Psychonautdocs.com - Documents for serious Psychonauts

Caduceus Mercurius · 20/3/14

This is a great collection of research papers, videos, podcasts and websites related to transpersonal psychology and psychedelic therapy:

Documents for serious Psychonauts

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A Review of Transpersonal Theory and Its Application to the Practice of Psychotherapy, Mark C. Kasprow, M.D., Bruce W. Scotton, M.D.

Hallucinogenic Drugs and Plants in Psychotherapy and Shamanism, Ralph Metzner

Handbook for the Therapeutic Use of Lysergic Acid Diethylamide-25, D.B. Blewett, Ph.D. and N. Chwelos, M.D.

Psychotherapy with lysergic acid dietitylamide, Betty Grover Eisner, Ph.D., Sidney Cohen, M.D.

The Psychedelic Mystical Experience in the Human Encounter With Death, Walter N. Pahnke

The Therapeutic Use of MDMA, Greer GR, Tolbert R

Phenomenology and sequelae of MDMA use, Liester MB, Grob CS, Bravo GL, Walsh RN

From Sacred Plants to Psychotherapy, Dr. Ben Sessa

The Psychedelic Experience - A New Concept in Psychotherapy, J.N. Sherwood, M.D., M.J. Stolaroff, W.W. Harman, Ph.D.

Are Psychedelics Useful in the Practice of Buddhism?, M.J. Stolaroff

Manual for Ibogaine Therapy: Screening, Safety, Monitoring & Aftercare, Howard S. Lotsof & Boaz Wachtel

Hitting Highs at Rock Bottom: LSD Treatment for Alcoholism, 1950–1970, Erika Dyck

Chronic Administration of SerotonergicAntidepressants Attenuates the Subjective Effects of LSD in Humans, Bonson, Buckholtz and Murphy

Clarifying the Confusion Regarding LSD-25, Savage, C., and M. J. Stolaroff.

LSD Therapy in Dutch Psychiatry: Changing Socio-Political Settings and Medical Sets, Snelders and Kaplan

LSD: Side Effects and Complications, Cohen

The Psychopharmacology of Hallucinogens, Abraham, Aldridge, Gogia

Clinical Investigations of the Therapeutic Potential of Ayahuasca: Rationale and Regulatory Challenges, Dennis J. McKenna

The Healing Potential of Agony & Ecstacy, Claudio Naranjo

Experience With The Interpersonal Psychedelics, Claudio Naranjo

MDA, The Drug of Analysis, Claudio Naranjo

MMDA and the Eternal Now, Claudio Naranjo

Holotropic Breathwork: The Potential Role of a Prolonged, Voluntary Hyperventilation Procedure as an Adjunct to Psychotherapy, Joseph P. Rhinewine, ph.d., and Oliver J. Williams, b.a.

The Transpersonal Model of the Psyche: Some implications for psychotherapy and psychiatry, Dr. Tim Read

Ketamine: Peril and Promise, R. Andrew Sewell, MD

Unauthorized Research on Cluster Headache, R. Andrew Sewell, M.D.

Response of cluster headache to psilocybin and LSD, R. Andrew Sewell, John H. Halpern and Harrison G. Pope, Jr

The Sacred Voyage: a holotropic perspective on mental health, Lars Faber and Maria Groot

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Erowid
http://www.ayahuasca.com
http://www.howtobecomeapsychiatrist.org
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The Psychedelic Library
Psychedelic Press UK

IJesusChrist · 22/3/14

zezt · 26/3/14

this field is SO male dominant!!
AND Grof-dominant

Caduceus Mercurius · 26/3/14

zezt a dit:
this field is SO male dominant!!
AND Grof-dominant

Hahaha... Indeed.

But this is not unique to psychedelic research. Most great philosophers, mathematicians and scientists were men. And so were the pioneers in the areas of humanistic and transpersonal psychology.

And hasn't this forum been "dominated" by men too?

In fact, aren't most online discussion groups "dominated" by men?

Fields that are not "dominated" by men are the paranormal (psychics, tarot readers and so on), healing (Reiki, herbology, counseling), art, and any context where relating is more important than knowledge (new age communities, psytrance festivals and so on).

I don't believe this is due to the "patriarchy", especially when we're talking about the present day, here in the West.

Women and men are physically different, and that includes a different wiring of the brain, resulting in (or being correlated to) different interests and priorities. The idea that men and women are neurologically and psychologically the same is unscientific propaganda.

