Strains

[pakalolo]

Hi there

I'm new here... and i'm new in cultivation too.

So... i just wanna know which strains are most cultivated by you.

I'm starting my with Psilocybe Cubensis strain Transkei. They are on first flush (indoor), and outdoor on second flush.

And you?


Cheers

 

[GOD]

Most people start with Psilocybe Cubensis , then make their own sporeprints from them and stay with them . Once you have had sucess cultivating them it is not hard to learn to grow other warm loving mushrooms like Panaeolus Cyanescens . Good luck . In a few days i will continue the GOD Tek thread and explain a bit about growing both of those sorts of mushrooms .

 

[Jahvisions]

it depends if you are looking for bigger yields or more easy growing. Cambodian is the fastest and easiest grower for beginners. Transkei is good to because they can handle a cold-shock quite good.

Other ones that are good for beginners are: Mexican, Thai, equadorian
little more care need: ninos santos, colombian

(ALL are Cubensis)

 

[flyingkite]

And what about the Mazatapec and Golden Teacher strains ? Are they interesting for beginners ?

 

[Guest]

My first one's we're golden teachers (still doing them, although not at the moment)

I'm thinking out a new setup, room to grow and innoculate in, heated, with temperture regulation.
I do want to grow Panaeolous Cyanescens!
It's just a bit harder, you need better conditions.

 

[GOD]

I dissagree , please explain the difference in growing Panaeolus Cyanescens and Psilocybe Cubensis ??? Maybe its like psytrance , some people lived through it and other people read about it in books ?

( Sorry and peace , it was just a to good comparison to miss . That was my last comment on psytrance unless you want to start a seperate thread )

 

[HeartCore]

I dissagree , please explain the difference in growing Panaeolus Cyanescens and Psilocybe Cubensis ??? Maybe its like psytrance , some people lived through it and other people read about it in books ?

( Sorry and peace , it was just a to good comparison to miss . That was my last comment on psytrance unless you want to start a seperate thread )

I'm lazy and last thing I heard, you can't grow Cyanescens in jars on rye and vermiculite and since I have no garden,the difference between growing Cyanescens and Cubensis for me is the latter is just impossible

Although after seeing the cool pics you shared a while back, I really would like to have a house with a garden now to get started on that

Love&Peace
HC

 

[Jahvisions]

True the Panaeolus Cyanescens is even more difficult then all Cubensis strains, but within Cubensis strains can have also big differences, like the earlier named cold shock, the kind of substrate where it grows on, the moistness/dampness, temperture, the amount of flushes and the weight of an average flush.

 

[GOD]

Hello Heartcore ,

Love and peace to you . I`ve never tried growing Psilocybe Cyanescens on grain and / or vermiculite to the flowering stage as i have never seen information on them flowering on those things . I have grown Psilocybe Cyaneacens myceieum on grain though and then transfered it to wood , allways with very bad results . Growing things on grains is like an invitation for failure through contamination and is why i always recomend people to forget about growing anything at all on grains . unless they have to . Myceleum for warm loving mushrooms like Psilocybe Cubensis and Panaeolus Cyanescens on rice is the best thing as far as i`m concerned , the only reason to grow anything on grains is because if you use the same substrate to often you start to get stunted , crippled mushrooms . Then you have to do at least the flowering stage once or twice on grains . Panaeolus Cyenescens doesnt grow on wood , it can grow in exactly the same conditions as Psilocybe Cubensis .

I have grown Psilocybe Cyanescens on wood in glasses , and even plant pots to flowering on the balkony outside , with sucsessive harvests over three years untill the goodness in the wood was gone .

Jahvisions ,

I think that you are talking about the difficultys caused by the method you use to grow the mushrooms and not the differences in growing the mushrooms themselves . By cold shock i take it that you mean dipping the myceleum block in cold water or putting it in a fridge for a short time to make a bigger last flush ? I dont do that , i get enough from my flushes that i dont need to , and the containers and method i use make that impossible anyway . I try to keep my mushroom growing as natural as possible , for me mushrooms are no different than people or other animals . I believe that if you give them a natural life that they repay you .

 

[pakalolo]

GOD,

let me see if I understood....

psilocybe cyanescens grow on wood, right?

and panaeolus cyanescens grow in the same method of psilocybe cubensis? ... I mean, inoculate substrate(i use maize) on cups after mix with vermiculite and another organic making casings ?

temperature and humidity are similar of cultivation of cubensis?
21-23c to get first pin and 23-25c to fruit?
and humidity at 90-95% ?

ah, i almost forgot... about Jahvisions said about cold shock... i think it´s becouse the vegetative period of mycelium to fruit. Right?! I did it with my casings and worked well.

sorry about the bomb of questions.... and sorry about my english too.

