[TR] My first "heroic" dose!

[Psychoid]

At 23 :30 I drank my tea, and then went in my bed to meditate. After 30 minutes of coming up, the effect started to get really intense, and I wasn’t able to meditate anymore, so I just stayed in my bed in a comfortable position, waiting to peak, as I thought once I would be done coming up it would be easier to meditate. I had those strange sensations I talked about in another thread:

http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... 30&lang=fr

But this time it was stronger, but I’m getting used to it so it wasn’t really a big problem. But as the effects got more intense, I started to feel bad. I hadn’t eaten very much that day, and was already feeling hungry when I took my tea. I thought I wouldn’t feel the hunger while on shrooms, but I was wrong. But I had thought about the possibility so I had a dish of radishes and an apple in my bedroom, just in case.
So when the hunger got unbearable, I decided to eat some radishes. After eating 3-4, my stomach started to protest, so I walked towards the bathrooms, just in case. Right when I crossed the bathroom’s door, I vomited. Fortunately, I didn’t wake up my parents. It was the first time I vomited because of shrooms, I usually have no problem with them. In my opinion, it’s more because I abused with the lemon juice (extracted the juice from 5 lemons).
After vomiting I felt a little bit better, but still I didn’t feel good. Only an hour had passed then, I had not peaked yet. The effect got even more intense, and then I got stuck in negative thoughts loops, and was feeling pretty bad in general. After a while, I thought something like 4 hours must had passed. I was wrong: it was only an hours and a half after I drank the tea.
I then started badtripping for real. I waited what seemed to me like 2 hours, but when I looked at my clock, only 2 minutes had passed. Then I felt a bit of panic coming, and I couldn’t bear staying in my room doing nothing.
I decided to go take a walk outside, as it always helps me clear my mind, and also then time can’t play tricks on me. So I took my MP3, put on some jeans and shoes, and went outside. I then saw how going outside in this state is not a good idea: I was so out of my mind that I could have crossed a street without noticing. But I didn’t care, anything was better that staying at home.
After 20 minutes of walking, I had this feeling I always have when coming out of a badtrip. Then I remember thinking “I’ve had enough of hell, now it’s time for PARADISE!!!!

 

[Carebear]

Though the experience itself diddent seem like a pleasent one, you have subconsciously learned allot.



"I suspect the mushrooms I took were laced with LSD, as after 8 hours I was still unable to sleep and having visuals, and usually after 5 hours there I have no more visuals. But it could be because of the dosage. What do you think?"

Laced with LSD? ... i think it was the lemon juice

 

[Psychoid]

i think it was the lemon juice

It was anything but that, trust me

 

[druglessdouglas]

good TR

the mushrooms were laced with more mushrooms

 

[Psychoid]

the mushrooms were laced with more mushrooms

Lol

So it is normal to still have visuals and not be able to sleep after 8 hours with higher doses?

 

[HeartCore]

removed the troll food

 

[mushhed8055]

yes its these level 5 expirences that i find u get a sence of life and you gain respect for life and living in general. how you think its soo horrible and you feel more scared and stuck in some locked hell that wont end and its this that i find when its all said and done. youve had your "bad trip" and now the next day or whenever you start gaining a sence of normalsy you feel like you can take on anything. you feel like life is a realy crazy thing but as bad as it gets and as bad as you "think" you are when its over and your feeling better you get a sence of euphoria out of learning from life. its kinda cool. one more thing. i think you overdid it also with the extra lemons which may have over did it with 8 lemons and no food in your stomach but mushrooms and vitamin C in your stomach. yes there is vitamin C in lemons and this can cause weird body flashes that triger a sorta bad trip. this happened to both me and my friend after taking mush with lemon juice and a lot of orange juice. Its funny you asked yourself if it was laced with pcp as myself and my friend both kept questioning this but i then put into perspective how a person would be wasting a hell of a lot of money and time to lace mushrooms with pcp... very similar if you ask me in the sence of our mind process and the thoughts we had during this trip. oh and another similar thing here to take into consideration that you took mushrooms withing feet of your own parents and just a hint of negativity can turn a trip upside down. next time just wait out thoes extra days you need to get a a perfect setting to trip in. like when your parents are indeffinatly gone and you have the house to yourself and all your worries at all in your mind.

