The inquisition....

[mysticwarrior]

I believe it was a view years ago, that i started to read some weird conspiracy book, called "Satan's Song". The story about this book is not so important, but what's more important, is that i stumbled on some information about Gnostic Catharisme. It's an subject you won't find everyday, but i found the believe system of these cathars really interesting. But because Catharism is destroyed by the inquisition, i also became more and more aware of some sort of holocaust, what was caused by the Roman church. I was shocked by the fact, that the Roman Church, which still have much power these days, had literally killed millions of innocent people. The gas chambers of Hitler, are still an peacefull way of dying compared to the methods of the inquisition.

But on some way or the other, in my country people really don't know that the church have done the same thing in the past, like Hitler did 60 years ago. But the sickest thing is, that these Roman Church still has a lot of power and people still praise a believe that killed millions of people for 6 century's long.

How is it possible that mankind can forget such a terrible time in history? Of course the Roman church is behind this. But still.... The last two years i went on vacation in Southern France, where the Cathars preached there believe and found there death because they refused to compromise with the Roman Church. This was a really interesting experience, i went to different castles that where standing on high mountains. The Cathars hided them self`s in these castles for the inquisitors that where hunting them down. Lucky enough, there are people over there, who try to uncover these important peace of history and are trying the world to tell what happened over there.

When i visited some of these castles, i also found one castle that was named Montsegur. It seemed that the last remaining Cathars had hided them selfs for a while in this castle. Ones they where surounded and there was no way to go, they surrended them self's. They could choose to believe in the god of the Roman church and live, or if they refused, they would by killed by fire. And guess what, al the cathars that where hiding in the castle(200) had chosen for the fire.

I could not believe this, when i did read about it. They must have know something or had a experience that was so convincing, that made them choose for such a terrible death. Now a days, i believe, that maybe they eated mushrooms or some other psychedelic sacrement which i believe it also could be the basis of there believe system. I don't have any evidence for this, but it is something my intuition says to me. Maybe it is all bollocks but.... it maybe could be?

 

[Forkbender]

It might, but it might not.

Psychedelics are not the only way to go where you are one with everything. Maybe your intuition is clouded by habit? Or maybe not and you are right. Anyway, there are more ways that lead to Rome. :wink:

It is an inspiring story, though. Holocausts start when people just 'do what they have to do', when they surrender to the machinelike features of society out of fear of being punished/judged/watched. People are so insecure that they isolate themselves from others, pushing them away into the oblivion of a private world. Instead of breaking through barriers, we like to stay inside and make the walls against the 'other' bigger and bigger and even start to attack them. Results: war, violence, rape, prosecution, abuse, intollerance. It resulst in the breakdown of society, in the return of the mack.

Why can't we just let love rule? Don't blame others for our own misery, but choose our own happiness in every moment. Heal the world.

 

[GOD]

An interesting post . Can you say more about the belief system the catharer had and why the catholics tried to wipe them out . ( It didnt wipe them out ) .

Hitler was a catholic and the pope of the time , who had made anti semitic statements , knew about the holocaust and did nothing .

 

[MelloTrip]

GOD, I think Wikipedia answers more or less to your questions :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#General_beliefs
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catharism#Suppression

 

[GOD]

Thanks . I know what catharers believed in . I wanted to know the way Mystic sees it and maybe hear about his thoughts on the catharers and mushrooms and on why the catholics tried to wipe them out .

 

[mysticwarrior]

An interesting post . Can you say more about the belief system the catharer had and why the catholics tried to wipe them out . ( It didnt wipe them out ) .

Well i can't give a simple answer on these question, i think you need to read a view books, to understand catharism in some logical way. In my viewpoint, catharism is based on many ancient beliefs and thought systems. The Cathar's believed in many ways the opposite of what the roman church did believe. Which is from it self already an interesting thing to think about and probably one of the main reason's why the Roman Church wanted to wipe them out. The cathars also refused to pay some sort of tax to the church, so this would be another reason. If i take a look at history, my interpretation is that the Roman Church and even many other beliefs where trying to prefend that people would get involved with many spiritual thoughts. I mean, it where not only cathars who have been killed. Even moslims, jews etc, where sentenced to death. I asked my self why would the Roman church prefend people to become in some way involved with spiritual thoughts? Why did the roman church destroyed almost all the evidence that where left?