Thanks advance
cheers

 

[GOD]

Pakalolo ,

I do not grow mushrooms anymore , i have put so much Psilocybe Cyanescens myceleum out doors that i will never have to cultivate again . On the patches that i have i can , if i want , pick 300 to 500 gramms dry weight in two hours . I dont pick any more either , i have given a few patches to a few friends and they pick and if i need something they give it to me .

Yes , Psilocybe Cyanescens grow on wood , but only where it is relatively cold . The myceleum grows best at about 18 - 25c , and they flower best at 10 - 18c , wich is now if you live in central europe . So unless you have a big coolroom or live in the mountains it wont be for you .

I didnt grow Panaeolus Cyanescens or Psilocybe Cubensis on grain , i grew on rice and / or straw . And i didnt check , or realy care about humidity , that regulates itself the way i did it . I grew them at about 22 - 25c in all stages and when they are ready they flower .

Your english is OK and so are the questions .

 

[Guest]

I dissagree , please explain the difference in growing Panaeolus Cyanescens and Psilocybe Cubensis ??? Maybe its like psytrance , some people lived through it and other people read about it in books ?

( Sorry and peace , it was just a to good comparison to miss . That was my last comment on psytrance unless you want to start a seperate thread )

Ohw hell no, I'm not starting that conversation!

I know enough about ps..... aaaaaaah crap, I can't give it a rest!
And now you're insinuating I know jack-shit because of lack of experience...

But, you need much more perfect conditions to grow Panaeolous Cyanescens, right?
Higher temperature for spreading of mycelium and fruiting conditions.

And yes I haven't grown these before, but from what I've read/heard these shrooms are a lot more picky then most "easy to grow" cubensis strains.

If not, please help me out of that illusion, I'll go and grow them right away!


& :idea:


*I think I understand what you mean. The techniques aren't more difficult.
It's just that the ideal conditions are harder to replicate...
Maybe I'm too perfectionistic, but I'd like to do everything as perfect as possible.

 

[pakalolo]

Pakalolo ,

I do not grow mushrooms anymore , i have put so much Psilocybe Cyanescens myceleum out doors that i will never have to cultivate again . On the patches that i have i can , if i want , pick 300 to 500 gramms dry weight in two hours . I dont pick any more either , i have given a few patches to a few friends and they pick and if i need something they give it to me .

Yes , Psilocybe Cyanescens grow on wood , but only where it is relatively cold . The myceleum grows best at about 18 - 25c , and they flower best at 10 - 18c , wich is now if you live in central europe . So unless you have a big coolroom or live in the mountains it wont be for you .

I didnt grow Panaeolus Cyanescens or Psilocybe Cubensis on grain , i grew on rice and / or straw . And i didnt check , or realy care about humidity , that regulates itself the way i did it . I grew them at about 22 - 25c in all stages and when they are ready they flower .

Your english is OK and so are the questions .

300-500 grams?? WOW
That´s a lot magic mushroom

I´m thinking about that... I had a cake of mycelium contaminated and I did a rescue and pachted it on soil (outdoor), and the mother nature did all the work and i have my first flush outdoor, something like 6-7 small mushs (i didn´t know how many in grams).

So... thinking is this way... maybe if I inoculate some cakes (in grain or rice with vermiculite) and make a big casing and after put them at soil, maybe i can have some fruits for long time. (Of course that i´ll be not able to make sporeprint in this method)

I think where I live is more easy to grow cubensis becouse the temperature here, is too high. Something like 28-40c all during year. Hot and humid.

peace & light
see ya

 

[pakalolo]

lol... it seems that psytrance history here is a bit boring for you all too hehe. I´m very sad with the scene nowadays... but this is other history.


Tell me about the power of mushrooms....

Psilocybe Cubensis, Psilocybe Cyanescens and Panaeolus Cyanescens....

Which is more powerful?

I just tried cubensis. But in small doses.... i liked, but i´ll try more doses for sure.

 

[GOD]

I wasnt trying to incinerate anything ??? I read an article in a newspaper and a book once that said nearly exactly what you said about the roots of psytrance , to the word !!! And i thought that you are probably to young to have been around the scene at the time we are talking about , and as i am an old fart i was around at that time . Actualy i think you know more about music , and are honester about your knowledge and music than anyone else i have seen here . I enjoy reading what you say and talking to you . ( Sorry people!!! That doesnt mean its not a pleasure for me with other people , i`m just talking to Space now ) .