 

[Elfinn]

this is true!

Parents have ((evil)) spirits watching their children
even when they sleep.
so away from the watchtower
life is very good and may be experienced in a wholesome way.

set and setting has been crucial for my own psychonautism
and Terence Mckenna has been and still is a guru for me.

He say: Take them at night alone,in a dark secluded room

and just listen to what the mushroom has to say.

its like going out into a dark and vast sea
in a small fishing boat,alone
and then a wave hits the side
and down you go
waiting in the deep is a giant jellyfish
with information concerning the future
of the spirits that you will be carrying back
into the profaned world
for the sake of well being
in your family.

(Also a friend told me that ascorbic acid (vitamin C)
reduces psychoactivity,hampering a full dmt flash
if overdone.)

 

[druglessdouglas]

no putdown here, its just that it didnt sound like a level 5 trip to me. maybe 3 at a push. if thats level 5 then there are 10 levels. again im not trying to take anything away from the validity of the experience but you can go MUCH further.

try 50g of dried mushrooms and youll be getting closer to "level 5"

ive taken 100g of dried mushrooms, etc etc

 

[Psychoid]

Fortunately, I didn’t wake up my parents.

Are you suggesting you took a heroic dose in the house of your parents without them knowing you did?

Yeah... not the smartest thing to do, but now they know about my psychedelic use, although they still disapprove it. The reason why I wouldn't have woke them up is mainly because I wouldn't have wanted to disturb them and make them worried, as they still see psychedelic use as dangerous.

And anyway I had planned to stay in my bed meditating the whole trip.

And in a certain way, I felt safe at home cause I knew if things turned out bad my parents would have helped me. I wasn't even scared of them discovering what I did. In fact the day after I told it to my mother.

no putdown here, its just that it didnt sound like a level 5 trip to me. maybe 3 at a push.

You're right.

ive taken 100g of dried mushrooms, etc etc

You serious? oO How do you manage to ingest such a huge amount? Don't you get nausea and vomit? And how's the experience?

 

[GOD]

I agree with Drugless . But thats a bit high unless you are very experienced . And i would say that that amount should not be taken all at once but over an evening . A lot of BIG doses get confusing . Next time take 10 gramms on an empty stomach and see the difference .

 

[druglessdouglas]

work your way up. your body just thinks its been poisoned at first but soon gets used to it. ive never been sick due to mushrooms.
i wouldnt advise a much bigger dose while your parents are about as they will assume you are psychotic if you bump into them going to the toilet, or whatever
it does get to the point where talking becomes very difficult. maybe if they go on holliday, or a good friend has a house for the night. the thing is the unplesant physical sensations dont become very much worse. in fact at high doses they are less noticable because your mind is too busy to pay your body much atention. mind and body separate to some degree
its worth the effort though, and the cash if you buy the mushrooms, even if you only do a large dose once in your life.
if your stomach is irritated ginger usually helps, dried is ok, fresh is better but candied/crystalised, or ginger in syrop is the most enjoyable. you can get it from chinese food shops.

 

[Psychoid]

Next time take 10 gramms on an empty stomach and see the difference .

All at once? And how do you manage to do not feel hungry when you take it on an empty stomach? Because it's pretty much the hunger that made me feel bad throughout the trip. Would it be a good idea to eat a big meal like 4-5 hours before eating the mushrooms? Also I was wondering if there are some foods I should avoid the day I trip?

 

[Rymmen]

I tried my first ´heroic´ dose a few days ago too. I felt like I was in a Dali painting. Setting was out in the Austrian forrest, during the day.

The trip was too easy, and I didnt really learn that much. I was in an excellent mood the whole way through, despite being half paranoid about getting lost in the forrest or eating poisonous berries... but I trust Misery a lot now =)

I want a higher dose.

 

[GOD]

All at once .I used to eat a meal 4 hours before and then only drink a few cups of herb teas . There is nothing that a person has to avoid for health reasons , but i would avoid hard to digest foods like meat and fat . If a person cant not eat for a whole day what does that say about him ???? ( Twas ment nicely ) .

 

[Psychoid]

If a person cant not eat for a whole day what does that say about him ???? ( Twas ment nicely ) .

What does it say? That he's not on speed?
It's normal to feel hungry when you don't eat for a day when you are used to eat 3 meals a day... isn't it?

 

[ararat]

The trip was too easy, and I didnt really learn that much. I was in an excellent mood the whole way through, despite being half paranoid about getting lost in the forrest or eating poisonous berries... but I trust Misery a lot now =)

hehe, nice to hear. if I hadn't known, I wouldn't have noticed that you were tripping.

 

[tryptonaut]

It sounds like a pretty normal higher-dosed trip to me. The part where everything is going to shits, you feel like you're losing it, then the positive feeling comes (but you don't want to be out in the nowhere, you'll need to stay in a cozy place!!!)

I never fast for a whole day before I take shrooms, because I feel the same as you - I can't be all starving before the trip because it makes me feel bad. I need something to eat every few hours, otherwise I'm getting tired and depressed. Just try to eat less and light food before you trip - if the dose is high enough, it doesn't matter if your stomach was totally empty. Oh, and don't use that much lemon juice. One or two lemons are enough, I think. Nowadays I only use some little lemon juice (if at all), it doesn't do that much to the overall strength of the trip, it just makes it come faster.

 

[????????]

It's normal to feel hungry when you don't eat for a day when you are used to eat 3 meals a day... isn't it?

yes but thrust me, our bodies don't NEED to eat 3 times a day. Our bodies are actually well prepared to go without food for a while. I once read in wikipedia (don't remember what article, sorry) the stages the body goes trhough when no longer recieving food and there are all sorts of preventive mechanisms ready to act. It's amazing. But what I want to say it's this:

there's physical hunger, the feeling that the stomach is sending signals to the brain that it requires energy and it's been a while since the last meal. But the stomach can be spoiled and as I've said you can go safely without food for a while.

there's psychological hunger, or appetite, and this is just the desire to eat and taste food.

In my opinion you can learn to control these stuff. I feel these both things can get mixed and so people eat without being hungry and complain about food when they are fairly satisfied. Maybe if you try fasting without tripping for a while you can get a hang of it for future experiences but anyway you don't need to do it at all, as it's been said a lot in these boards just not eating for 5 or so hours is enough. And of course you actually don't have to abstain completely, you can just eat lightly.

 

[BrainEater]

It sounds like a pretty normal higher-dosed trip to me. The part where everything is going to shits, you feel like you're losing it, then the positive feeling comes (but you don't want to be out in the nowhere, you'll need to stay in a cozy place!!!)

I never fast for a whole day before I take shrooms, because I feel the same as you - I can't be all starving before the trip because it makes me feel bad. I need something to eat every few hours, otherwise I'm getting tired and depressed. Just try to eat less and light food before you trip - if the dose is high enough, it doesn't matter if your stomach was totally empty. Oh, and don't use that much lemon juice. One or two lemons are enough, I think. Nowadays I only use some little lemon juice (if at all), it doesn't do that much to the overall strength of the trip, it just makes it come faster.

i think it is strange that you get depressed when not eating. because normally the only thing you would get is hunger, obviously...

but it is indeed normal that it makes you tired, because obviously without having eaten, the body sometimes has a lack of energy, hence the tiredness.


so you can't blame the "not having eaten" for the depression, obviously.


peace :weedman: