Thinker Who even bothered...

[gtchemen]

Im just an average guy with many acquaintances and minimal friends if i happen to leave this earth today who would show up to my funeral? Have you ever thought about that? am i important enough for anyone to even come? will my absence in life even impact others minimally?

 

[trick]

I used to think about these things alot.

Seeing how a death of a friend so vastly effected everything around me and others, shows me how much of an effect it would have on people. I also have many friends/aquatences, and i think that i have had a fairly large impact on influencing the people around me. I try to live life like its my last day, so that leads me to behave a bit diffrently than most, wich in turn usualy draws people towards me. I just moved to england from my hometown in florida, and leaving everything ive ever known has been a bit like experiencing death from some points of view. Ive been talking to everyone ive left behind, and they are telling me how diffrent things are without me. and i find it quite humbeling that people think im THAT decent of a person that without me their daily life is effected.


And im not the only one in this position, everyone knows someone, and they have had SOME effect on the people around them. even if you are an antisocal old hag, you would still leave SOMEONE behind that would miss you. In turn your abscence has just as much of an effect on people as actually being there does.

 

[ophiuchus]

will my absence in life even impact others minimally?

i believe so. in fact, i believe that even the most subtle things that we do/have done (even the mundane things that we dont even notice) impact the our environment greatly. we all have so many encounters on a day to day basis, it would be extremely hard, if not impossible to NOT affect the world in some way. some things may take alot of time and many people to ripple through before there's anything to show for it, but even a sincere smile to a random stranger can snowball through many people and eventually cause something great to happen, for instance a mans mood has been changed by your glance, who in turn speaks with a close colleague later and decides "hes in a good mood today" and takes the extra time to explain something to the other guy, whos is inspired by their talk and it radically changes his paradigm of life, or he decides to make something great for alot of people, or he simply carries that positivity on to other people. not that this happens every time you smile at someone, that would be foolish. strangely enough though, i have noticed how everything does love to echo...

the same thing goes for negativity i believe, and that is mostly why i was so hard on you before. i dont mean to come down on people and insult them for making jokes, but i just cant stress enough the importance of being careful of what is said collectively as humans, not even just on/about this forum. it's very hard for me too, but i try to only put out only the best version of me, or the best version of my thoughts so that i can have the luxury of resting assured, that i did my best(i tend to be very direct too..) sounds corny, but if you follow the paper trail it makes sense.

i know that was probably not the response you were looking for necessarily, but our talk the other day made me think about it. so in lieu of all of this i also want to apologize if i seemed like i was flaming, or calling you out, or whatever, it's just that this place is my place to touch/and be touched by this world in a very specific and powerful way, and so naturally im very overprotective of it. hope we can all continue to be mature, honest, and direct here, because i'll continue to do so, even should there be a time when my honesty is not valued.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Personally, yes. I like your presence atleast on the forums, because you made people show emotion. Not always the best thing, but if we're all in a circle-jerk cosmic orgy we may get lost.

Secondly, this is an immature thought, it simply means you have not seen your effect on others yet, as adrian said - one smile can change a person's day. If you take the initiative to just say hi to one person, you may have made them forget about a negative thought they would have had, or maybe you reminded them of a positive one. "Hi" and smiling are a way to show people they are in an environment where they are safe, and welcomed.

Thirdly, If you understand chaos theory (which is basically the scientific view of what adrian said) you will realize everything effects everything. You are the center of a cosmic insanity of chaos, you effect everything, and everything effects you - you decide whether you sweep and paint positively or negatively on this plane of earth.

Don't worry about 'what if I was gone' - you will never see your importance that way. :wink:

 

[gtchemen]

You were flaming on me? which posts? synthetics?

i disregard alot, if i dont like what i hear i just stop reading.

i mean your negativity will not change my course ( my mind was made up seconds into the thought) of life but your reasonings can persuade me to a new course.

well your ripple effect is very true! i have noticed it but my mentality is a me me me deal very selfcentered like everyone else
So my thinking is would my impact on others change mine directly even tho i would be gone and it wouldnt matter and
that would have been the flaw.

also just wanted to hear yalls ideas

this was what i was thinking. Many men come and go but only a hand full of men leave legacies.
it probably wouldnt matter if i stoped beathing bc right now im just a nobody but if i had a recognizable title my absence would be part of yesturdays headlines.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Those men of legacies are the men who stood on the shoulders of nobodys.

