Questions for experts

[GOD]

There are often questions about drugs that we cant answer with certainty . Like the shit about drinking Amanita piss , ribena and mushrooms and people taking and making claims about MAOIs with mushrooms without knowing the if , what and why .

So this thread is suposed to be a place to collect those questions so that next time any of us go to Psychedelic meetings like the one that CaduceusMercurius just went to........ where he interviewed HRH uncle Dennis........ they can ask those questions and clear up the seemingly endless hokus pokus pseudo fact attacks that we all know so well.......

Please keep the questions short and sweet . The people who get in the position to ask experts questions can then choose wich ones that they feel comfortable to ask .


SO :-

1:- Please can you explain if MAOIs can have an effect on taking Psilocybe mushrooms ? Does it potentiate them ? If yes , how and why ? Or is it just a mixture of expectations / placebo , psychelogical effects and toxicity ?

2:- Are there any reliable facts about the claims that it is possible for people to drink Amanita piss on an empty , clean stomach and them then having a "trip" ??? Please explain the details . Who ? When ? where ? Where are the facts available ?

 

[magickmumu]

I know there is a lot of discussion about MAOIs and mushrooms.
MAOIs have an effect by themselves without mushrooms.
So you will always have some effect. MAOIs make one feel calm, and this might focus your trip.
What the effect's are on neurophysical level i don't know. That's a question for experts.
Another question i have is about vitamin C.
What is the effect of vitamin C on mushrooms and LSD??

 

[user_1919]

What is the effect of vitamin C on mushrooms and LSD??

I believe that is a placebo.

 

[Guest]

What is the effect of vitamin C on mushrooms and LSD??

I believe that is a placebo.

+1 , IMHO it only works when people believe this to be true...

...which is just great when you're doing a trip with a first-timer and you tell him "Alright, so I know you believe that I case of a bad trip, vitamin C cand stop it, but I must tell you that it's only a placebo, ie it would have worked had I not told you. :twisted: "

 

[GOD]

"What is the effect of vitamin C on mushrooms and LSD??"

Nothing exept a vitamin flash . Some people used to recomend it for helping people to deal with dificult experiences , but it does not work . I think someone somewhere got mixed up between vitamin C and B vitamins wich have been used in psychiatry to help ill people who were having halucinations .

"Alright, so I know you believe that I case of a bad trip, vitamin C cand stop it, but I must tell you that it's only a placebo, ie it would have worked had I not told you."

Hysterical laughter !!!!!!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

somewhere got mixed up between vitamin C and B vitamins wich have been used in psychiatry to help ill people who were having halucinations

Yes, niacine (vitamin B3) especially.

From 5-HTP, Prozac’s true alternative: "5-hydroxytryptophan (5-HTP) is the less well known cousin of serotonin (5-HT), one of the most important brain neurotransmitters. Tryptophan is first converted to 5-HTP in nerve cells by a vitamin B3 dependant enzyme, and then 5-HTP is converted to serotonin by a vitamin B6 dependant enzyme. Yet thanks to modern science, we can now take preformed 5-HTP, with many consequent advantages."

Vitamin C could help though, because it's involved in so many bodily processes, including those governing our tension and relaxation. That is why most "anti-stress" food supplements contain a good dose of ascorbid acid.

 

[magickmumu]

I never believed the whole vitamin C story. But I was wondering if there was some truth in it. And where the story came from.
In some smartshops they tell your to take vitamin c to weaken a mushroom trip. I heard on the psychonautica podcast about smartshop that give vitamin c. the guy from the podcast did't believe vitamin c did something beside a placebo effect.

This Myth is busted.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

1:- Please can you explain if MAOIs can have an effect on taking Psilocybe mushrooms ? Does it potentiate them ? If yes , how and why ? Or is it just a mixture of expectations / placebo , psychelogical effects and toxicity ?

GOD, we're now uploading the lecture by Jonathan Ott, in which he discusses ayahuasca analogues. He talks about MAO inhibitors a lot. He mentions that the word "potentiate" is inappropriate. To say "they make DMT orally active" is correct, but to say they potentiate the DMT is not correct, for in fact the opposite is true.

