The "chills"

[pyschonauticks]

I just put on a song that really reminded me of old times and how fucking happy I was and I sort of got that goosebump/chills effect.
I tried to google "the chills" but only got some lame ass band.
Scientifically, what IS the chills???

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

if it's a long sustained chill that is not extreme usually is elevation of serotonin and gaba with oxycontin and a slow dopamine enhancement, in the case with meditation.

when it is the intense chill of addiction I would say serotonin is too low glutamate and histamine are too active and dopamine+oxycontin flooding comes in short but intense bursts and eventually runs out or burns out.

thats not official rethoric however, just to be clear :

Histamine = sensitivity
serotonin = buffer joy
gaba = letting go and fluid grace
oxycontin = openness and orgasmic bliss
dopamine = pleasure
glutamate = exitator

This is only in the moment however, there is much more hormones involved in situation and receptivity such as acetylcholine which is a kind of plasticity arbitrator.

 

[HeartCore]

if it's a long sustained chill that is not extreme usually is elevation of serotonin and gaba with oxycontin and a slow dopamine enhancement, in the case with meditation.

when it is the intense chill of addiction I would say serotonin is too low glutamate and histamine are too active and dopamine+oxycontin flooding comes in short but intense bursts and eventually runs out or burns out.

thats not official rethoric however, just to be clear :

Histamine = sensitivity
serotonin = buffer joy
gaba = letting go and fluid grace
oxycontin = openness and orgasmic bliss
dopamine = pleasure
glutamate = exitator

This is only in the moment however, there is much more hormones involved in situation and receptivity such as acetylcholine which is a kind of plasticity arbitrator.

That may or may not be interesting but has nothing to do with goosebumps.

Goosebumps and the chilly feeling are caused by hairs trying to stand up literally. It can be induced by a number of things, a chill, good music, intense moments/memories etc..

It's linked to the sympathetic nervous system which is generally responsible for fight/flight responses.

 

[Meduzz]

^ +1

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I just put on a song that really reminded me of old times and how fucking happy I was and I sort of got that goosebump/chills effect.
I tried to google "the chills" but only got some lame ass band.
Scientifically, what IS the chills???

In Hinduism goosebumps are one of the symptoms of aesthetic or transcendental ecstasy. Other symptoms are choking of the voice, profuse running of tears, and rolling on the floor.

I had the goosebump experience when I first heard 'Bright Eyes' in the Watership Dawn film. When I was a monk singing devotional songs and chanting mantras, and trying to maintain an extremely humble mindset, the goosebumps became a more or less daily occurrence. It was so "pleasurable" that when I lost interest in the religion philosophically, I really missed the ecstasy. The chills I had experienced as a monk were definitely more pleasing to me than the sensation of orgasm.

A couple of years later (i.e. after my crisis of faith) I started discovering and rediscovering lots of interesting things, and these revelations would again make my hair stand on end. Most frequently they occur when I'm walking outside, stoned, and listening to good music or a lecture on my headphones. Since my life is much more stressful nowadays, the chills occur less frequently, but still more or less on a weekly basis. If I close my eyes, smile and think of certain inspiring things, I can even force them a bit. I hardly ever do this however, as it is a bit artificial.

 

[IJesusChrist]

When you're talking about the chills from music...

Just take it as it is, don't try to understand that.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

lol... and you think the sympathetic nervous response is mediated by what hormones ?

Anyways, all I wanted to underline is there is 2 distinct type of chills, one for the better, the other for the worse.

 

[FlyingDutchman]

Couldn't hormones have something to do with the chills caused by music and other beautiful things? Like beautiful experiences affect our hormone levels which in turn can cause goosebumps and other effects?

 

[Illegalsmile]

I had the goosebump experience when I first heard 'Bright Eyes'

same with me
and when ever i experience something wonderful
that includes if i think of something wonderful too
i like to make music videos in my head to all my favorite songs

i dont know where it comes from but i like it
i think its our natural appreciation of beauty

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Couldn't hormones have something to do with the chills caused by music and other beautiful things? Like beautiful experiences affect our hormone levels which in turn can cause goosebumps and other effects?

Or perhaps certain hormone levels attract good music and other beautiful things?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Indeed it all seems to have redundant effects in the psyche, affecting what you crave and how you imagine things. Especially the powerful hormones like dopamine which mediates the fight or flight response by converting to adrenaline under certain circumstances the chinese medicine men would call "boiling blood". Which is why masturbation is not so good for someone who already has a hot metabolism, while it could be beneficial to someone stagnating in his own waters... well never in excess of course, but you get the drift.

