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the sequel (to the original)

Brewmaster a dit:
It is unlikely that early humans would be foraging for mushrooms when they likely had seen others partake of them and become sick or die. I find it completely unbelievable that these primates which were still dragging their knuckles on the ground had the capacity to be able to identify the right kind of mushroom out of hundreds if not thousands of other poisonous mushrooms. I doubt they had field guides before language.

this seemed relevant
from The Archaic Revival by Terence McKenna-

At Gome National Park in Tanzania, primatologists found that one particular species of leaf kept appearing undigested in chimpanzee dung. They found that every few days the chimps would vary from their usual pattern of eating wild fruit. Instead, they would walk for twenty minutes or longer to the site where a species of Aspilia was growing. They would repeatedlyplace their lips over an Aspilia leaf and hold it in their mouths. Chimps were seen to pluck a leaf, place it in their mouths, roll it around for a few moments, then swallow it whole. In this way so many as thirty small leaves might be eaten.
Biochemist Eloy Rodriguez of the University of California, Irvine, isolated the active princile from the Aspilia--a reddish oil now named thiarubrine-A. Working with the same substance, Neil Towers of the University of British Columbia found that this compound can kill common bacteria in concentrations of less than one part per million. Herbarium records studied by Rodriguez and Towers (1985) showed that African peoples used the same leaves to treat wounds and stomachaches. Of the four species of Aspilia native to Africa the indigenous peoples used only three; the same three species were the ones utilized by the chimpanzees.
These findings show clearly the way in which a beneficial plant, once discovered by an animal or a person, can be included in the diet and thus confer an adaptive advantage. The animal or person is no longer threatened by certain factors in the environment, such as diseases that may have previously set constraints on the life span of individuals or perhaps upon the growth of the population as a whole. This type of adaptive advantage is easily understood. Less easy to understand is the way in which plant hallucinogens might have provided similar yet different adaptive advantages. These compounds do not catalyze the immune system into higher states of activity, although this may be a secondary effect. Rather, they catalyze consciousness, that peculiar, self-reflecting ability that has reached its greatest apparent expression in human beings. One can hardly doubt that consciousness, like the ability to resist disease, confers an immense adaptive advantage on any individual who possesses it.
 
to identify the right kind of mushroom out of hundreds if not thousands of other poisonous mushrooms.
Isn't the majority of mushrooms nonpoisonous? When you walk through a forest you always find mushrooms nibbled at by animals. Did human beings abstain from eating berries because some are poisonous?
 
Eat all the grass that you want,
Accidents happen in the dark


I find it completely unbelievable that these primates which were still dragging their knuckles on the ground had the capacity to be able to identify the right kind of mushroom out of hundreds if not thousands of other poisonous mushrooms.

Some monkeys could have started eating a specy of psilocybe mushrooms which didn't look like any other kind, so they easily could recignize them. The mushrooms then entered their diet, which made our consciousness slowly evolve over time. Then "recently" some stopped eating them, which made them go crazy and started doing insane things like creating money, forming governments and became power-hungry bastards.
 
CaduceusMercurius a dit:
Isn't the majority of mushrooms nonpoisonous?

actually, yes
mycology, even at the amateur level, intrinsically consists of finding your own specimens--specimens that can be terrifically difficult to differentiate and identify
as such, precautions regarding toxicity are stressed
poisons are only a (sizable) fraction in the catalogue of all mushrooms, and deadly poisons a fraction of that

any way, disregard every thing previous: BE CAREFUL!
 
We and all the other species on mama earth are only here because since the beginning we distinguished between plants and mushrooms that are edible and poisonous / toxic plants / mushrooms . Its called evolution . Survival of the fitest .
 
Do not underestimate an ape's intelligence, or any animal for that matter.
Because they do not speak, does not make them unconcious, and unintelligent.
Get high, and watch animals... you will see.
 
Yeah animals are as intelligent as us human...

Too bad people don't recognize this :(

The only difference seems to be our consciousness...

But you don't need a very developped consciousness to distinguish edible food from poisonous one.
 
I know idiots that are far more "stupid" then that ape. They were picking Psilocybe semilanceata on their own,and when they thought they were gonna have an amaizng trip it turned out that they were poisonous. Fortunately not so dangerous. Only 2 days of Diarrhea
 
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