You can make your legacy, so what the hell are you talking about? Do you think it just happens to people?

Coincidence may be the case, genetics may be an even bigger case, but in the end, you have the ability, it is up to you.

Maybe you should learn to share yourself, rather than promoting your 'me me me' attitude as if it is O.K.

 

[ophiuchus]

if you can see that you're self centered and ignorant, then why don't you fucking stop gtchemen.

edit: im dating girl right now who does the same thing, but i dont know how much longer i can see her though because of this procrastination. unwillingness to change. i just dont fucking get it.

 

[trick]

Ive always thought of this place as a place of SELFreflection, not a place to make judging statements about others. Let him be the way he is. everyone has their personality traits.. even if YOU dont like them.

 

[ophiuchus]

Ive always thought of this place as a place of SELFreflection, not a place to make judging statements about others. Let him be the way he is. everyone has their personality traits.. even if YOU dont like them.

you are right. i come here to learn. i shouldn't let this bother me, but i think it might have something to do with the fact that im personally undergoing a similar scenario with a girl/friend, that makes me a little more emotional, if you notice, im usually not like this. perhaps taking a little frustration out on him when he's not the cause of it...

i do apologize if i step on toes, as it's in the best interest of whoever it's directed at. although, it's not that i would consider myself judging anyone, at least i dont think that i am. all i am doing is making observations (an attempt to help him to realize), so if i can't do that, then why am i an observer? you know? you, trick, of all people understand the power of sarcasm, as well as being blunt. personally, i think that being blunt is more valuable to the one observing. it's raw data. even if the other person can't quite come to terms with/integrate it all at once, (which is probably where sarcasm becomes a little more handy).

the only reason i said anything in the first place is to try and answer the question, and when someone tried(sucessfully NOW i might add) to derail the thread, i had to say something, especially because the statement was directed towards me... if you decide later that you don''t really want the answer to a question, then too fucking bad, time only works one way.

i try to make sure that my statements are emotionally unbiased, and i know that these recent ones aren't as pure as the others, but there's something that must be remembered, in understanding criticism. it does you absolutely NOTHING, if you take it personally(emotionally).

once again, sorry if you dont like it, but, i am compelled, obligated even, to give people the facts, the only way i know how. i am a facilitator. i will help you to get where you want to be, if you are willing to go there. but i will remember specifically to not help anyone who doesnt want it anymore

im done talking about this, it's already been waaay overanalyzed. it's not that important.

 

[gtchemen]

Wait...
I think i wasnt expressing my self right i wasn't using the right words
The Me me me deal was just stating that i viewed everything from my prospective not that life is all about me.
But then again i do have the tendency to make a judgment and lock on, unless someone give me a damn good reason that can persuade me. why you ask? im educated ( technically or so they say) and i have the tendency to think my way is the best way and it is about 70% of the time. the other 30% i lack the knowledge, morals, experience to clearly make the best choices.

Oh and i welcome all statements
Nothing wrong with a little discussion at the end we can all agree to disagree huh huh huh? ya...

Thanks to all

 

[trick]

adrianhaffner that was a very respectable post. NOW were making progress .

But yes, i think its in our best interest to move on with the thread. im just glad it diddnt explode into something stupid.
Ill have to shoot GOD an email, :lol:

 

[BrainEater]

increase your sense of self-worth if you are 30% of the time lacking some kind of effectivity to the process of doing what you like to/need to, but of course firstly you must make out the process of finding what/how that is more effective, obviously.

so kick yourself in the ass! tell yourself you are the one... the one to save the "missing in action 30% of you"! the one to remind you that you are too precious, to throw yourself in the dust or to stick your head in the ground. forget the negative thought loop-spirals that you have gathered in the back of your mind. burn them up to recognize the precious thought or emotional patterns that have been attempted to be buried under a cloud.
let it rain and don't let your sense of self-deception deceive you over the beauty that unfolds with the water dropping down from the skies, which carry the veils of forgetting...

why is it that you perceive yourself to be so unworthy in the eyes of others. why is it that you transfer this sense of unworthiness to the bottom of your own pool of thoughts and into the vessel of your consciousness???

finding answers starts with asking questions. reaping truth starts with sowing truth.

good luck mate!!


peace out :weedman: