the evil mind

[BrainEater]

yo my fellow psychonauts..

i think the mind is at least one of the roots of all evil... think about it... money, war, ego, etc etc it seems it all is being produced by the human mind relatively exclusively. obviously nowadays it's like everything (or at least our planet) is kind of out of its natural proportion or so... but then again it's also the question what would/should/could be the natural proportion?? :shock:
as i see it the human mind is kind of like a (operating) system + the sum of all its programs and similarly it seems to be working with the same but different kind of principles etc etc.. from my perspective the so called ego would be a function of the mind, however i am not yet sure whether one ego could sort of own/have multiple minds too, or think that it does...
and as you well may know.. thinking does not always equal knowing... :!: 8)
like with many things the quality and quantity of human thought seems to be in mutual relation out of proportion or alignment with its real potential or so.
so maybe analogically to how we as a human species are like a virus for the planet to some degree, maybe like that corrupted human ego and mind has manifested collectively for humanity. it's really like the evilness just tries to spread like a disease/plague or so, but then it also depends on the kind of evilness i guess... :evil: :?: :twisted:
in addition to that many people don't really seem to be aware of what they are doing, but that motive also is abused a lot.
i wonder how much nescience can be evil or evolve to it. combined with ignorance it's a powerful weapon/tool for the
powers of evil for sure.
to me it appears thoughts can be like plants... you reap what you sow that kind of thing. so if a part got corrupted it could be you just got to rip the bad shit out and/or burn it down or it might corrupt the good stuff. :arrow: :idea:
i guess the point is we just don't seem to understand sufficiently enough the concept of cause and effect in the boundless realms of thought. but well we don't understand/know ourselves really, too... hmmmmmm....alright enough for now.. i hope anyone can relate... :lol:


peace!!!

 

[zezt]

Yes, have you seen this video? Chekc it out! Leonard Shlain | The Alphabet Vs The Goddess | Lecture

He talks about the left-brain which sees things in a linear fashion one-at-a-time, like you are reading these words one at a time.
And a right brain which sees and feels events all-at-once, such as when you observe a view in nature, a painting, someones face. Although the information is complex, you see it all at once. We need bopth left and right, but what has happened, especially since the incenption of abstract writing is there happening a pre-dominance of the left-crain over the right. The right sees patterns, connections, how parts relate to the whole. But as we see his history, what the pattern has been, is that these very oppressive mindsets which are left brain dominant, obsessed with linear time, measure, etc have invaded peoples who are more right brain and thus whole mind, and have done terrible evil things. Just look at the Inquisition and the 'witch-hunts, and what was done to native American peoples, and which continues by this culture which is destroying Mother Earth. So this evil continues.
NOTICE. NOTICE how all the way in its history, and which continues, this left-brain-dominant mindset suppresses their 'slaves' /us access to sacred medicine which is the medicine par excellence for healing this left-brain dominance which they have inculcated into many of us via their enforced 'education' system, mass media, and other forms of violence!

 

[darkwolfunseen]

Zezt - An interesting point, actually on both hemispheres.
Aemilius - Awesome photo.

My two cents to this is that I don't think the mind is evil. Like everything else, it starts out neutral. I think it's more so the idea of scarcity, or even more so, the recognition of scarcity. Sartre was right in that the awareness of another person to compete against, to judge oneself against, to deceive is the route of evil. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean-Paul_Sartre#Authenticity_and_Individuality

Again, one person = one mind, one experience alone in nature - completely neutral. There is no bad or good. You just exist.

Two people = difficult to co-exist, but functional, assuming adequate resources.

Millions of people = hard to handle community self-existence. War, famine, misappropriation.

Billions = Giant sways in power, difficulty sustaining life, twisted senses of entitlement.

Lesson learned: The golden rule is difficult to enforce in one lifetime.

 

[Light]

Funny to see how zezt is using the left brain to critique the left brain. Well done!

In reality, the distinction between left and right is far less sharp than a lot of people think. This is shown that in some patients, left brains can take over the functions of right brains and vice versa. I think the distinction is helpful to get a general idea, but in reality there is a lot of communication between the two and therefore an exchange of information.

In buddhism, mind isn't seen as evil, but just something that in general doesn't help you be happy. The goal there is to turn of the reacting part of the mind, without turning of consciousness altogether. This can be achieved, although it is hard work: old habits die slow.

I think you could say that evil is a negative pattern of the mind that results in an action that harms either yourself or others.

 

[BrainEater]

i guess it's all about balance. one person can have many minds or at least personalities, while many persons may together have one mind also...so collective consciousness within the individual is a possibility... you know??? :shock: :lol:

peace

 

[zezt]

Funny to see how zezt is using the left brain to critique the left brain. Well done!

In reality, the distinction between left and right is far less sharp than a lot of people think. This is shown that in some patients, left brains can take over the functions of right brains and vice versa. I think the distinction is helpful to get a general idea, but in reality there is a lot of communication between the two and therefore an exchange of information.

In buddhism, mind isn't seen as evil, but just something that in general doesn't help you be happy. The goal there is to turn of the reacting part of the mind, without turning of consciousness altogether. This can be achieved, although it is hard work: old habits die slow.

I think you could say that evil is a negative pattern of the mind that results in an action that harms either yourself or others.

No it is not sensible to imagine I mean right brain VERSUS left brain, because it is the right brain which sees connections. It is more so that when the left brain become pre-dominant it then suppresses the right brain and thus the seeing of pattern, connections, wholes of experience. You can see this in how left brain cultures have acted upon others and animals and nature.

 

[Light]

I hear all this bs about left brain culture. I think most people only use reason and logic to justify the highly unreasonable choices they make.

 

[zezt]

well for me the BIGGEST clue this culture, nay even civilization, is left-brained is its utterly insane war on entheogens

 

[Light]

why would that be left brain?

Right hemisphere does process emotions, responses to new experiences, etc. If people don't like entheogens coming up in societies where they haven't been used openly for quite some time, where such experiences are feared, they will react with a strong emotion against it. This is right brain doing its job. The left brain then uses language and reason to prohibit them.

This whole myth of left brain dominance is keeping us from the real issue here. People are making the wrong choices because they feel they can't do it any other way. The only way out is integration of their own mind.

 

[zezt]

why would that be left brain?

Right hemisphere does process emotions, responses to new experiences, etc. If people don't like entheogens coming up in societies where they haven't been used openly for quite some time, where such experiences are feared, they will react with a strong emotion against it. This is right brain doing its job. The left brain then uses language and reason to prohibit them.

This whole myth of left brain dominance is keeping us from the real issue here. People are making the wrong choices because they feel they can't do it any other way. The only way out is integration of their own mind.

Jesus Christ (no not you!) you could argue the hind leg off a donkey couldn't you?? by the way, why do you call yourself light?

I have never suggested it is totally cut off left and right brain (did you see the video of Leonard Shalin talking about this? He was a surgeon and knew what he was talking about)--that people inclined to left brain can also feel emotions, yeah--but it will be emotions that suit their left brain pre-dominance. Noone JUSt functions logically like a machine, obviously--though some seem to!
left brain dominance is not a myth. In the 'education' system it is specifically trained in us (checkout John Taylor gatto). Did you ever get told off for daydreaming and 'not paying attention' in school? did you have to do much reading writing and math, and not much dancing, music, drama, art?

have you ever taken psychedelic and tried to read a book? What happened? Ever try and do math, or talk intellectually about 'serious subjects which categorize and analyze' without fallin about like a giggling universe...? if yeah, snap if no, you aint tripped right! If any medicine can resolve rigid left brain-ism even ingrained after years and years of oppression sacred medicine can, and that is why left brain culture doesn't like it and fears it and bans it, because entheogens expose their matrix.

 

[Light]

I don't get it.

First you say scientism is BS and now you refer to a surgeon?

Anyway, I know what you are getting at, and I do think education can be improved a whole lot by a more balanced approach.

I regularly trip with a mathematician friend of mine. He says it helps him improve his understanding of math when he gets back down.

I think it is too easy to say that because left-brainism is exposed by psychedelics, it tries to ban them. For example: I would be surprised to see that fundamentalist christians even possess a left brain, while they are usually very much against entheogens.

 

[zezt]

I differentiate real science including real medical science from scientism. Operating on a real brain disease is real science--diagnosing someone with a biological 'mental illness' is scientism (dont get into that here it is too complex)

I should imagine for the person who really loves mathematics it can be kinda right brain and like poetry...? I have heard that before. For me it was and still is a nightmare

The fundamentalist Chrostian is left brain because his version of history is linear. he has no conception of mythology being then, now, and future. He will argue steadfastly that 'Jesus' a human born at a certain time in the past, was crucified on such a date, and resurrected, and is coming in the future. It is SO one-at-a-time.

 

[Light]

Oh, come on.

What does a christian believe? Is it logical? He may have a linear view of history, but you can't really say those people are left-brainers. The more you try to make them fit in that picture, the more you distort what is really going on.

I agree there's more attention to left brain functions in modern culture, but that doesn't mean that the right brain is dominated by it. Just because there's more consciousness in one part of the brain, doesn't mean that the other is doing its job and following orders from it. As you said, there's still emotions going on and they will surface somehow.

Key trick for spiritual development is to spread consciousness. Not just through the whole brain, but through the whole body and beyond.

 

[zezt]

"He may have a linear view of history, but you can't really say those people are left-brainers. "

You seem to argue for the sake of arguing. Have it your way, but it doesn't make sense what your saying.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Zezt he is making perfect sense...

 

[BrainEater]

i think light got it right... and yeah.. sometimes it's like you even have to argue just for the sake of argueing...
think about it.... it's because some people don't want to argue about things that should be argued... yet of course
that is a matter of a perspective or... at least to a certain extent... :wink:

 

[zezt]

you all must be left brained lol
there is nothin can do
i cant see for you

 

[IJesusChrist]

damn zezt, I'm starting to not know how to talk to people on here. Of all the forums, I would expect to be able to communicate well with psychonaut.com
perhaps it is me.

 

[zezt]

damn zezt, I'm starting to not know how to talk to people on here. Of all the forums, I would expect to be able to communicate well with psychonaut.com
perhaps it is me.

you mean you want me to agree with you?
Light said: ""He may have a linear view of history, but you can't really say those people are left-brainers. "" that is a contradiction. to have a linear view of history IS left brain. so what he said makes no sense to me lol
to NOT have a linear view of history is to have a cyclical view of time which is right brain

 

[Light]

You have to back up such a claim. Furthermore you need to show why it is that one aspect of the left-brain approach is an indication for the domination of that hemisphere over the other.

All I'm saying is that people use both sides of their brain, even if they are only conscious of one part of it.

Why don't you make a drawing or sing a song, because using language and logic (left-brain!) doesn't help you convince me that your view is entirely correct, maybe you need a little more right-brain in your approach.