My experience is that most women are not interested in serious discussions about the meaning of life or the nature of reality. Sure, there ARE women who are interested in these things (I know quite a few), but they are clearly outnumbered by men.

There is a popular test to determine your Jungian psychology type, the MBTI type indicator, and decades of collecting data has revealed that 3/4 of men fall in the Thinking category, and 3/4 of women fall in the Feeling category. Likewise, there are more male introverted, intuitive thinkers than there are female introverted, intuitive thinkers. Introverted, intuitive thinkers are by nature interested in philosphy, mathematics, science, psychology and spirituality. It is therefore no surprise that these fields are "dominated" by men.

Girls and women's magazines are the opposite of intuitive: they are all about sensing, and they avoid topics that require deep thought. Beautiful celebrities (male and female), articles about make-up, hair, clothes and so on. There are no articles about science in Cosmopolitan. No articles about politics, philosophy or technology. Even the magazines which are supposedly about psychology, are mostly about pop psychology. None of the articles have any depth.

Now, this is not some male conspiracy. The editors of these sensuous magazines are mostly women, and obviously this is exactly what sells. Fifty years of Women's Lib, and this is what they have voluntarily embraced. Glamour and gossip.

It's fine with me; to each his or her own. But stop blaming it on the "patriarchy". If you want to see actual male dominance, go visit an Islamic country. Here in the West women are supported and protected by men at every turn.

Caduceus Mercurius · 26/3/14

Timothy Leary, Terence McKenna, Alan Watts, Robert Anton Wilson, Ken Kesey, Bill Hicks, Joe Rogan...all men.

There are some prominent women in the psychedelic movement, for example Kathleen Harrison, Allyson Grey, Carolyn Garcia and Ann Shulgin, but they are much less vocal than the men are.

Check out this list:

Erowid Character Vaults

I can't think of any movement where sexism is more frowned upon than the psychedelic movement, but even here it's mostly men who publish and do research.

Finarfin · 27/3/14

thanks for the list CM.
There is also a psychonautica podcast about this subject of the over representations of males in psychedelic research and culture. It,s psychonautica 90 if i remember correctly.

Check out: psychonautica podcast, psychedelic salon and some of the joe rogan podcasts.

zezt · 27/3/14

...Hmmmwe are going to have to radically have to agree to disagree here CM. I find your views rabidly patriarchal and would be deeply offended if I was a woman reading them. And I am afraid as is typical scientism takes the places of patriarchal dogma, which once believed women had no souls. NOW it is they are 'wired differently'. That is all BS. Absolute poppy cock. it paints a picture of a world with strict division into 'male' and 'female', black and white
I do not --thank the Goddess--see reality like this. take sexuality. Whenever you talk with homophobic people, and even some gay people, about sexual preference, the former will insist there should be definite sex. Males MUST fancy females and....well, hmmm I am sure many of these types dont mind a bit of lesbian porn, but for the sake of asymmetry --and females MUST fancy males.
Now seem I am gay, and I am 1000 percent more openminded about the possible mixxes of sexuality, and types. I KNOW that I am a mixture and BOTH feel and THINK. And I know many women who do too. And as for sex, well it is a spectum. You can have males who seem very feminine---watch some Emo porn, for example. Now those types of guys, although I am glad they add to the diveristy of life--do not really appeal to me sexually. I go for the scally type lol. And SO do seemingly 'normal' buisnessmen WHO may very well be married with kids, but fancy a bit of 'rough' on the quiet. In other words CM this is a very mysterious world full of interchangeable dynamic diversity. You cannot demand that 'A sex' is one way and another sex is another. And when it is pointed out that there IS a male dominance make out it is because science and Jung says it must be so. No no no.
it is more so that women feel inhibited from talking about psychedelics. it is not THAT long ago that the PATRIARCHAL Church&State persecuted, tortured, and mass murdered mostly women who were the sex who were closest to the knowledge and administering of herbs, including mind-changing vegetation. Women and plants go back very far into the past. But these women healers were seen as a great threat, and the Church and State came down savagely on them, and on the back of that horror the male-dominated medical establishment was established. And still to this fukin day natural vegetation like marijuana, and psychedelic fungi etc are prohibited by the State&Scientism. So the reluctance of women to get involved speaking openly about psychedelics and their uses and meaning could be due to the reverberations for those Burning Times

IF you think woman cannot think like mean you should read this very important book by a woman, Monica Sjoo, who exposes the patriarchy to its roots and beyond
[h=1]Return of the Dark/Light Mother or New Age Armageddon? Towards a Feminist Vision of the Future[/h]

Finarfin · 27/3/14

CM just posted a list of documents for psychonauts and you make it all about feminism. Don,t get me wrong, i am not against feminism, however i don,t think this tread is the place for this discussion. Pleas make a new tread if you want to discuss this issue i think this issue deserves a tread of his own.

