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well. mostly out of requirement - he is ALWAYS over, always calling always texting, always being a doosh bag.

He's very vulgar, pussy, vag, vagina, dick, are probably his most used words.
He smokes salvia and DMT almost daily (DMT after I had showed him how to extract it).

We kind of got in a little arguement about DMT and him abusing it. I told him DMT isn't something to just "get high" with. It's not something to take for fun, you need to atleast try to take something from it. He replies with "its just a plant". That really pissed me off. You're just an animal. That really pissed him off.

So, i had gone to his house the other day, and we got to talking. Turns out (well I already knew this) but he is a very very closed minded christian. We were talking, and all of the sudden he pulls out the statement "I don't understand evolution".

So I explain it to him, and he still doesn't get it. He is convinced it's got some sort of intelligence to it - and thats why he doesn't believe in it. I told him it's not directional, its completely random and he goes on to say no it doesn't make sense.

He's a chemistry student.

I wanted to fucking pound him in the face. What the fuck is carbon dating? Soil layers? Radioactive isotopes?

Get this: He thinks the world was created some 5,000 years ago, and that dinosaurs walked with people.

Why the fuck.... What really pisses me off is that this guy is so blind, so retarded, yet he is taking the most insightful drug there is. I Want to blast him with LSD, like 500 mics, and tell him to open the fuck up but that would just be mean.

/vent
 
Some people are just not meant to learn anything past what they feel comfortable with. As cliche as this is, it's like in the Matrix, where you get an answer, but only if you can understand it first.
 
wtf, that pisses me off.
ive had access to dmt for months, but still waited to try it. im now READY for my next trip, but i still dont feel mentally prepared to make the breakthrough, DMT is fuckin sacred.

the abuse of psychedelics piss me off in general, that one post about the "acid head"...... i mean wtf is an "acid head" seriously.

dmt is nothing to be played with, but you all know that. i wish there was an easier way to open people up, once people get something in their mind, its hard to get it out. like me: i was stubborn about high doses of mdma because of lack of research, and street rumors. spice helped me realize that even someone so open as myself, is still closed in their openness.

gah, wtf now you got ME doin it.

/rant :P
 
So true.


This is THE classic embodiment of the two main arguments concerning LSD, and to a lesser degree, psychedelics themselves;


Tim Leary- "LSD should be made available to anyone that wants it. It is criminal to disallow someone self-enlightenment"

Aldous Huxley- " Only those with heightened sensitivities and a less coarse mentality should be allowed, since they are the only ones that CAN derive benefit"


The bottom line


Your friend is a perfect example of


you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him think



He is the product of his programming, and until he GETS THIS COMPLETELY, he is not ready for what the LSD has to tell him.



The ONLY WAY that can ever happen is that something must crack his armor of self-assuredness, only then will the light be able to seep in.

I myself have noticed that for all their jabber, Christians typically hold life in less reverence than anyone else, (unless its forcing some poor woman to have 13 kids, now THAT part, they have figured out) and this is a characteristic they share with their ideological brethren, conservative republicans.....


Poor parenting is what created that mess.
 
....coupled with the inability to ARGUE BOTH SIDES OF A POINT in his own head. (which goes DIRECTLY back to parenting. You're supposed to be able to empathize. Ask yo mama, bible-thumpers)


One thing that people should be comfortable doing, before being tossed in a whirlwind of perspectives.




IJC- You'll figure this out on your own, but, life's too short to tolerate that crap.



I'd quit hanging out with such mental midgetry
:ANAL:
 
i cant even imagine what a dmt trip with that mindset would bring, and how does it NOT open his eyes abit?

i had a "friend" also.
i introduced him to the inexpensive "high" (if you can call it that) of cough meds, and he had always heard the stories of my pschedelic use (this was during my 2 year break), and he was interested in tripping too, so he did dxm.

increasingly high doses never met upto his idea of tripping (baised on my descriptions of LSD and mushrooms :roll:)
he eventually work his way up to 2000MGS!
ended himself up in the hospital, and no matter HOW hard i tried to tell him otherwise, his desire for escapism kept bringing him back to the robo. its now been almost 3 years of his mulitweekly dxm doses, and he has alot of problems. i keep encouraging him to have studies done on him to see what the effects of constant high doses of DXM does, so the interned can have abit more info about it. But i think hes afraid of what he will find out, so he always replies in anger that DXM dosent do anything bad to you, and he is the same he was 3 years ago. but i remember him, back then, and hes long gone now.

dunna what relevence that had to the OT but thats my "friend" story.

i hope he gets it sorted out, cuz ive always had the fear of his death being on my hands.
for that reason i avoid all comminication with him and people he associates with, cuz i know it will happen, but i dont wana know if it does. the though just shakes me up inside.

so knowledge is better left not know for some people(there was my point, i knew i had one! :))
 
IJesusChrist a dit:
well. mostly out of requirement

We all have to fill our quotas I guess...

IJesusChrist a dit:
He replies with "its just a plant". That really pissed me off. You're just an animal. That really pissed him off.

I wish I was there.

What really baffles me is that you're telling me he's a chemist student. I mean, I know for a fact that people who study aren't necessarily genius, but I wonder how you can study CHEMISTRY and fail to grasp the link to everything else. And I perfectly understand that you can be a scientist and a believer at the same time, but to think that everything was created 5'000 years ago?

And I also don't understand how could ANYONE smoke DMT on a frakkin' daily basis...
 
I don't like being his friend, honestly. If I could completely avoid him I would, but I can't just blatantly disregard him.

In some weird aspect, he is graveling for my friendship, because he sees me as the 'intelligence' that he doesn't have - and he admits this.

"You think different than me, more abstract. I don't question things, I just do them."

I get so frustrated with how much of a fucking quitter he is. He's dumb because he wants to be dumb. He doesn't WANT to think about other options.

When he gets wasted he tries to convert me to christianity and starts praying and shit. At that point I tell him to leave, or I leave myself. I feel bad for him, because he doesn't know how to make friends... He doesn't know how to love both friendly nor relationship - he can't get a girlfriend for the life of him. It's just sex.

in an odd way I want him to take ayahuasca... he's talked about it, and I told him not to - it will destroy him.

It's just, do you let the ignorant be blissful? Or do you smash it with a hammer and set them free?

I really shouldn't care, you're right spice - but empathy is a curse sometimes
 
Actually, I think that the one you should take care of is yourself.

Some people are simply "vampires", and most of the time you can't do anything meaningful for them, but they'll have you keep on trying because they enjoy doing it, maybe they even need it.

I think that freedom is a choice that anyone should make on his own, you can sometimes force someone to be "free", but this usually never ends well.

It may also be that your "friendship" with him is *somehow* stucking him in this situation. Either that or he simply doesn't want to change, and if you keep on trying doing it yourself, it won't change anything for him, but it will surely affect you in a bad way.
 
Okay. good advice tiax :)
 
If I may quote the following from a book I find interesting .

I've edited the text a lil' bit and intentionally omitted the source (although it is an easy find with Google) as the book it comes from could be considered as controversial, to say the least.

I suggest you simply read this extract before anything else and then make your own opinion ;)

Not All Vampires Suck Blood

Humanism represents responsibility to the responsible, instead of concern for psychic vampires.

Many people who walk the earth practice the fine art of making others feel responsible and even indebted to them, without cause. Humanism observes these leeches in their true light. Psychic vampires are individuals who drain others of their vital energy. This type of person can be found in all avenues of society. They fill no useful purpose in our lives, and are neither love objects nor true friends. Yet we feel responsible to the psychic vampire without knowing why.

If you think you may be the victim of such a person, there are a few simple rules which will help you form a decision. Is there a person you often call or visit, even though you really don't want to, because you know you will feel guilty if you don't? Or, do you find yourself constantly doing favors for one who doesn't come forward and ask, but hints? Often the psychic vampire will use reverse psychology, saying: "Oh, I couldn't ask you to do that" - and you, in turn, insist upon doing it. The psychic vampire never demands anything of you. That would be far too presumptuous. They simply let their wishes be known in subtle ways which will prevent them from being considered pests. They "wouldn't think of imposing" and are always content and willingly accept their lot, without the slightest complaint - outwardly!

Their sins are not of commission, but of omission. It's what they don't say, not what they do say, that makes you feel you must account to them. They are much too crafty to make overt demands upon you, because they know you would resent it, and would have a tangible and legitimate reason for denying them.

A large percentage of these people have special "attributes" which make their dependence upon you more feasible and much more effective. Many psychic vampires are invalids (or pretend to be) or are "mentally or emotionally disturbed." Others might feign ignorance or incompetence so you will, out of pity - or more often, exasperation - do things for them.

(...)

Most people accept these passively vicious individuals at face value only because their insidious maneuvers have never been pointed out to them. They merely accept these "poor souls" as being less fortunate than themselves, and feel they must help them however they can. It is this misdirected sense of responsibility (or unfounded sense of guilt) which nourishes well the "altruisms" upon which these parasites feast!

The psychic vampire is allowed to exist because he cleverly chooses conscientious, responsible people for his victims - people with great dedication to their "moral obligations."

(...)

There are, of course, people who are not happy unless they are giving, but many of us do not fit into this category. Unfortunately, we are often put upon to do things we do not genuinely feel should be required of us. A conscientious person finds it very difficult to decide between voluntary and imposed charity. He wants to do what is right and just, and finds it perplexing trying to decide exactly who he should help and what degree of aid should rightfully be expected of him.

Each person must decide for himself what his obligations are to his respective friends, family, and community. Before donating his time and money to those outside his immediate family and close circle of friends, he must decide what he can afford, without depriving those closest to him. When taking these things into consideration he must be certain to include himself among those who mean most to him. He must carefully evaluate the validity of the request and the personality or motives of the person asking it of him.

It is extremely difficult for a person to learn to say "no" when all his life he has said "yes." But unless he wants to be constantly taken advantage of, he must learn to say "no" when circumstances justify doing so. If you allow them, psychic vampires will gradually infiltrate your everyday life until you have no privacy left - and your constant feeling of concern for them will deplete you of all ambition.

A psychic vampire will always select a person who is relatively content and satisfied with his life - a person who is happily married, pleased with his job, and generally well-adjusted to the world around him - to feed upon. The very fact that the psychic vampire chooses to victimize a happy person shows that he is lacking all the things his victim has; he will do everything he can to stir up trouble and disharmony between his victim and those people he holds dear.

Therefore, be wary of anyone who seems to have no real friends and no appearant interest in life (except you). He will usually tell you he is very selective in his choice of friends, or doesn't make friends easily because of the high standards he sets for his companions. (To acquire and keep friends, one must be willing to give of himself - something of which the psychic vampire is incapable.) But he will hasten to add that you fulfill every requirement and are truly an outstanding exception among men - you are one of the very few worthy of his friendship.

Lest you confuse desperate love (which is a very selfish thing) with psychic vampirism, the vast difference between the two must be clarified. The only way to determine if you are being vampirized is to weigh what you give the person compared to what they give you in return.

You may, at times, become annoyed with the obligations put upon you by a loved one, a close friend, or even an employer. But before you label them psychic vampires, you must ask yourself, "What am I getting in return?" If your spouse or lover insists that you call them frequently, but you also require them to account to you for their time spent away from you, you must realize this is a give and take situation. Or, if a friend is in the habit of calling upon you for help at inopportune moments, but you similarly depend upon them to give your immediate needs priority, you must regard it as a fair exchange. If your employer asks you to do a little more than is normally expected of you in your particular position, but will overlook occasional tardiness or will give you time off when you need it, you certainly have no cause for complaint and need not feel he is taking advantage of you.

You are, however, being vampirized if you are incessantly called upon or expected to do favors for someone who, when you need a favor, always happens to have other "pressing obligations."

Many psychic vampires will give you material things for the express purpose of making you feel you owe them something in return, thereby binding you to them. The difference between your giving, and theirs, is that your return payment must come in a non-material form. They want you to feel obligated to them, and would be very disappointed and even resentful if you attempted to repay them with materal objects. In essence, you have "sold your soul" to them, and they'll constantly remind you of your duty to them, by not reminding you.

Being purely humanist, the only way to deal with a psychic vampire is to "play dumb" and act as though they are genuinely altruistic and really expect nothing in return. Teach them a lesson by graciously taking what they give you, thanking them loudly enough for all to hear, and walking away! In this way you come out the victor. What can they say? And when you are inevitably expected to repay their "generosity," (this is the hard part!) you say "NO" - but again, graciously! When they feel you falling from their clutches two things will happen. First, they will act "crushed," hoping your old feeling of duty and sympathy will return, and when (and if) it doesn't, they will show their true colors and will become angry and vindictive.