And another question i asked my self, why where the Cathars so strong in there beliefs, that they even choose for death when they had to choice to stay alive? I can imagine, that spirituality can be important for my self, but if a church wanting to kill me, because of that and if i had to chose for there religiion. I would have done that. Not that i would start to believe the stupid belief that the roman church has, but at least i acted as if i did that. The cathars did not, they just chose to let them self's burn to death on the fire WITHOUT RESISTENCE. God man, you need to get be so sure of your thoughts or believe to be able to do this.

I've read a book "The Religion of the Cathars - the origin and initiation" by J.Blom. Which was an interesting book to read, in the first part it goes mainly about the history of the cathars, but at the end he comes up with some interesting theory's. He says he is sure, that the cathars had to know something special about spirituality. He also relate's Catharism to some of the theory's that quantum physics tells nowadays. So this made me belief that the Cathar's knew in some sort of way how to tap in some spiritual knowledge.

Like fork said, there are more ways to tap in on different states of mind, but i can meditate for houres, i can hit my self a thousand times i can stop eating till i start to hallucinate. I can listen to music etc, but this really would not convince my self so much, to choose for fire instead of living. But if i think about it, mushrooms especially in these time could let me choose for fire instead of living. At the sametime, there are growing some sorts of psilocybine mushrooms in Southern France. And since i also believe that christianity is based on mushrooms or psychedelic sacraments, i am starting to believe that the cathar's could have know this.

I am sorry that my english is so crappy, i would love to explain it in a much more detailed way. But shit happens...

 

[mysticwarrior]

Hitler was a catholic and the pope of the time , who had made anti semitic statements , knew about the holocaust and did nothing .

hehehe, it didn't suprise me

But what i don't understand, is that your saying that he knew about the holocaust, didn't he caused the Holocaust? Is it mis-information that's running trough my head?

 

[GOD]

I`m not saying the pope caused the holocaust . I`m just saying he knew and did nothing .

 

[mysticwarrior]

sorry miscommunication. I didn't read what you said.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

This is exactly what I am talking about in the sun has stopped thread. These people were starseeds, they have become guardians of the holographic paradigm, and their sacrifice was virtuous that is why they weren't afraid of it.

These people like the templars ar one poing held very interesting information about the true genetical history of the true "nobles" which had nothing to do with richness or what we see associated today about it.

With that information the templars have completely blackmailed the roman church out of so many riches. The cathars however held even more profound information and it is what I am attempting to disclose now that we flipped inside out again.

I know, hard to beleive, good, beleifs are dead truths, these people were full of truths, not delusional pagans with silly rituals.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

A carved oak table,
Tells a tale
Of times when kings and queens sipped wine from goblets gold,
And the brave would lead their ladies from out of the room
to arbours cool.

A time of valour, and legends born
A time when honour meant much more to a man than life
And the days knew only strife to tell right from wrong
Through lance and sword.

Why, why can we never be sure till we die
Or have killed for an answer,
Why, why do we suffer each race to believe
That no race has been grander
It seems because through time and space
Though names may change each face retains the mask it wore.

A dusty table
Musty smells
Tarnished silver lies discarded upon the floor
Only feeble light descends through a film of grey
That scars the panes.
Gone the carving,
And those who left their mark,
Gone the kings and queens now only the rats hold sway
And the weak must die according to nature's law
As old as they.

Why, why can we never be sure till we die
Or have killed for an answer,
Why, why do we suffer each race to believe
That no race has been grander
It seems because through time and space
Though names may change each face retains the mask it wore.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

"I hear the directors of Genetic Control have been buying all the properties
that have recently been sold, taking risks oh so bold.
It's said now that people will be shorter in height,
they can fit twice as many in the same building site (they say it's alright)."

 

[mysticwarrior]

not delusional pagans with silly rituals.

I have no doubts about that.