Salvia Freq's continued...

[TheSoundOfSalvia]

http://psychonaut.com/post-36921.html?f=8&start=15

Ok people, this is a direct reply to the previous topic that I just posted. ..

A short clip of it is here to explain something and make clear my intention to some questions and statements made towards it.

".....If you’d like to participate in all this strangeness, you might get a kick out of being a volunteer in some of the experiments, there is no cost required for testing the sound frequencies, the primary benefit to this group and the researcher is the collection of data.... the benefit to you, well... once you see what we are engaged in I think you will be more than excited and satisfied with the experience.....

I don’t mind giving you a brief hand getting started on this, you can certainly give it a shot if you want to, beginning with simply downloading a frequency track and then use it as the research project head recommends… then afterwards you make a report of your observations to the main group and to the senior researchers, pretty easy really, you just describe your experience online to their panel….

If you need more information let me know you can email me at,
Email removed

You can access the free frequency download link and get more information on this and begin participating in the online experiment by going here,

link removed
Looking forward to our mutual future discussions!

Very Best Regards

R"

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"Edit postReport this post Reply with quote Re: Salvia Frequencies
by TheSoundOfSalvia » Wed Dec 16, 2009 10:29
BrainEater wrote:
can i ask him to send me the sounds?? or will you give us an easy to use download link so you don't have to invest more energy in trying to convince us that what you say is true instead of just convincing us easily, as it probably should be, if what you are telling is true?..."

"OKay sure, if your having a problem believing me.. then just write to the scientist himself."


I gave the email address out. But they were removed, so BrainEater, if you want to ask the scientist himself to send you the sounds then PM me and I will write back with his email.. or else it will just be removed anyway.




"Re: Salvia Frequencies
by IJesusChrist » Wed Dec 16, 2009 15:14
Why don't you just send the link?

What are you afraid of?To think, or not to think.
Bitterness propogates bitterness."

I actually did post the links...as you can see, up above, in very large letters, they have been removed.. I am not sure if they were before or after you said this.. but there you have it, removed.

IJesusChrist, If you really actually care and you don't just have an axe to grind.. :axe: ,you know... 'bitterness propogates bitterness', then please stop claiming erroneous things about my intentions when you don't even know me. I know people can be a bit cautious about spamming and scamming on forums.. it is obvious to me.. but that is not what I am doing..
I am a volunteer...I have stated enough about my own personal experiences.. I have put myself out there...

"Re: Salvia Frequencies
by BrainEater » Wed Dec 16, 2009 16:22
yeah because we haven't heard the sounds so we can't tell on how these sounds should or could be related to salvia....you reap what you sow ~~~ go with the flow
BrainEater
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Then go ahead and go get the free download on the yahoo group site. It is quite a simple thing to do.

I will try to post the link again, -link once again removed-, but I am not sure if it was removed from my previous post because it was closed or because I just can't post links. I am new here and I amnot sure how this whole thing goes... I thought that it was allowed..

If I cannot post this here then, like i said Private Message me and I will try to get back to you. I am , like I said ONLY A VOLUNTEER and trying to help this scientist get his work out to people for free looks like it's getting to be a very tiring task on this particular forum for some reason....

"Re: Salvia Frequencies
by BananaPancake » Wed Dec 16, 2009 17:17
I found his homepage:
"ANTI CANCER FEEL General.mp3 $49.97 CAD More info. Buy here!"

I'm really inclined to close/delete this topic.


edit: I decided to close the topic. if you want to discuss the effects of sound on the body/psyche, go ahead and open a topic, but stop advertising."

Banana Pancake, please understand, I know you have all the right and power to close the posts I make, as well as the right to protect this site from spammers through making decisions driven by caution...just because he happens to sell things from his personal website does not mean that I am spamming.. that is a part of his anti cancer -FEEL kit which has nothing to do with this Salvia Divinorum frequency that I am trying to give out to the people of this forum for FREE..he's just the creator of both....I am not talking about the anti cancer ones here.. I am not sure why you posted this.

I will give an explenation of my own personal experiences if you would like...
But i was actually truly and honestly discussing what his work, and my personal connection with him was all about, not an advertisment, just honesty about my literal experiences...

For example..as I had posted:
"After I got to know this guy well, I realized that although he was sharp he wasn’t exactly the most socially engaged person but I still found myself enjoying speaking with him and hanging out with him, we got to know each other better and over time I became more and more fascinated at some of the crazy stuff he was into. I found myself volunteering on more than one
occasion to be a sort of guinea pig for various experimentation, I really liked it… the entire experience, a lot… "
This is a personal explenation about my literal experience with the scientist behind the work, something that I thought was valid in my expressing my experiencing with the creator and his work....(the salvia divinorum emulations).

This is a small excerpt, an example of someone's feedback from the website forum Lycauem...
"The music seems to represent elves (the twinkly bits), the ever-rising crescendos maybe going up/breaking through, and there's some odd almost subaural bonking and bumping ....."

He hasn't had the same effects as my first time listening to the free track though.

BananaPancake, if you have been to his website then you may have had the chance to take a look at the, literal, hundereds of testimonials from other people. This isn't some kind of scam, which is the point I am trying to prove is that I was not lying, spamming or scamming about anything on this site.. so i am not sure why you closed my thread...
I find his work to be very important, no matter how strange and overly surprising his claims seem to be.

So this is my personal account for anyone interested. I have explined it before, but i don't mind posting it here I will post one that I have used before as I have saved it because I noticed that people like to know...as well as for my own comparing and analysis, as I said, this science is a very strange one indeed.

I have smoked salvia on numerous occasions (it is legal here in canada) and I have listened to the sounds.

Smoking salvia can be intense and kinda scary for me. You can't change the fact that your on it and you have to just 'go along for the ride,' untill it's done. I usually laugh and snort like an idiot and then the room morphs, things look 2 dimensional and i feel the presence of a female or a male/female sounding voice teaching me things...or just plain speaking to me..Sometimes it's like like everything in the room has a presence, like little faces in the surface of every thing in my bedroom...which are all laughing at me saying, "welcome back! Do you remember this!?" As if there was no time passing for them since my last salvia trip.. and they were just waiting for me to forget about what it was like.. to feel comfortable enough to go in again and for them to have the chance to show me what the world really is about.... I have no control...And I get sucked back into a dark space.. the room starts zoming into the distaance and I get the the overwhelming feeling like reality really is gone, this is the way things really are than that every little THING in existence has a form of consciousness... One time I felt these giant pages of a book, like the book of life turning and sliding very hard against my face and whole body, across me....i fell down with the page onto a 2D plane...and the 2D plane took in everything else around me in along with it....there was a weird sense of a not so kind humour to it.....The 2D land of everything, which i think is existence, gone starts to turn into a giant spiral, slowly turning..sound getting muffled in withthe objects of the room joining with my body...so.. my body feels flat, stuck and wet...and moving, without cntrol along with the direction of everything else in existence.. through the neverending spiral..

Another time I lost sense of my body and surroundings. .. and am taken along on a journey to learn things without being able to find my body or control what I am hearing or seeing...it is very frightening and overwhelming nontheless. I am out in a dark space.. there is a male/female sounding voice telling me about the nature of existence and how it progresses down a line from one end of this milky stream to the other untill it reaches... ME! I find my body falling back into my bedroom..(I had been standing at the time *stupid idea i know* and i fall back against my wall. I had been falling in whatseem slow motion and realizing it , almost? Like a scene from a movie cutting from one to the next faster and faster till they overlap eachother.
I sometimes have trouble some times leaving my body, leaving the room and or escaping from being smothered in my bed, or the floor, or the walls, etc.. which can be very uncomfortable...this happens especially if I am in a room with the lights on... When I come to.. out of the salvia trip.. i feel relived.. but in the middle stage i feel like i want to hold on to the sense like i can literally feel every little layer of everything in the room about me..I feel like the only thing in life to hold on to and cherish was the love I felt for the people in my life i cared for.. and how much I worried that i would never see them again when i thought that existence was gone..I felt tingly, and sweaty, and thirsty and cold...and I feel vulnerable. So i don't think I have done it right.. cuz c'mon it's a sacred plant, and entheogen.. I didn't know what I was in for.
I think i'd like to try it outside sometime.. in the dark and in some beautiful sunshine on a summer day...

More than once I can definalty say that I wanted it to stop and couldn't have it that way at all!

With the sound frequencies.. i got into a calm meditave state with dim lighting and only the sound of the frequencies playing.. as I was told to ...I could only use headphones even though apparently the experience is better with the music loud and outloud.
I felt calmly like i was being lifted up out of my body... and I lost sense of it... but I also felt like my bed was still there... It was like a meditation trip that I can have and do have from time to time... but it happened alot faster and easier with the very spacey sounds going on...I could FEEL the sounds inside of my like i have never felt a sound before...like they were dancing about the roo m and rippling and making colors....soon my body was numb like it can feel when mediating and it seems like i could had been standing where i was laying.... I started to see images of a blue and black shadowt space with a dark blue ball moving about and morphing slightly out of shape in the small space that I watched. I calmly watched and just felt the sounds....... then a tall, tall blue muscular man slowly rose and appeared out of a black and blueish to lighter blue space....He was so immense.. though i had no real perception of how large my body was supposed to be at that point... i could have abeen a mere point of perspective for all i knew...He was as tall as a 4 story building, smooth and very muscular, and he was a shiny light blue.. with a deeper blue withint the deeper lines of his amdomen, chest and arms...I saw him from the bellybutton up..untill just above his nose where i couldn't see his eyes..*his arms may have been out to the sides of front* His eyes i couldnt see because it's like there was a flat plane of glass.. that was translucent..extending out from the same height of his eyes...and as far as i could see above and behind me...
I don't remember, like with regular salvia trips.. how this morphed into what I saw next.. it all happens so fast.. without much time for you to comprehend.. but I felt calm, fine and like I could open my eyes and get up any time I wanted to.. but i didn't want to... I was enjoying every aspect of the trip.

I have also seen with the audio track what looked like a bunch of fairies playing around. I was kinda floating in a nowhere space when I suddenly found myself laying on a forest floor..in an open patch of grass with trees on either side of me.. i smelled a strange alien smell that i have never smelt before..sweet? sour?. I was laying on my back....then suddenly my body dissapeared and I could see the very spot that I had been laying in, empty. All the while these strange beeps and boops with very deep underlayers are playng...A fairy in a funky little outfit appeared in my minds eye, to my amazement and starts doing some sort of dance or running jigg over the spot i had been laying on..she had a very tricksy presence to her... there was alot of giggling..
I saw then the dark nowhere space...and then faces of elf looking things and what not...when i came to i had the same after effect feeling of salvia except i wasnt sweating nearly as much at all and i wasnt drooling.. I felt floaty and buzzing, tingling sensations and my room seemed 'different'.
Overall I have had much more positive experiences with the frequencies and I enjoy the fact that I don't have to go buying more and more salvia because it is pretty expensive where I am! With the audio track I never felt scared or embaressed in front of my 'sitter' for laughing like a goof and drooling all over the place. I didn't even need a sitter, I could be my own.

Although it takes a little more of an ability to focus and allow your mind to drop into a different sort of trance state.. or else just wait for a minimum of 45 minutes... it takes longer for some and shorter for others.. I seemed the need to stop all the internal dialouge and daydreaming imagination stuff...I really did enjoy my listening experience... but I can't say that I have had this sort of effect every time I listen to different ones.. It really depends on my mind state.

All in all.. i'm kinda afraid of smoking salvia most of the time.. and the sound frequency is a literal mathematic emulation of the ACTUAL frequency that the plant and the frequency that emits off of a person while high on it...which I enjoyed much more.
I hope this has been helpful.
This is the page where you can join the online group to get the frequency for yourself to try out.
-link once again removed-

 

[IJesusChrist]

Stop this.

You are the epidamy of disgust right now, you sure as hell have a chance to redeem yourself and delete your posts, but stop trying to bring capitalism to a site titled "Psychonaut".

You are being an ignorant prick.

Excuse my language.

 

[TheSoundOfSalvia]

Stop this.

You are the epidamy of disgust right now, you sure as hell have a chance to redeem yourself and delete your posts, but stop trying to bring capitalism to a site titled "Psychonaut".

You are being an ignorant prick.

Excuse my language.

Umm, excuse you? What excuse is there for your rudeness?

I sure as hell know that I have done nothing wrong here.
The free audio track and scientists work that I have brought to people's attention here is a PSYCHOACOUSTIC frequency.

A site for psychonauts obviously calls for the freedom for someone interested in the feild of psychonautics to explain her experience about and share something with the members within the area of criteria.

I have plenty of other members thanking me for the imformation I have imparted here and elsewhere.

Obviously this form of psychoacoustic/psychonautic experience is not for you.

Your feedback is not constructive, nor is it informative of anything other than your own, extremely harsh and erroneous, personal opinion. Stop trying to censor everyone elses experience.

Capitalism.... ? I am giving something for free to people who are sincerely interested. The only thing I asked for in return, which they very well can choose to do or not.. was for them to join our group so they can share their experience with us...and gain more access to free downloads, testimonials and to connect with the larger community.

I tell an honest story and you verbally attack me..

Are you going to claim that these offensive and erroneous comments of yours posted here are for the common good?

I know Donald Adams well. Has started a public, GRASSROOTS website. He has VOLUNTEERS who aren't funding anything.
The only fuel for this is the public.
There are plenty of people around who enjoy his work...local and abroad. There arent any people in business suits around him.
Obviously there are no corporations backing up his work here, in this city or anywhere else.

Just because he is the only person to have created his form of sound frequency does not mean he is a capitalist.
He is just one man, a scientist, who started this work so he could help people. I am a volunteer who is trying to help his work, which I find to be fascinating and novel.

If you were actually sincere about your approach I might assume you had considerate and openminded concern. But you have shown that you obviously just don't care to be polite,and would rather just attack me for no good reason.

You have no good reason to be posting in this topic anymore, seeing as the information I have posted here isn't doing anything for you.
Your critique is not valid.
This form of psychonautic experiencing, obviously isn't for you.

You very well may continue to verbally lay out your very uneducated claims about what You think I am doing, but you will only be showing myself as well as others how utterly bored you must be.

 

[Synith]

Mmkai. I forget the exact name of the science of this, but a long time ago one of my friends came to me and asked if I knew anything about 'getting high by listening to certain frequencies of sound.'

I told her it isn't possible, which it isn't. Drugs are chemicals which react within the brain, either in a receptor, or target a specific receptor, or group of them, which release other chemicals in the brain. Take Cannabis' reaction within the cannabinoid receptors, releasing massive amounts of dopamine into the ; since THC mimics anadamine.

However, the only way sounds work on the brain is the ones designed for sleep. Like sleep tapes and such, which calm and mimic the brain's frequency into the different stages of sleep, hence allowing one to fall asleep. Perhaps it's a crock of shit, or perhaps it does work. All I know is when I listen to ambient frequency stuff-- I get calm and fall asleep.

As for Salvia's frequency. Scientists aren't even sure how Salvinorin A works in the brain. They just know it does. One cannot go into a hallucinogenic state, or altered state without a chemical in their body.

I'm sorry, man-- but this is debunked.

 

[TheSoundOfSalvia]

Mmkai. I forget the exact name of the science of this, but a long time ago one of my friends came to me and asked if I knew anything about 'getting high by listening to certain frequencies of sound.'

I told her it isn't possible, which it isn't. Drugs are chemicals which react within the brain, either in a receptor, or target a specific receptor, or group of them, which release other chemicals in the brain. Take Cannabis' reaction within the cannabinoid receptors, releasing massive amounts of dopamine into the ; since THC mimics anadamine.

However, the only way sounds work on the brain is the ones designed for sleep. Like sleep tapes and such, which calm and mimic the brain's frequency into the different stages of sleep, hence allowing one to fall asleep. Perhaps it's a crock of shit, or perhaps it does work. All I know is when I listen to ambient frequency stuff-- I get calm and fall asleep.

As for Salvia's frequency. Scientists aren't even sure how Salvinorin A works in the brain. They just know it does. One cannot go into a hallucinogenic state, or altered state without a chemical in their body.

I'm sorry, man-- but this is debunked.

Its apparent that you are not talking from an informed or properly educated place, but rather from a place of simply wanting your opinion to be true because you find it convenient for some reason in relation to your own comfort and maintaining your map of reality....

The truth is, you're just plain wrong. Sorry, your spin is debunked and anyone who cares to do a web search spending under five minutes of time and effort will find plenty of examples.

Its actually well known, to those who actually DO the proper leg work that frequency can and DOES have the ability to induce proper altered states of consciousness, this can be done through a variety of means, electromagentic field ala Persinger, which is proven science and peer reviewed

http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%2B ... =&aq=f&oq=


AND via sound, especially via resonating entrainment, here is just one of many examples;

http://www.electronics-related.com/usen ... 6594-1.php

"Sono-Chemistry and Advances in Neurophysics
To close, I would like to just mention experiments being done
combining the novel science of sonochemistry and neurophysics. Amazing
altered states of consciousness have been attained by some privately
funded researchers using sound and light, a combinat ion of physics
and Yoga. From stereochemistry, the precise molecular structure of
certain alkaloids have been obtained, and their vibrational isomorphic
fundamental vibrational frequencies determined. Example: Ammonia, NH3,
molecules vibrate at 40,000 cps . LSD vibrates at about 11,000 cps. A
tone was obtained from this vibrating molecule, and a large poster of
its molecular structure was made. By focusing on the chemical formula
on the poster and playing the sound harmonic/tone of the LSD molecule,
a fabulous psychedelic trance was experienced by eight volunteers,
men and women. No side effects, unpleasant emotions or after effects
were experienced. The subjects remained in the Theta brainwave through
the entire three hour experience. Many OOBE, time trav el, and
"clairsenses" experiences were reported and monitored. The experiment
was repeated at other times with close controls, and similar
experiences were reported. The information from these experiments was
truly, truly amazing, fabulous, fantastic -- t o put it mildly. The
psychokinetic and telekinetic feats were, I think, unparalleled in the
history of parapsychological research. A new biochemistry and
pharmacology can emerge from this study. I have passed this
information to our Russian colleagues for future study, for it is
their specialty -- paraphysics and biological radio. Ironically, the
CIA and KGB are familiar with two alkaloid substances known as
telepathine and astraline. The former is in the chemistry handbook,
the latter is new. Interesting names! Thank you my friends. (Standing
applause)."

 

[BrainEater]

why are you rude to this dude?? and why you think you know everything better?? wtf is goin on........ i mean it gets a bit on my nerves too also because we don't get the file, but well i honestly have been too lazy to write to the scientist directly until now.

peace

 

[IJesusChrist]

I am rude because there is one thing that fucking makes me irrate:

A person claiming to be intelligent, and then asking for your credit card.
FUCK. That.

Money and psychadelics do not MIX, and not once did this man or woman post a direct link to the free MP3's, nor did he ever explain how to get to the direct link for the MP3's for free, nor did ANYONE say they have gotten the MP3's yet.

If you claim to have something for sale, sure, go ahead and post it, although its against the forum rules, atleast your honest. But no, You are LIEING about MONEY, on a forum called PSYCHONAUT.

WHAT IS THERE NOT TO BE PISSED ABOUT?

Greed kills.

 

[Synith]

'Its apparent that you are not talking from an informed or properly educated place, but rather from a place of simply wanting your opinion to be true because you find it convenient for some reason in relation to your own comfort and maintaining your map of reality....'

Uh, no. It's a simple law of nature, dude. Your brain needs chemicals in it. One cannot go under into the effects of LSD by frequencies without the present drug in your brain. It seems you know absolutely nothing about how drugs interact with the brain and body. The only 'frequency' which acts upon the mind, calming it are the waves produced in sleep. Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep#Stages_of_sleep for more info; those tapes and CD's which help one fall asleep, mimic those states of sleep, allowing you to fall asleep, but in no way can a sound, or frequency alter, in this case the k-opioid receptor, producing similar effects to how the diterpenoid, Salvinorin A works within that receptor. It's not an opinion, it's a fact. It seems you're wanting to back up your argument by insulting. I'm not one to fall for it. As for me being uneducated about it-- I'm not. You really think I'd trust some random scientist who found something so cool that he decided to make a group on Yahoo about it? If it were that much of a breakthrough, it'd be elsewhere-- not on Yahoo groups.


'The truth is, you're just plain wrong. Sorry, your spin is debunked and anyone who cares to do a web search spending under five minutes of time and effort will find plenty of examples.'

Its actually well known, to those who actually DO the proper leg work that frequency can and DOES have the ability to induce proper altered states of consciousness, this can be done through a variety of means, electromagentic field ala Persinger, which is proven science and peer reviewed'

>> Did you even read the about the 'God Helmet' ?

'Claims of telepathy, ESP and other psi phenomena are a mainstay of popular culture but taboo in neuroscience research circles. Fortunately, Dr. Michael Persinger of Canada’s Laurentian University has never been afraid to venture where other researchers fear to go. In the 1980’s Persinger made headlines with his “God Helmet”, a device that stimulates temporal lobes with a weak magnetic field in order to produce religious states.'


Stimulating the temporal lobe would put one into a state of meditation. It's the same reason why Buddhist monks chant; to go into a deeper state of meditation. This is quite different than having some frequency act like Salvia, or any drug. It's simply sound waves, the same ones I talked about earlier which help you sleep-- but being used as a form of meditation. The same applies for electromagnetic. Both work hand in hand.




http://www.google.ca/search?hl=en&q=%2B ... =&aq=f&oq=


AND via sound, especially via resonating entrainment, here is just one of many examples;

http://www.electronics-related.com/usen ... 6594-1.php

"Sono-Chemistry and Advances in Neurophysics
To close, I would like to just mention experiments being done
combining the novel science of sonochemistry and neurophysics. Amazing
altered states of consciousness have been attained by some privately
funded researchers using sound and light, a combinat ion of physics
and Yoga. From stereochemistry, the precise molecular structure of
certain alkaloids have been obtained, and their vibrational isomorphic
fundamental vibrational frequencies determined. Example: Ammonia, NH3,
molecules vibrate at 40,000 cps . LSD vibrates at about 11,000 cps. A
tone was obtained from this vibrating molecule, and a large poster of
its molecular structure was made. By focusing on the chemical formula
on the poster and playing the sound harmonic/tone of the LSD molecule,
a fabulous psychedelic trance was experienced by eight volunteers,
men and women. No side effects, unpleasant emotions or after effects
were experienced. The subjects remained in the Theta brainwave through
the entire three hour experience. Many OOBE, time trav el, and
"clairsenses" experiences were reported and monitored. The experiment
was repeated at other times with close controls, and similar
experiences were reported. The information from these experiments was
truly, truly amazing, fabulous, fantastic -- t o put it mildly. The
psychokinetic and telekinetic feats were, I think, unparalleled in the
history of parapsychological research. A new biochemistry and
pharmacology can emerge from this study. I have passed this
information to our Russian colleagues for future study, for it is
their specialty -- paraphysics and biological radio. Ironically, the
CIA and KGB are familiar with two alkaloid substances known as
telepathine and astraline. The former is in the chemistry handbook,
the latter is new. Interesting names! Thank you my friends. (Standing
applause)."[/quote]

Again, for the fourth time, sound cannot put someone into an altered state, such as LSD. It's possible that the brain puts out frequencies while under the drug, but that's simply its reaction to the molecule-- sound and frequencies are not molecules. There is a huge difference.

Also, if this had any merit whatsoever, out of everyone on this site-- many who are chemists, scientist and the akin; people more experienced than most would be siding with you on this. Everyone here is disagreeing. You might want to highly take that into consideration before you try and debunk everyone as a moron. Even on that link you posted, people are disagreeing and yet you keep telling everyone they're incorrect and to do research. I have and every link and article I have found is not specific. It's as if a group of people got together and said, 'Hey I have an idea-- how about we sell frequencies and shit and make money' I'm sorry, man but this is both a crock of shit and a scheme.

 

[Teonanacapilli]

Actually it is possible to reach psychedelic states under sound alone, it's called binaural beats. Also there's meditation which requires no exogenous molecules whatsoever. Yes, your brain needs the chemicals to induce psychedelic states, but sound, and lack of sensory stimulation could cause a release of said chemicals (DMT most likely, since you've got it already).

Sorry if any of that was a repeat, that is a ridiculous amount of letters to read up above. And I, like I'm sure others are, am way too stoned to read it all.

 

[BrainEater]

+3

 

[TheSoundOfSalvia]

I did link where to get them, I explained it enough, I already explained that I am not selling anything. Apparently you guys can't read.
I'm not interested in dueling ego's, I get plenty of postive and educated responses elsewhere.

See yea!

 

[BrainEater]

me neither...

just download the sounds for us and upload them and so we can listen to it ourselves instead of having rather senseless discussions...

 

[Synith]

Actually it is possible to reach psychedelic states under sound alone, it's called binaural beats. Also there's meditation which requires no exogenous molecules whatsoever. Yes, your brain needs the chemicals to induce psychedelic states, but sound, and lack of sensory stimulation could cause a release of said chemicals (DMT most likely, since you've got it already).

Sorry if any of that was a repeat, that is a ridiculous amount of letters to read up above. And I, like I'm sure others are, am way too stoned to read it all.

+1
Perhaps not exactly a 'psychedelic' state-- but certainly a meditative one.
Not sure if it would release DMT; there's speculation that DMT's released during REM, but scientists don't know. Anyhow-- on those sleep tapes and such-- I find it very influential on dreams and such. When I listen I don't trip out or whatever, I just fall asleep.

 

[TheSoundOfSalvia]

*siiigh*...

"This is the page where you can join the online group to get the frequency for yourself to try out.
-link once again removed-"

 

[BrainEater]

so its too much stress uploading it yourself? i dont want to get into the yahoo groups etc

if u wanna tell me honestly that that would be too much stress i would take the same attitude like IJC, as i hate unnecessary stress............ sorry for any prior misunderstandings however and sorry for possible rudeness from my and others' part.

peace

p.s. i just read your experiences with salvia and am looking forward to you uploading a frequency so i can download it and try it for myself.

 

[ararat]

I did link where to get them, I explained it enough, I already explained that I am not selling anything. Apparently you guys can't read.
I'm not interested in dueling ego's, I get plenty of postive and educated responses elsewhere.

See yea!

if your appearance wouldn't have been that much like a salesman we wouldn't have been that irritated. your name and your signature are about the only thing you write about: the sound of salvia.
advertising is not allowed on here, which is why I removed the email-adress and the url and closed the thread.
and all this send an email there, join this group to download the sound etc. is strange as well, are you surprised that we are skeptical? what rational reason is there not to post the direct link if you want to show us this great thing?

By focusing on the chemical formula
on the poster and playing the sound harmonic/tone of the LSD molecule,
a fabulous psychedelic trance was experienced by eight volunteers,
men and women. >No side effects, unpleasant emotions or after effects
were experienced.

speaks a lot for the fact that it doesn't simulate LSD

 

[TheSoundOfSalvia]

so its too much stress uploading it yourself? i dont want to get into the yahoo groups etc

if u wanna tell me honestly that that would be too much stress i would take the same attitude like IJC, as i hate unnecessary stress............ sorry for any prior misunderstandings however and sorry for possible rudeness from my and others' part.

peace

p.s. i just read your experiences with salvia and am looking forward to you uploading a frequency so i can download it and try it for myself.

so you'd rather take it and run? without giving a testimonail of your experience for the creators (the scientists) sake?

He's giving something that the forumla for making took years to develop and discover, and hours to render this specific frequency.

the group is there so that i dont have to go running around all over the place looking for testimonials from the places i released this to.

He will be releasing the other free downloads soon...for the group members, through the group.
and the intructions for proper usage are in messages for the group... you probably wont get a proper effect if you dont follow instuctions... not to mention with a closed mind.... .... *we've noticed that they work the best for the most sensitive people...'empaths' if you may*

That's it. I will ask Doc himself... and you can very well email him yourself.

 

[BrainEater]

maybe he wants to come to this forum so we can share directly our experiences with the frequencies??

 

[Teonanacapilli]

Alright, so I joined the group. It sure doesn't work for me, but try it yourselves if you're so inclined. Scroll down halfway and click the big, bold "CLICK HERE". Seems a lot more like bullshit now. But hey, I tried damn it! I went in with an open mind and I gave it a go

http://www.spiralstarz.com/salvia.htm#free

 

[darkwolfunseen]

Nanacapilli - Thank you for doing the legwork.

Sound of Salvia - Consider this, I break into your home and not really knowing much about you, I start leaving random crappy trinkets around that make really annoying noises, promising you that they will make you rich and let you see aliens. Then I promise you that it's credible and there's a "scientist" who invented these noises. If you can honestly tell me you won't go batshit and reach for a gun, I'll think you're crazy.

That being said, after listening to the frequency, I noticed you offer the following just below: "How do I purchase the entire
Salvia Divinorum Frequency Collection?" hahaha, are you f***ing kidding me? You're dealing with people who have spent their entire adult life getting around the bullsh*t taught to us by ignorant teachers, backwards parents, and retarded corporate marketing schemes? Do you really think someone's going to go "oh well sure I'll pay $24.99 for the whole collection, because it has the words Salvia in it, and I've done Salvia, so why wouldn't I?

Not to sound rude (actually I really don't care), but you mix the worst about both science and psychonautics, and I really think you should spend a little more time discussing theories, and a little less time invading our home with your crappy "be a psychonaut over night" garbage.