2:- Are there any reliable facts about the claims that it is possible for people to drink Amanita piss on an empty , clean stomach and them then having a "trip" ??? Please explain the details . Who ? When ? where ? Where are the facts available ?

Good point. We need some facts on this.

 

[HeartCore]

1:- Please can you explain if MAOIs can have an effect on taking Psilocybe mushrooms ? Does it potentiate them ? If yes , how and why ? Or is it just a mixture of expectations / placebo , psychelogical effects and toxicity ?

Personal experience: It definitely changed the journey for me. It was deeper but different, less vision, more 'voice' in the head.

Hell, I even learned to speak an ancient shamanic language that night which I completely lost the next morning

I am going to do it again but unfortunately I fucked up a Peganum extraction so I have to order some first.

2. Read history.

Jesus said that in order to find the kingdom, one would have to drink from ones own cistern. That's just a hint, proof can be found in many, many, many paintings and other artpieces of the times. Let me know if you want a cool link with thousands of those categorized.

 

[Meduzz]

Another one: Does orange juice potentiate mushrooms?

It should help extracting the psilocin (not sure about psilocybin, because it's a zwitterion) from the mushroom material because it's acidic, but on the other hand, the stomach is already very acidic (pH 2).

 

[VerusDeus]

I'll apologize in advance for sort of going of topic and bringing back this old-time fiery discussion. But isn't psilocybin quite closely related to DMT, psilocybin(or psilocin,dunnow actually) is 4-Ho-DiMethylTryptamine, couldn't it be that some of the psilocybin is thus destroyed by the same enzymes that destroy DMT. If so it would mean that with MAOi you get more psilocybin into your system.

In my experience it changed the mushroom experience significantly. I had CEV's but not as interesting as normally, just clearer but less moving etc. While I had a lot of auditory hallucinations. OEV's were impressive though, a tree in my backyard started reaching for me with his branches :shock:

Peace

 

[Guest]

couldn't it be that some of the psilocybin is thus destroyed by the same enzymes that destroy DMT.

Well it's the extra OH group that makes it MAO resistant, but that's just from what I've heard and I do not have specific info that would back it up.

 

[GOD]

One is to buisy sulking to reply at the moment , but when one can stop spitting fire , puts the baseball bat down and stops hitting the furnature one will reply............

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

For Amanita Muscaria and Pantherina I say and know this:
(Pantherina-which is in fact small dance with Death angel, Death angel=bigger amount of Pantherina) I know and heard everything (relative saying) from one friend who has given his life to nature-philosophy questions-like Druid priest, everything what he needs he acquire from the Sun and Mother Earth, and I also read bout Amanita in books and on the Net (I prefer live stories&books, not Internet)
Amanita shrooms contain ibotenic acid, muscimol and muscazone.(we talk bout muscar&panther). Ibotenic acid and musscazone have low psychodelic effects (on scale from 1-10 bout 2.5-if that). Carrier of effects is muscimol. Product which is already found in shroom but it is also product of decarbonization of ibotenic acid by liver enzymes. Similar to the ethanol degradation. Ibotenic acid is by the way highly potential epileptic agent! I.acid is what we determine as side effect. Muscimol is chemical with stable and strong degradation resistance! Only way for body to dispose it by kidneys or urine. But also with this procedure ibotenic acid which is now at some percent decarbonizated into muscimol also leave body with urine. This is why urine is healthier, stronger, better then fresh or dry shroom. Second drink and piss, third piss, fourth piss are the same! After that muscimol starts to degrade but not because of continuous liver purification but from piss cooling and some acids in urine! This is why you can't store Amanita urine and drink it after some time! When I find what is destroying muscimol I will post it! And ibotenic acid doesn't kill flies! It only stuns them! Fly argic is in fact oxymoron! :!: :lol:

MAOi WILL COME NEXT TOMORROW

PEACE
LIGHT
BLESS