Tolerance game

[Psychoid]

Hello everyone!

I have noticed something I have never heard of or read about. In my life I have been confronted to three addictions: cannabis, caffeine, and tobacco.

Being addicted to something means taking it quite often (daily in all three cases for me). As we all know, when you take a substance too often, you develop a tolerance to it and need more to get the same effect.

I did develop a tolerance to each of the drugs I mentionned above. Today I am not addicted anymore to cannabis and tobacco. That means I lost the tolerance I had. But then something strange occurred. It looks like my tolerance didn't go back to normal, as I expected.

After about a month without smoking any tobacco, a single puff off a cigarette made me feel a big rush of energy, and my heart started to pump faster and stronger. Then after five minutes, I had the down. Tobacco downs have always been hard for me (the main reason that made me quit), bit this time it was awful, and lasted for a good 20 minutes.

The same happens with cannabis. When I started smoking I had a pretty low tolerance. With 0.5g of normal quality pot I could get HIGH for 3 times. But now if I don't smoke at all for 2 weeks I can get higher than I would have thought possible with cannabis with the same amount. Like my tolerance is lower than before. And I don't think 2 weeks are enough to COMPLETELY lose your tolerance. That means I could get a pretty intense effect if I quit for 2 or 3 months.

And with coffee, I'm addicted to it again, but this summer I had completely stopped taking it. Result: A cup of coffee was as intense (but much more enjoyable) as 2 speed pills when I started drinking it again.

What do you think?

 

[BrainEater]

well maybe it's just your subjective experience
no joke :mrgreen: hehe ... i guess it has somethin to do with yor habits?? i mean physical and mental routines or programs which are being run once a specific thing happens probably related to the intake of drugs...

peace

 

[????????]

Well I can say that maybe after going through an addiction were your body was receiving generous amounts of the substances, you know, you have made your body like it a lot, and then when you taste it again and is like a rush to the body to do it again after all that time so it is extra powerful. Our habits, man.

 

[Rymmen]

Tolerance is the suck, and has been one of the main things that keeps me from smoking weed on a regular basis.

I do what you do now, about every two weeks. It makes it so that you can stay higher for a longer period of time, giving you the opportunity, if you don't mind toking up for an entire hour, to reach the upper reaches of smoked THC. =)

EDIT: Also, perhaps your awareness of sensation has just been continually increasing to a point where you notice intensities you didn't notice before? I know that even sober, I feel a little tripped out because I notice all these little trippy things in life that most seem not to.

 

[gammagoblin]

Yea I also experienced this, this effect is pretty motivating for me to stop my MJ use for a period once in a while. I found this article, it sheds a little light on the issue regarding the cannabis. Guess the mechanism is about the same with the other substances.

 

[st.bot.32]

Terrence McKenna styles. My favorite way also.

THC may not be considered a true "psychedelic" (tho I would have trouble describing some of my THC experiences as anything else).. but if you do psychedelics daily they lose their effect and profundity almost immediately, and I feel it is the same with THC. Anytime I use it more than 2 or 3 days in a row I can feel that psychedelic edge vanishing and it irritates me enough that I put the pot away for a good week each time.

Besides, I really like dreaming, and un-aided CEV as well.

Less IS more.

 

[silv]

Terrence McKenna styles. My favorite way also.

THC may not be considered a true "psychedelic" (tho I would have trouble describing some of my THC experiences as anything else).. but if you do psychedelics daily they lose their effect and profundity almost immediately, and I feel it is the same with THC. Anytime I use it more than 2 or 3 days in a row I can feel that psychedelic edge vanishing and it irritates me enough that I put the pot away for a good week each time.

Besides, I really like dreaming, and un-aided CEV as well.

Less IS more.

I'd call anyone miscategorizing THC to be a non psychedelic crazy!

@OP
It sounds to me you're opening up more to the effects of the drugs you mentioned. Listen to what the effects say, cannabis is inviting you to dive in and see where it can take you. Tobacco is telling you otherwise if you'd ask me.

 

[????????]

I found this article, it sheds a little light on the issue regarding the cannabis.

That article is very good, it says nicely and with facts the truth about our beloved plant and annihilates a lot of the lies and misinformation :thumbsup:

 

[user_1919]

^^ I second that.

