The Perfect System

[Brugmansia]

What's the perfect system and what does it require to get there?

 

[Demahdi]

An open direct democracy with referenda.
After a secularism of course or we might trade our cultural values to an inferior one.

And we are not done. Not at all. Wait in 1 a 2 year and you have met the true me.

 

[zezt]

What's the perfect system and what does it require to get there?

There is no such thing as perfect is first thing I would like to say. In fact the ideal of perfection has caused SO much evil in history. It is typical patriarchal thinking which conceptualizes and abstracts reality into two columns where on one side they put a category of what they think is inferior and on the other, superior. So for example take light and darkness, they will put darkness in the bad category and light in the good, and this hides the actual reality that what we call light and dark is not two separate 'things' but is a dynamic whole OF light and dark, and you cannot have one without the other

Same then is so with 'perfect' 'imperfect', or 'pure' and 'impure', life and death etc etc etc

So it is a fools errand to wish for a perfect system. BUT this does mean we cannot have a far more intelligent, loving, and sustainable, system than we have now

Last night I eat 10 little magic mushrooms and watched a documentary about the 1999 WTO protests in Seattle! It was very powerful to experience. The police looked so evil, all in their total armour with cloaks on horseback, and stood all looking like robots, black, utterly dehumanized, and you cannot see their faces, sometimes haunted looking dead eyes. Leaning forward and dripping toxic chemicals into the eyes of peaceful protesters sat on the ground screaming in terror and pain

It made me DEEPLY realize that we ARE slaves and that we are in solidarity with all the other slaves in the different countries who suffer from this global oppression in various degrees and levels

The bottom line is that a vastly wealthy elite and its corporations hiring these judge-dread thug military police to poison and maim and kill us if we dare try and stand up to their oppression and for the oppression of others

On top of that, or underlying it is the corporate propaganda and the occult and magick which forms a continuum from their advertizing to keep us as mindless consumer robots onto their false flags including their BIGGIE, 9/11. It is all about:

DIVIDE AND CONTROL

That is their bread and butter, because they fear community and solidarity--all the slaves getting together and waking up and realizing that we do not have to live like this

So see that I am just laying it out here, because this is vitally important, to express how you see things and become aware. because a big part of their mind control is trying to keep us unaware, or unconscious OF our servitude and the whole state of what is going on

This divice and control tactic goes very deep and is ancient. For example in the more religion and state times --in christianity, you were made to think you were born in sin and that nature was fallen. So in effect that belief was trying to divide you from your essence, and your interconnection with others and the natural world by making you paranoid. ALSO the Gnostic myth which influenced christianity, and which the ancient greek philosophers pushed was that we were fallen spirits trapped in physical bodies, and nature, and that that state was inferior and we needed to become 'pure' and seek release

Now in this time of science&state the myth is that you are a bio-electro-chemical robot without consiousness/free will and your only purpose is to produce and consume, and that the environment is dead/insentient. So can you see how this divide and control is maintained by the ruling class via changes of paradigms? So there is a BIG CLUE!
They fear us being aware of our deeper selves, and connection with each other, including other species, and the whole natural world. They want to divide us from all that, and replace it with their virtual world they want us to be totally dependent on

One subject I have found to be VERY taboo, even with members of the psychedelic community--leaders and followers--is when trying to explore the elites occultism and how they use sorcery on us. I have been met with silence. EVEN when I may preface it with telling them this I am still usually ignored, and this intrigues me

So let me summarize it:
If you were asked which have been the predominant beliefs, ideas in hostory--you will get:
organized religions;

Communism;

Capitalism, which includes corporatism, scientific materialism, all founded on a mechanistic philosophy

HOWEVER not may people will include occultism!

This is no surprise because the very term 'occult' means 'hidden', and groups that practice it want to keep it only for an initiated group, and thus they feel they have the superiority over those on the 'outside' who don't know if it.

From what I have learned especially since 9/11, the ones who control the financial systems, and control our governments--the global elite, are very MUCH into occultism, and the evidence is all over the place if you know how to look and is also their fingerprints all over events like '9/11', the Madrid Bombings, the London Bombings, the Boston Bombings, etc etc

So think on this:---how much would it suit these 'hidden' people for us think of ourselves as 2 dimensional robots without any depths, and separated spiritually from our surroundings?