There is also epigenetics affecting deeply how you handle those hormones, if a certain marker is on you might produce lots of MAO-I and thus be more akin to get into the melatonin-serotonin strong buffer type of chills which we call bliss, which is very good. But if you get a traumatic event ; say you meet a woman which dosen't let you go for 3-4 hours in bed, then your whole self-balancing work will be ruined in such a short session and it might take months to reswitch the epigenetic marker back to its original setting, simply because your body will have lost "trust" in you so to speak. You body will instead produce a dopamine conversion hormone to "keep you going" since its got very weak willpower compared to your mind ; and that is also mediated by hormones.

So it's all pretty complex !

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

You mentioned meditation as one source of bliss. Why is that humility, gratitude and appreciation also tend to evoke or accompany these positive hormonal surges?

 

[lenie]

i used to have 'the chills' when i listened to some epic music or movie scene like in the lord of the rings or the godfather :lol:

somehow, i havn't got that feelings for years

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Thats because engaging with a movie, your emotional body (which is a frequency bandwidith of your energetic electromagnetic bubble) engages cymatically with the movie frequency sets and tonality. As we slowly as a people get disillusioned as to the legitimacy of spending so much money on a movie, we also get disillusioned about the content of it and the associated emotional responses.

Not that I think its wrong to try to inspire people, sometimes, but the frequency of multi-million movies alltogether participates to us feeling "used". I also ask myself questions if I reach this feeling through a movie, sometimes even to be sure I will watch an extreemly bad movie and realise how bent on exitement they all are, very shallow in a way compared to what could have been if the producer had not been "molded comercially". If you haven't seen the "watchmen" yet, then perhaps seeing this movie would clear up some things, but I don't really recommend it because it is very graphically violent ; but I admit that after seeing it I tought to myself : "they allowed that to actually pass on the screens, and not only that, it's freakin 13 years old ONLY, I would have put this movie 18+ with a severe warning"

Heart coherence, no matter what the source of the emotion, be it meditation or strong feeling of love and appreciation will create harmonic mineral cascades in the body which will trigger hormonal centers, the most powerful of which is endorphin ; if your body is not in an addicted hormonal frame then you will enjoy bliss as a continuous stream, without mixing the response with orgasm (when it seems to be better than orgasm its because glutamate-dopamine-adrenalin are involved) the bliss I am talking about is a slightly warm feeling in the spine and a cool feeling in the head.

Thats because your heart reaches a beat about every .8 seconds, which is fractal to earth base frequency of 8 hertz, the alignement will cause each blood pump to swirl with mineral ion exchange, which physically makes the bones resonate, especially all the vertebrae which each have 3 peculiar unique sounds. The frequency at which this happens is much higher than audible or visible sounds, but it will then act as an imprint on the mind because those harmonics are what creates soul and drives a human to ascend. In the shape of the heart cavity is created a kind of resonance chamber which is soul, a swirl of mineral electrolytes which auto-generate frequencies and act as a guiding force.

That is why after such experiences, sitting in the theater and being swayed by another person's emotions seems futile and ridiculous at best, of course this does not mean it can be beneficial to train to listen to others in moderation. I think the ultimate goal is to be able to listen without having to squelch the soul, finding a just balance in order to protect its capacity to spring forth.

 

[GOD]

To be imune to the effects of or detecting electomagnetic waves one / a human body would have to live in a faraday cage and one wouldnt be able to use a computer

Maybe one should think about computers and that they work on / emit / cause more electo magnetic waves on more frequencys than most off the electro magnetic waves that are asociated with a whole house and its contents . The only way to expose a human body to more and more dangerous electro magnetic waves in a house would be to put ones head in a micro wave and turn it on .

Panic thoughts about themes like that are on the same level as people talking about their personal crystal / crystal power , that they bought , emits or stores energy that helps them while forgeting that a very large portion of the whole fucking planet is made of crystals .

 

[GOD]

I`m not realy sure of what your claiming about brain transmiters but their often quoted relationship to thoughts , emotions and states of mind are at the best mostly theory . For example ignorant people talk about drugs working / each drugs specific effects being caused because of the emision / effects of some of those brain tansmitters . That cant posibly be true or one would be able to artificialy provoke drug effects by causeing the emission of specific amounts of those brain transmitters and one cant .

Another thing . Heart beat ranges can be very different in a person from time to time and situation to situation . For example mine when tested over the last ten years was between 38 and 45 times a minute wich would mean that any fantasised effects that people try to project and claim about the earths base frequency and effects on people is crud .

Sorry if that was worded / explained badly If someone can explain it better please do .

Without meaning to be ofensive or hurt you you have often said and the things you say show that you have personal and social problems . Is that why you talk about so many esoteric personal theorys or are they the reason for those problems ?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

Indeed they are part of the reason for such problems, because without necessarly talking directly about them it's been my experience that people would rather be hurt badly than to actually remember a realisation with so much magnitude... so in a way it is after seeing what I did not even take seriously and was a theory being so repulsive in so many creative ways (sometimes it wasn't even related but it sure was when I think about it) that I finally accepted that it had to be one truth in my experience.