 

[Dantediv86]

I SIGN IT!! =D

 

[Psychoid]

reach the upper reaches of smoked THC. =)

Well I have a problem with this. When I haven't smoked for a long time if I smoke too much I get extreme tachycardia, yesterday I thought I was having a heart attack, my hands were blueish and my heart was pumping irregularly and it hurt. I was going to call the ambulance when I thought about the fact that I had been in that state for more than 30 min, so it couldn't be a heart attack cause I wouldn't be still conscious and able to walk and get up and down the stairs. Also it wasn't the first time this occured, and I did survive every other time. If everytime it was a heart attack, then I have survived at least 15. But thinking about it I think the problem is not that I smoked too much but maybe too fast. Yesterday I took the puff of my life. After inhaling it and keeping it in for 5 seconds, I felt the most intense coming up of my life, no other drug ever came up so intensely, I thought I was going to lose consciousness. My eyes would'nt focus correctly, so I was seeing two images, I felt like there was a tornado in my brain, and my heart started to pump very fast and strong (It was a mix of weed and hashish taken from a glass pipe)

 

[????????]

Well, the article says that cannabis tolerance allows one to get high without the "stoned" feeling, and that this tolerance balances after smoking regularly, so one can get high without the movement impairment and general unwanted stoney side effects. I guess you overcharged your cannabinoid receptors and they couldn't keep up with a sudden super rush of THC after a long abstinence period... so I guess that although smoking sparsely is good, going to extremes is bad because your body is not going to be able to cope, specially after intense sessions.

Don't you all like how the article describes the cannabinoid receptors? It's like a more evolved system the brain has to deal with mind altering substances. This is obvious when comparing to the way opiates are dealt with. If the cannabinoids are indeed more evolved, with their method of achieving an equilibrium where more intake of the substance won't make you more high (I find this really interesting, I guess this is why one can't OD on THC), maybe the system for handling LSD is even more advanced? I say this because the LSD tolerance is even more pronounced, and taking more of the substance has no effect over short time periods. It's like our brain knows better than us

edit: Also, I'm thinking of how ridiculous is to have a substance prohibited to us when there are receptors in our bodies that specifically exist to regulate the intake of said substance. I don't know much about this... are there receptors for everything in us? I guess not but if you know let me know.

 

[tryptonaut]

Tolerance is a weird thing sometimes - I mean I am totally tolerant to tobacco, I smoke between 15-20 cigarettes a day (still unfortunely...) but every few mornings or so, when I smoke my first cigarette like two hours after I got up, it totally fucks me up like it was the first cigarette of my life. It's not the same every morning, only sometimes. Also when I had too much to drink the night before I usually don't smoke till the afternoon because it really fucks me up and makes me depressed.

I also think I became more sensitive to cannabis the more psychedelics I took. I mean I also became more sensitive to cannabis because I used too much cannabis (sounds weird, but it really made me stop smoking daily). Today I smoke a bit of weed, lie down in bed and go on a psychedelic rollercoaster ride. This ride can be in some way more intense than 5g of dried shrooms (well not totally more intense, but as I said in some way - can't explain it really...)

And by the way the heart-racing thing... a friend of mine once suffered a psychosis from shrooms and weed (experienced smoker, first time shrooms, only one gram hawaiian!). One of the worst side effects of his psychosis was that he felt his heart racing like he was going to die from a heart attack soon. He even experienced that from a cup of coffee and a cigarette after half a year - his doctor said after a few tests it was all purely psychological, nothing to worry about his heart...

 

[Psychoid]

Well my hands were a little blue, I guess that can't be psychological only, it probably means I was lacking oxygen... (which would be strange, since I had to concentrate to slow down my breath cause I was hyper-ventilating)

But what I'm wondering is... is it possible to have a heart attack because of cannabis? And also, is it possible to have an allergy to it?

I also think I became more sensitive to cannabis the more psychedelics I took. I mean I also became more sensitive to cannabis because I used too much cannabis (sounds weird, but it really made me stop smoking daily). Today I smoke a bit of weed, lie down in bed and go on a psychedelic rollercoaster ride. This ride can be in some way more intense than 5g of dried shrooms (well not totally more intense, but as I said in some way - can't explain it really...)

I know exactly what you mean, it's the same for me. If I'd stop smoking for 2 months and then smoke some very good quality weed, I'd probably have an ego-death lol.

 

[tryptonaut]

Well my hands were a little blue, I guess that can't be psychological only, it probably means I was lacking oxygen...

I sometimes got some lack of oxygen from smoking weed when I smoked too much (usually when I didn't have weed for a few days and then smoked as much as I was used to). I knew it was lack of oxygen because I became sick, my face was pale and I was sweating cold sweat - I could then reverse the effects relatively easy by lying down with my feet up.

 

[Dantediv86]

it's low blood pressure that's what it is
of course you get a lack of oxygen in the tissues. because it's the pressure that delivers the oxygen through the veins.

but i noticed that this happens to me only when i mix it

it don't happen if i smoke pure

oh and it is definetely possible that people can be allergic to Cannabis, anyone could be allergic to any substance...