Whilst they can then manipulate your ignore-ance by using magick on you. For after all that is what advertizing is doing--it uses subliminal tricks to influence you to do things you otherwise might not do, like buy stuff you don't need, and so on. They use numbers, symbolism, wordplay, predictive programming, psy ops, and so on.
We are sitting duck unless we wake up

I do not believe in a 'perfect system' but one vastly more intelligent and loving and aware than this one we are all oppressed under, globally, and to get there we need to start becoming aware and openly talk about all of this and anything else you choose to bring to the table

 

[zezt]

Just before I watched this recent video which is going into things. it is telling me about so-called 'Jade Helm'---heard of it. It apparently is some very big military 'drill' in the US that has many people worried it could be used for more nefarious purposes. And video shows a pattern of how when 'drills' are happened they seem to happen at exact time real events happen!!

When you talk to some people about the deeper occult mind control that is being done to us, they often will respond saying eg 'oh, the more you look the more you find' which they mean that it is your own imagination which is finding these patterns and relations, IE they claim that you are delusional. MAYBE this is what the silent ones in the psychedelic community (the ones who do not seem to wanna talk at all about this) think---maybe they believe that, or do not want others to think they are like that.

but wait! What is psychedelic experience? Of course you cannot ask this question to people who dare not respond. But I am asking it here. For me psychedelic experience is when the psyche opens up and I see things in deeper ways with more associations. So for example, I can see wordplay, and it can be VERY funny and have you giggling when you see connections between things. because is it not true that even physics says in the deeper subatomic realms everything is interconnected? But yet many of them fear bringing the whole subject of consciousness into their research.

So you feel reality is interconnected. But as said --the culture tries to divide and control us even from our consciousness! It wants to keep us feeling like atomized entities cut off from deeper awareness and feelings, and connection with others and the land

This is a revealing description of 'magick' by an occultist:

What Is Magick
Magick does bring you power, yes, but it is power
over yourself, not other people. It is the power that is important, to grow
and to create positive change.


Some people ask why magick is spelt with a 'k' on the end. This is to
distinguish it from magic, associated in the popular mind with illusionism
and prestidigitation, stage magic. Magick is not about illusion, it is about
creating real change, and the 'k' signifies this. K is the eleventh letter
of the alphabet, i.e. the one beyond ten. Symbolically this is very
powerful, as we work in base ten, and eleven represents the unseen, or
hidden energies - the subtle energies of magick, eleven is considered to be
the number of magick.

Magickal training and experience bring forth the energies of the
unconscious, and so it is no surprise to see that symbols become more
important as you develop, providing not only the language of dream and the
unconscious, but also helping create a more flexible perception grid of the
universe. To grow spiritually, it is vital that you remain flexible and do
not become dogmatic, rather that you are open to experience and willing to
question your ideas and beliefs as a result of those experiences.

Magick can be a painful process. It is not easy to maintain the discipline
and honest self-critical approach all the time. It can also be hard work
dealing with the energy released without being knocked off balance
sometimes. The important thing in these cases is to remain honest and keep
at it. Nobody said magick was easy! It takes a lot of practice and hard work
and pain, but the rewards are spiritual and mental growth, the joy of life
and the beauty of unconditional love. Beyond the limits there are no limits!

First off and very importantly. I am not saying that to understand the sorcery being down on us one must oneself do magick. In fact I would very much discourage it, because obviously it leads to insane ego trips--as is evidenced by what is going on in this world
Notice him say how it brings power 'over oneself'? Well that is the precursor to wanting power over others. Crowley had his devotees cut their arms up with razor blades to acquire 'self-discipline' and 'will'---that is the epitome of ego--mania

But notice that through this is being described deeper subtle energies that can be harnessed, and remember how this culture drills a mechanistic philosophy on the populace which denies there being subtle energies. Which means these crazies who DO gain access to them use them in nefarious ways against us who are unaware of the deeper realms of reality. That is a crucial thing to consider!

This kind of magick derives from a solar-phallic mythology which is patriarchal, dualistic, and militaristic, and fascist. 99.9999 % of the usually male researchers into this are either Christians or new agers and so themselves are ironically coming from a dualistic perspective stemming from the patriarchy, hence they cannot see deep into what is actually going on

Anyway here is the video I mentioned above:

[YOUTUBE]QGD_fSUhMYU[/YOUTUBE]

 

[Demahdi]

Imagine left a positive charge and right a negative charge. They push eachother away and in the center there is a sphere wonderfully originating and growing in size as left and right compete. Isn’t this left right competition creating a great centerfield? And as these forces of left and right move further away from eachother, the more it creates in the center. So in short, isn’t this dualism after all creating a great trinity of existing?
But what you have placed on your left may be on my right.