Once you have moved them to this point, YOU can play the role of the injured party. After all, you've done nothing wrong - you just happened to have had "pressing obligations" when they needed you, and since nothing was expected in return for their gifts, there should be no hard feelings.

Generally, the psychic vampire will realize his methods have been discovered and will not press the issue. He will not continue to waste his time with you, but will move on to his next unsuspecting victim.

There are times, however, when the psychic vampire will not release his hold so easily, and will do everything possible to torment you. They have plenty of time for this because, when once rejected, they wil neglect all else (what little else they have, that is) to devote their every waking moment to planning the revenge to which they feel they are entitled. For this reason, it is best to avoid a relationship with this kind of person in the first place. Their "adulation" and dependence upon you may, at first, be very flattering, and their material gifts very attractive, but you will eventually find yourself paying for them many times over.

Don't waste your time with people who will ultimately destroy you, but concentrate instead on those who will appreciate your responsibility to them, and, likewise, feel responsible to you.

Maybe this offered some insight ;)
 
THAT my friend, was a reputible post.
If there was a rep system, youd be getting a shit ton from me.

That was quite and interesting read.
 
wow yup thats him. ..... lol thanks tiax. I KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW

im going to shoot him.

with a silver bullet.
 
You might want to re-interpret what's written a liiiiiiiiil' bit :mrgreen:
 
hey IJC, why not replace his dmt with out APmeth? :P

lmfaooo
 
HAHAHA
 
psychic vampires?
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Don´t know what to think about it.
I am now listening to the red ice radio interview with Parapsycholoog Joe slate, about psychic vampires.

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personally i have no experience with psychic vampires that i know of. I think it´s a form of pseudo science. But its interesting none the less. Maybe there is something to it. Maybe not, i don´t know. what i do know is that there are people walking around who suck. :lol:
I just try to avoid them.
 
tricks idea reminded me of a 'friend' a friend of mine had. he was a big fan of mephedrone, and they would take it together rather often.
one night, the 'vampire' waited until he thought that the other one was asleep, to steal some of his mephedrone and snort a line. turned out what he thought to be mephedrone was 2C-I, of which he took a big nose. my friend noticed all this, but didn't take action and observed what the vampire was doing until he took the line.
needless to say, the guy kind of panicked and went home - I don't think he ever had psychedelics.
I thought it was fair, albeit dangerous - but that isn't so much our problem since he just snorted white stuff he had found. oh, and he stopped taking mephedrone after that.


IJesusChrist a dit:
wow yup thats him. ..... lol thanks tiax. I KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW

im going to shoot him.

with a silver bullet.
hahaha
 
IJesusChrist a dit:
Why the fuck.... What really pisses me off is that this guy is so blind, so retarded, yet he is taking the most insightful drug there is. I Want to blast him with LSD, like 500 mics, and tell him to open the fuck up but that would just be mean./vent

Meh... give the worlds most profound secrets to a moron and he'll just look at it and go "Ohh look at the pretty colors!".
 
BananaPancake a dit:
tricks idea reminded me of a 'friend' a friend of mine had. he was a big fan of mephedrone, and they would take it together rather often.
one night, the 'vampire' waited until he thought that the other one was asleep, to steal some of his mephedrone and snort a line. turned out what he thought to be mephedrone was 2C-I, of which he took a big nose. my friend noticed all this, but didn't take action and observed what the vampire was doing until he took the line.
needless to say, the guy kind of panicked and went home - I don't think he ever had psychedelics.
I thought it was fair, albeit dangerous - but that isn't so much our problem since he just snorted white stuff he had found. oh, and he stopped taking mephedrone after that.


IJesusChrist a dit:
wow yup thats him. ..... lol thanks tiax. I KNOW WHAT TO DO NOW

im going to shoot him.

with a silver bullet.
hahaha


lmaolmaolmaolmaolmaolmaooooooo YESSS fuck YAA> hahah. thats SO sick. fucking awosme :D:D:D
 
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