weird salvia experience. Will it stop?

[mikeisapro]

Hey well I thought I would try some salvia so I bought some x5. I sat on my couch, took a big hit (left flame in direct contact with salvia whole time....HOT smoke DX) and left it in for 20-30 seconds. Before I even exhaled I felt very....weird. I felt like I was being pulled (along with everything else) to the right, to a spot like behind me and to the right. Then I layed down and closed my eyes and delved into a new reality. Here I was a....something..It was like grass and carpet at the same time. At this point, I did not know I was on salvia, and accepted this reality without even questioning it/knowing there was a world besides this. Well me/the sections of fuzzy stuff kept falling on top of each other. It was like flipping pages in a book, and I accepted this and was not scared. I could feel myself (one of the big pages of fuzziness) being pushed down by a page on top of it, and being crushed, and then I felt that I was the next page, and getting crushed by the NEXT page. It never ended. These "pages" all went to the right and behind me. After this went on for a while, I started disliking the feeling very much. I tried to stop the pages from turning, but it was useless. I panicked. After a while, I woke up, and everything was just like a nice weed buzz. I was extremely happy that I came out of the trip, and was thinking "that is what hell would be like". Then I ran in circles outside and laughed.

Well I decided to try it again today, but keep my eyes open. Guess what? Same thing, except this time, I was in "this world" and I was aware that I had smoked salvia, and this was caused by salvia. Even so, I felt that this reality-folding world was the real world, and the world that didnt fold was a delusion. This disturbed me. The world didnt smoothly "pull" to the right, it goes in chunks. Like individual lines being folded and falling to the right. If I stick out my hand and look at it, I see and feel it folding to the right, and then everything resets and does it again. Well, after this trip, I tried AGAIN about an hour ago, and same thing. The fucking folding. Will it ever stop this? I thought salvia was supposed to be different every time?

Btw, the first time I experienced this, I heard/was saying the words "ev-ry-thing-is-so-pee-con-tay" with each syllable syncing up with each fold/turning of a page. Ever since then I call the folding of reality "peecontay" and just thinking about the word scares the hell out of me, and it also gives me a sense of dejavu, like Ive heard/used the word before.(before even my first trip) Fuckin creepy.

 

[restin]

What was the time difference between the trips?

 

[mikeisapro]

2 days ago was the first. Today at like 1 am was the second. The third was like 11 am, an hour and a half or so ago.

 

[st.bot.32]

i have had similar trips from salvia repeatedly. it is possible to get common/similar effects between trips. for me it is often seeing rotating objects. sounds like you are doing it in the same setting every time as well. try varying it.. put on some soft music. or take a break

i had several trips in a row where i became some kind of weird creature being pulled around as if my body was on rails. this always happened in the exact same setting and room though

i've honestly found after i had done salvia enough times that i really only get 3 or 4 kinds of trips out of it. 1. body on rails 2. rolling/rotating sphere 3. becoming an entity/my surroundings 4. feeling in touch with entities

but it seems to affect everyone quite differently. so little is known about this plant.. it really is a fascinating enigma

 

[restin]

second that, take a break and change the set. 3 trips in 3 days is too much I guess.

 

[st.bot.32]

the weird thing i find about salvia is it's reverse tolerance. the more often you do it the more potent it becomes. even stranger, possibly related to the inverse tolerance is that for me to get anything out of salvia, it is almost like i have to enter a relationship with it and actively pursue its effects over a period of time. just occasional use doesn't do anything for me

which is why i just can't seem to get anything out of it these days. i bought some 40x recently after a year break.. as i haven't been able to get weed or anything for almost two months now (ARGH!!) and took hit after hit and the most i got out of it was a bit of weird warbling on the floor and bizarre sensations all over my body..

oh to the OP, i also hear strange, bizarre chanting voices repeating mulched up real words and imaginary words whenever i take salvia in silence. well back when i used to do salvia more frequently

 

[Synith]

I get the folding thing too with closed visuals. As if objects are merged and folding into and out of each other. 5x isn't very strong (if it's pure extract that is-- purple sticky won't give you the amount you paid for.) I just took some 10x pure extract and it was intense. I remembered bits of my childhood (Christmas and other holiday events)-- I've noticed that Saliva (at least the x's I've taken thus far) works better with your eyes closed. Something to do with the like between the subconscious and eye.

I'd try taking a larger extract if I were you. Even with 5-10x, you won't get a mind blowing experience right away. Salvia becomes stronger the more you use it. (Over a period of time. Don't abuse it and use it every day of your life.)
It's to be treated with respect.

 

[kron420]

i stopped experimenting with salvia because i felt like the exact same thing happened every time i started tripping. it was like i had figured out what salvia does to me, and i just totally freaked out and it felt like my heart started racing.

i used to like occasionally fooling around with salvia-reality, but ever since then im almost afraid to take another hit of salvia. maybe i would try the oral tincture method, though -- but its not like they sell fresh leaves anywhere.

 

[mikeisapro]

Salvia becomes stronger the more you use it.

I dont know how many times it takes, but this was my fourth time about 2 hours ago, and wow. It was definately a "breakthrough" I was thrown into a trip even with my eyes open....compeltely out of it. But it was exactly the same as its been, except I was part of it/all of it and I felt very strongly that "This is life, there is no life but this." and "everything is sopeecontay" It was a horrible feelingm, becasue I felt as if there was indeed a life besides this, but It felt like I had just discovered that "normal" life is all a lie. This went on for what seemed like forever, and I felt as if it would never end, that it was infact "life". Then I saw a HUGE hand in front of me, and I gripped it. Eventually I came back to reality and found my friend holding my hand, she said I was gripping REALLY hard. She also said while I was holding her hand, I was asking "IS THIS LIFE???? IS THIS LIFE??" frantically. I was happy to see that there was normal life. Anyways the whole point is, it was the same thing again, just magnified. I don't think I can do salvia if I get this same trip over and over :C Maybe I should try it in like 2 weeks....

 

[st.bot.32]

definitely take a break. there's a reason a lot of people give up on salvia quickly.. some people get a lot out of it but most people i have met don't do it more than a few times, very occasionally. "everything is sopeecontay", that is so salvia to me. after a while i got to say i started finding that kind of effect increasingly hilarious, rather than frightening. then i started exploring it for example listening to music and seeing what would happen to the music..

if you have lots of leaves, maybe try the quid method instead of smoking it, if you can. it is far easier on the body and mind, closer in effect to classic psychedelics (still different).

i find salvia to be personally... quite haphazard compared to the classic psychedelics. i would never use it for serious soul-seeking, and would always take it with a grain of salt personally (i take any trip with a grain of salt, but sally quadruply so!). For example, when you get a thought like "This is life, there is no life but this." on Salvia, for me anyway it is random--there is no explanation.. "this is life"--it usually is just a feeling/emotion accompanied by that thought, not even something you can put into concrete words or explain. and it is typically accompanied by the sliced up engrish.

On mushrooms or acid, if a thought occurs to you, you can relax, still have the lucidity (and time) to stop to think about it, analyze where the thought is coming from, in the process possibly discover that the thought is actually bogus, and still get insight into yourself in discovering which part of your psyche the thought came from. or it turns out that you actually have stumbled upon some eureka moment. either way you will be able to connect the dots, explain why you are feeling what you are feeling and it will usually make some kind of sense.

on all my salvia trips i never, ever received even one useful insight. the best feeling i ever got from salvia was the general feeling that i was not alone in the universe. aside from that salvia to me is sensory play--neat special effects--and i usually get a really nice afterglow from it (i feel great for a day or 2 after a good salvia experience).

 

[Synith]

Salvia's very odd like that. I sometimes wonder if you create the world you see on the Salvia trip, or if the chemical brings your mind and soul into that place. I personally think it's a bit of both. I believe memory and subconscious plays a part in that it creates the world-- and Salvia does indeed take you to an alternate reality.

I have yet to whittle this idea down into a solid conclusion. All I can say is Salvia is one of the wonders of the world. It is indeed mysterious.

 

[st.bot.32]

Salvia's very odd like that. I sometimes wonder if you create the world you see on the Salvia trip, or if the chemical brings your mind and soul into that place. I personally thing it's a bit of both. I believe memory and subconscious plays a part in that it creates the world

yeah i totally agree... that's part of why i find myself still drawn to it now and then, even though i don't find it the most pleasant experience.. it's really quite interesting.

 

[Synith]

Salvia's very odd like that. I sometimes wonder if you create the world you see on the Salvia trip, or if the chemical brings your mind and soul into that place. I personally thing it's a bit of both. I believe memory and subconscious plays a part in that it creates the world

yeah i totally agree. that's part of why i find myself still drawn to it now and then, even though i don't find it the most pleasant experience.. it's really quite interesting.

Yes indeed. It does make you think 'What is reality?' for all I know, I could be on some other herb trip in the future and I'm here living, or remembering/hallucinating the past. It's mind-blowing to search into the depths of yourself. Hence why any natural herb which has an effect on the human mind should not be taken with a grain of salt; it should be taken with the utmost respect and at the same time--- some humor.

 

[Gem_E]

i used to like occasionally fooling around with salvia-reality, but ever since then im almost afraid to take another hit of salvia. maybe i would try the oral tincture method, though -- but its not like they sell fresh leaves anywhere.

Dried salvia leaves, with 195 proof grain alcohol as the solvent, can yield some great tincture - no fresh leaves required. Tincture is easy to make. Recipies are posted on the web, including erowid. One word of caution - some of the recipies advocate using a microwave to reduce the tincture. This might turn your microwave into a vapor bomb due to the fumes, especially when making larger batches of tincture. Better to use a waterbath on a stove top on *low* heat, and watch it constantly. Better yet, simply pour the batch of tincture into a bowl on a table, and let it sit until enough alcohol has evaporated that the tincture is at the desired consistency. A small fan will speed up the process, and the batch of tinc should be ready to use in an hour or so.

I use small amounts of honey, say ~1 teaspoon, to dilute a dose of tinc. Honey greatly reduces the burn, it clings to the mucousa for better absorption of S-A from the tinc, and it makes the tinc taste better. I warm the honey first (this thins the honey for a few minutes) then mix the honey and tinc together in a shot glass. Let the mixture sit in the shot glass for a few minutes until the honey thickens back up, then get into a comfortable position, and bottoms up from the shot glass into the mouth. I let the honey/tincture coat as much of my mouth and tongue as possible, then tilt my head back a bit and let the tinc flow to the back of the mouth. Then I allow it to flow over the highly absorptive pharyngeal region behind the tongue, and swallow the tinc bit by tiny bit to prevent saliva build-up.

I usually start feeling the effects within about 3 to 5 minutes, however I'm unusually sensitive to salvia.

 

[Adder]

I felt as if there was indeed a life besides this, but It felt like I had just discovered that "normal" life is all a lie.

That's been exactly the experience I've had every time I've done Salvia. Like this life is a faded scene and I'm half in it and half in another life that is real alive and bright.