The same happened with living grains, as I verified scientifically, living grains are the best food for humans, period ; nothing even comes close. And the funny thing is I can talk about it over and over with people who call themselves vegans or living food munchers, and they forget it (exept very few who actually stick with it for more than a week) many times. Not only they forget to try it and continue eating their fully sprouted grains and then wonder why they're so thin and "high" like on speed. I explain it to them and the next time I explain it they don't even recall having the conversation with me ; this happened to me at least a dozen times with people who are supposed to have a head on their shoulders. Regardless I am not asking people to beleive it as true, just to know such a thing is possible, then go on in life and corroborate with their own experience and see if the same applies to them.

It is actually possible to affect some brain transmitters on a very predictable basis... porn is a good example, the simple sight of it releases adrenalin in the bloodstream almost instantly, but erotica might not, depending on what is your intention and mental state. But raw brutal porn has always this very predictable effect which has been measured. Some electrical frequencies piggybacked on a square wave can fool the brain into thinking you have pain and the subsequent release of endorphins will numb your body even if it receives no damage. (were talking .1 amps of power here, very low current)

Very heavy exercise has been measured to release endorphins but also adrenalin (when you really abuse your body)... there are tons of endocrine journals detailing all these processes and they seem quite clear. Somethings that escape science however is how for example MDMA can create empathy ; they know it makes you joyful because you release all your serotonin, and you're depressed the next day because not only your synapses are inflamed, but you have no more joy buffer to maintain a healthy dopamine-acetylcholine system (pleasure of being alive).

I mentioned the heartbeat of .8 seconds... according to you you been much much lower and that is very good and also works, I explained myself badly because I meant that .8 second and slower leaves enough room for your body to connect to that base frequency, the heart pumps and breaks, and while it is pausing, the connection to the earth will magnetise your minerals and cause them to complexify so to speak, this combined with a healthy hormonal system creates long attention span required for meditation or listening to intricate music for example, which you would not appreciate at all in an addictive endocrynology (you would not even hear all the notes)...

My toughtform is never of panic, I even admitted that the effect is very low at this time, but as more and more people connect with an eventual holographic consensus, the more it will be "badly viewed" not to have a biology which can shield itself from being ENTRAINED by those frequencies (which is made possible by such redirection of the blood flow to the surface of the skin and in the guts, simply said to keep cool blood). So you see I'm not talking of an extreme tought form... rather a very important point of view for the precession of the ages...

 

[LsDxMdma]

lol i think you guys meant oxytocin(sp?) not oxycontin

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

hehe yeap... I always make that error, the latter being a very strong opiate :lol:

Maybe my body is craving an opiate experience heh I'm pretty amped up right now, the strongest I had was a big codeine pill, which only made me nauseous and gave me a headache, very little euphoria or pleasure and absolutely no chills.

I'm that high mainly because I drove at least 12 hours yerterday with about 10000 bees as passengers, which I finally unpacked into hives with all of them being exited to finally get out and bumping in my face and climbing behind my clothes... overall a very stressing but pleasant experience, I have not been stung and weren't wearing any protective equipment, that means I do not exude offensive scents to them, which is very good to know as their sense of smell is 100 times more powerful than a dog

 

[Brugmansia]

Especially the powerful hormones like dopamine which mediates the fight or flight response by converting to adrenaline under certain circumstances the chinese medicine men would call "boiling blood".

Dopamine doesn't necessarily induce flight and fight easier or more instant, or through a casual relationship with adrenaline.

The rate of dopamine turnover, and the firing rate of dopamine nerves, is much higher for me due to Tourette's Syndrome. There are indeed involuntary convulsive muscular movements as an outburst, but structured concentration and severe focus, relaxtion, empathy, endurance, conscious of processes in the hypothalamus are all consequences through all this. There is a significant introvertness as well, and little can satisfy me for a long-lasting time. That's why you'll see me wondering why people keep rushing through many activities or repetition to get themselve content.

The frequence of social interaction is however quite low, but mostly a consequence of the self-awareness which is indeed enhanced through shifted dopamine rate. Yet very laid back and serene with physical susceptibility. I don't agree that dopamine heats the blood. It's all how the mind erects it.

Very heavy exercise has been measured to release endorphins but also adrenalin (when you really abuse your body)... there are tons of endocrine journals detailing all these processes and they seem quite clear.

It's great euphoria, especially if carbohydrate levels are sufficient. Personally I'd advice to build endurance so that one can run 90 minutes at 150 bpm, otherwise adrenalin and endorphins will hardly become audible.

I mentioned the heartbeat of .8 seconds... according to you you been much much lower and that is very good and also works

One pulse every second is even more prosperous for sensitivity. And obtainable for pretty much every healthy individual who wants to take care of his body.