the "illuminati" are fabled to do.
The point being don't confuse one man's (or a few men's) greed for the actions of a mythical group.

4. If you look hard enough you are going to find conspiracy theorists. It's a conspiracy when you steal cookies from your mother's cookie jar. When the US military wants to steal another person's cookies, I call it lieing propoganda, conspiracy means, to me, that more than one entity is on the steal.

5. The more you get into conspiracy theories, the harder you are going to get out. The human mind is PERFECT for finding patterns and attributing them to entities or ideas - that doesn't mean they are there.

6. Unless the theory directly impacts your life, why care. I stay uninformed, I don't worry about taxes because I don't give a shit about $, I rebel with paint and words, I educate myself from other's teachings, and I am content.

If you really cary about propoganda and theories this much, yes make the blog for god's sake.

I just honestly believe (falsely of course) that the majority of people can see through this propoganda. I feel content with conspiracies because I can see right through them, so I assume so can everyone else, thusly they are not conspiracies any more.

I gotta go. •There is no illuminati, •conspiracies rely on the uneducated, •if you care then you have to take action, •the human mind is meant to make something out of nothing.

 

[itsscience]

An excellent illumination of the topic IJC.

The key point here is education. The more educated the individual the less likely they will be influenced by propoganda (both the propoganda of institutions and of activists). Feel free to believe what you want just be prepared to come to the table with hard evidence (and zezt, thoroughly check that hard evidence to ensure it is making the point you want - your video proves nothing other than the US govt is spending billions on space research mostly for warlike purposes - uh...who didn't know that?).

 

[zezt]

The Complete Idiot's Guide to the New World Order

 

[EndlessEntity]

nice. you can argue the existence of illuminati but the builderburg and CFR and the Trilateral commision are pretty "in your face" about it.

 

[IJesusChrist]

First.

What does this prove? It's a clip of a bunch of people saying "New world order" over and over. Then it is also has 2 images of maps drawn of roadways to facilitate trade. Then it talks about a currency unity (which will not happen for another 50 years but is inevitable). Robert moses did this to new york city in the 50's (?) and now there is enough people in power, with a population homogenized enough to do it on an international scale. This is just capitalism. I see no conspiracy here...

Capitalism is the force in which these parties arise. These parties think they are in control, but really it is the buyers. It is the weakness of the american culture to be homogenized by advertisement and TV. How many of you or your friends watch family guy? What beer do you drink? What car do you drive? Most of us on this site are NOT going to fit in the main stream, and in that way we are automatically against and fighting this push of capitalistic power. But still, what do you find wrong with currency unity, and border disappearance?

The secret meeting... what happened? It's a secret. Because it's a secret doesn't mean they want to control the world, and they don't. They want people to act the same, and they want people to buy the same. This is NOT a conspiracy. This IS capitalism. Realize this!!!!

 

[EndlessEntity]

could be but doesnt explain why they have to have "secret builderburg meetings"
which btw it is illegal for U.S. Government officials to meet with foreign officials concerning foreign and domestic policy without notifying the public.

 

[itsscience]

I've said my piece on this and it is clear that the two sides are not going to agree but I would like one thing clarified. Endless Entity can you please tell me what section of what act of parliament in USA makes it illegal for US government officials to meet with foreign officials without telling the public?

 

[EndlessEntity]

man... i guess leme look through the constitution. i know its in there somewhere....

 

[EndlessEntity]

WOOOO found it!!!! took long enough!!!!!

The Logan Act is a US law that prohibits private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments

heres the wiki but im sure its more in depth is you actually read the amendment.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act

 

[IJesusChrist]

The Logan Act is a United States federal law that forbids unauthorized citizens from negotiating with foreign governments.

I'm sure they are authorized - they are making money & trade. More taxes.

 

[EndlessEntity]

http://law.jrank.org/pages/8357/Logan-Act.html

it says here presidential candidate Jesse Jackson almost got prosecuted for violating this act with Fidel Castro
so if these high up officials lack "authorization"...

i would assume that the meetings goin on currently ALSO lack authorization hence their "secrecy"

 

[zezt]

The secret meeting... what happened? It's a secret. Because it's a secret doesn't mean they want to control the world, and they don't. They want people to act the same, and they want people to buy the same. This is NOT a conspiracy. This IS capitalism. Realize this!!!!

old Chinese saying, ‘You cannot wake up a man who is pretending to sleep.’

 

[IJesusChrist]

HAH!

 

[EndlessEntity]

yea this is capitalism thats correct and with capitalism you get conspiracy and scandal. because our economy is based on incentive and competition we can never Truly work together in capitalism.