 

[Finarfin]

First of all i would like to point out that there is no such thing as a perfect system. A perfect system is a absolute. If you know star wars you may know that only a sith deals in absolutes.
Let,s not be sith and let,s be jedi, drop the term a perfect system and let,s think about a more perfect system or a more or less perfect system (naunce)
I would like to say something about one aspect of the system and this aspect is income. In a more perfect system people,s basic needs are provided by the system (goverment, state)
I would like to see what a system may look like that gives people a basic income and provide people with basic needs and care.
So this idea is: everybody get,s the same unconditional basic income (without questions asked, without having to work or do something for it)

This basic income may not be much, but people will Always be free to work and to make more money.
Basic income - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


i know this is not a worked out system but i think this idea is very intressting to me.

 

[Brugmansia]

Wait in 1 a 2 year and you have met the true me.

And that would be? I'd love to hear a desired description of that me.

 

[Finarfin]

Imagine left a positive charge and right a negative charge. They push eachother away and in the center there is a sphere wonderfully originating and growing in size as left and right compete. Isn’t this left right competition creating a great centerfield? And as these forces of left and right move further away from eachother, the more it creates in the center. So in short, isn’t this dualism after all creating a great trinity of existing?
But what you have placed on your left may be on my right.

What is Left and right?
The political term left and right originaly stood for (left) liberal and (right) conservative. Nowadays left stands for socialism and right for liberalism but also often for conservativism.
the politician David Nolan is famous for creating the Nolan chart. The Nolan Chart is a chart that tells us the difference between left and right.
And how to define the terms political left and right. If you want to understand the term political left and right this chart explaines a bit more.

It is understandable that the left right dualism is creating a great centre (in a lot of democraties)
A lot of political party,s are trying to fill the space in the political center. These party,s are sometimes characterized as left off center or right of center.
Politics in a way is a reflection of the human psyche. It,s a reflection of the spectrum of human feelings, ideas, emotions and of the human society in general.

If we look at politics as a trinity of existence (i do not know what your meaning of this term is?). But if we look at left right and center. where would you like the power to be?

Personally i would not like to see power in the hands of a dictator or a one party system.
I would not likt to see power centralised in one place and with a small group of people.
I am very much for individual freedom and the decentralisation of power, giving more power to the local levels.
Now parlement makes the laws and plans and the people on the local people have to deal with it.

 

[Demahdi]

Brugmansia, I will make one say the fart smells of delicate parfum. Finarfin, I know dualism is your thing. But let’s put it in context and address it in the simple. Left and right meaning positive and negative. But in the middle there is always a neutral force going on. Negative and positive charges create electricity. Electricity is those two forces competing with eacother. The same goes with life I believe. There is no ultimate right or wrong, but let them compete (or put them together) and something wonderful may come out of it in the middle. So if you ask me where I like the power to be, somewhere in the middle I guess. But that’s relative, you must push it over the top now and then to trigger the other force. Triggering or poking the other force is in fact motivating/stimulating it to react. The trinitiy of existence in that context meaning, positive and negative create a neutral force that is manifesting as a whole. Is electricity bad or good? No it’s both. But itself is a manifest of two forces reaching to a stage of trinity. Man I need to learn proper English lol If we want individual freedom we need to create something NEXT to our system. Within the legitimate ways of course. I’ve been discussing with other people how easily we could grow crops and foods on our roofs, windows, frontdoor, … We need to be more self independent, but we don’t take time to bother or think of creative innovative solutions. Do we need money or do we need food in order to survive? In my country I see a lot of movement in this direction, people are shopping together for discounts, rent out tools so young couples don't need to buy them etc.... How about windmills and solar panels? If I put out €1000 with an entire block we might never have to buy electricity anymore. And about that basic income, we’ve been debating that as well, very hot in fact. But it comes down to this. In Switserland or Sweden (I may mix them up) they voted through referenda for a basic income. People are still dumb enough to vote no! So there they had the chance, and they said no. Cortana voice: I’m not getting it!

 

[Brugmansia]

Brugmansia, I will make one say the fart smells of delicate parfum.

Not literally I bet. Care to elaborate?

 

[Trachel]

Direct democracy through the internet... there's only a small minority of really d-baggy people who want really d-baggy things. Most of us just want happy lives and are content to go through them without hurting others.