As far as i`m concerned they grow in the same conditions , but as i said i think its the methods that i think people here are talking about that cause the problems . The humidity using those methods is the same but the temperature for growing spawn is up to with the Panaeoleus Cyanescens and from with the Psilocybe Cubensis . I mean up to and from the temperature that is recomended to grow spawn at with the method/s that i think that you are all talking about . The harvesting is at the same temperature . As i have said i didnt grow in a fish tank , didnt waft it with a bit of cardboard , didnt use agar-agar , didnt spray at all , didnt bother measuring humidity or trying to provide it and i didnt use grain .

As far as i`m concerned the best allround mushroom growing book is "Das PilzZuchtBuch" by Bert Marco Schuldes and Sam Lanceata . Sam is realy Jochen Gartz . I dont know if you can get it in Dutch or English . But anyway my method is a mixture of several other methods , PF Tek and the ones there , basicaly , but added to , or better said better thought out .

 

[Guest]

I wasnt trying to incinerate anything ??? I read an article in a newspaper and a book once that said nearly exactly what you said about the roots of psytrance , to the word !!! And i thought that you are probably to young to have been around the scene at the time we are talking about , and as i am an old fart i was around at that time.

Aah, I see. Well I hate it when people are too pre-programmed, so maybe I'm too preprogrammed when it comes to my knowledge about psytrance

In the end it doesn't matter, although I sometimes love it when people start a reaction from me and I'm going through so much trouble explaining/proving myself, that I lose track of what is important
I respect your view on psytrance and I know for shure you've been too a lot more parties then I have
It's just that your description of goatrance didn't completely fit in with my idea of/things I learned to know as goatrance (for a part it did )

And yeah love you too, would love to suck your dick bladiebladiebla :ANAL:
(I've been waiting so long to use that smiley )

As far as i`m concerned they grow in the same conditions , but as i said i think its the methods that i think people here are talking about that cause the problems....
... I mean up to and from the temperature that is recomended to grow spawn at with the method/s that i think that you are all talking about.

Yes, that is exactly what I meant. Sorry for the mix up, you were very clear on the subject

As far as i`m concerned the best allround mushroom growing book is "Das PilzZuchtBuch" by Bert Marco Schuldes and Sam Lanceata . Sam is realy Jochen Gartz . I dont know if you can get it in Dutch or English . But anyway my method is a mixture of several other methods , PF Tek and the ones there , basicaly , but added to , or better said better thought out .

Sounds like I'll have to freshen up my knowledge of the German language...
But I'll deffinitely try to find the book in English (or Dutch) or some willing victim that can translate it

I wonder what my mom will think if she would translate it

I am planning on growing Panaeolous Cyanescens in the (hopefully near) future.
But I'm afraid I will need something like a fishtank for the desired conditions.

 

[pakalolo]

Try this book:

http://rapidshare.com/files/46565601/Eb ... ivator.pdf


I didn't finish to read, but looks really interesting.

Oh... thank you for nice chat. Nice to meet you all.

Cheers mates

 

[Guest]

Cheers man

and btw... welcome to the forum

 

[GOD]

pakalolo ,

The 300 to 500 grams was Psilocybe Cyanescens . The idea of nature taking its way and combating the contamination was a good one . You will only get mushrooms as long as the cakes have nutrients in them . Try getting a load of cow shit and inoculating it with cakes and putting more cow shit over it and then casing it with soil . But keep an eye on it that it doesnt dry out . So dont put it in direct sun , if it gets regular dew or a bit of rain now and again it will probably fruit till the shit is gone . Hot and humid sounds very good . And it doesnt matter where you grow it you can make spore prints , just harvest some mushrooms shortly before the cap opens and then cut it open and take spores .

Psilocybe Cyanescens and Psilocybe Cubensis contain Psilocybin . The first one contains more than the second one . Panaeolus Cyanescens contains Psilocin . The Cubensis is the weaker of the three .

The book is a very good one , the writter is one of the best experts on mushroom growing , allthough it is a bit old . If you read it and keep it as a reference book it will help you very much . I have had it since it came out but i am realy pleased to have it as a .Pdf now , thank you very much .

Space ,

Forget the expensive , breakable fish tank , think of other , cheeper solutions ??? Or just wait a few days till i`ve slept a bit and i will write more in the GOD Tek thread . Get the book from pakalolo and read that its a clasic . And i dont think that you would have much dificulty in understanding that book in german .

I think we are playing musical chairs with threads again and i`m getting dizzy and having dificulty keeping up with you both !!!

 

[Jahvisions]

No i didn't mean puting them in the frigde, now i am not sure too anymore but it thought that couldshock means that if the temperture of the environment changes outside the normal growing temperture range it will kill your mushrooms. For what I know Panaeolus is very senstive for little fluctuations in temperture as well changes in degree of moistering and that's why they are so difficult to grow. So i thought that a lot of cubensis do survive little changes in the envirmonment but Panaeolus don't.

Peace and love to everyone