Caduceus Mercurius · 1/4/14

Zezt, you are free to turn your back on biology, neurology and neurochemistry. Likewise I'm free to appreciate scientific progress. And there's no doubt about it that men and women have different bodies and therefore different nervous systems, modulated by different hormones. You may call it BS, but that doesn't change the facts.

You're gay. Your brain is also different from heterosexual men. Is that offensive to you? Since when is saying something is DIFFERENT offensive?

There's nothing offensive about saying something is different. It simply means an organism/being has a different focus, different strengths, different talents.

The difference has been the result of nature's ways in the course of a long period of evolution. Are you against nature? Is nature an evil patriarch? Of course not. It simply did what worked best. Men developed a certain way and women developed a certain way.

Now that we have established a more or less civilized society (rather than being hunter/gatherers, or religious fanatics), we have the possibility to evolve in new ways. Therefore we give men and women equal OPPORTUNITIES (to study whatever they want, to get a job in whatever field they're interested in, to join the Psychonaut forum etc.). But that doesn't make them physically or mentally equal. And so we shouldn't expect equal outcomes either. Men will gravitate towards certain interests and activities, and so will women.

zezt · 1/4/14

Finarfin a dit:
CM just posted a list of documents for psychonauts and you make it all about feminism. Don,t get me wrong, i am not against feminism, however i don,t think this tread is the place for this discussion. Pleas make a new tread if you want to discuss this issue i think this issue deserves a tread of his own.

No sorry no can do. I have as much right to point this patriarchal bias out in this forum and this thread as 'unknown' people seem to have a right to delete whole threads, and no one seems to give a shit about it.

I cannot stress to you enough the central importance of exposing patriarchal influence on this world and our psyche. It is in mythology, and deeply affects the psyche. Not just females but males too. So am I going to ignore its presence influencing the psychedelic movement, however small the venue? Think again. If your in denial about the significance of questioning what needs to be questioned that is your problem not mine.

zezt · 1/4/14

Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Zezt, you are free to turn your back on biology, neurology and neurochemistry. Likewise I'm free to appreciate scientific progress. And there's no doubt about it that men and women have different bodies and therefore different nervous systems, modulated by different hormones. You may call it BS, but that doesn't change the facts.

You're gay. Your brain is also different from heterosexual men. Is that offensive to you? Since when is saying something is DIFFERENT offensive?

There's nothing offensive about saying something is different. It simply means an organism/being has a different focus, different strengths, different talents.

The difference has been the result of nature's ways in the course of a long period of evolution. Are you against nature? Is nature an evil patriarch? Of course not. It simply did what worked best. Men developed a certain way and women developed a certain way.

Now that we have established a more or less civilized society (rather than being hunter/gatherers, or religious fanatics), we have the possibility to evolve in new ways. Therefore we give men and women equal OPPORTUNITIES (to study whatever they want, to get a job in whatever field they're interested in, to join the Psychonaut forum etc.). But that doesn't make them physically or mentally equal. And so we shouldn't expect equal outcomes either. Men will gravitate towards certain interests and activities, and so will women.

It is not fact at all. Read this:
[h=2]Why the Media’s Patriarchy Fueled Boner About ‘Hard-Wired Gender’ is Bullshit[/h]
by Eugene of Critical Theory:

Men are from Mars! Women are from Venus! Isn’t gender whacky?

In a world where many mainstream media outlets may espouse a certain kind of feminism-lite, it’s surprising to see them eagerly pick up on a story that says, in essence, that I’m a rational man and you’re a hysterical woman. It’s science!
Except the stories are bullshit, made possible by cherry-picking the study’s finding. The recent study, byProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was picked up by outlets like the LA Times, which proclaimed “Brains of men and women show strong hard-wired differences.” But the study actually concluded that this “hard-wiring” developed later in life.

The LA Times, like most other outlets, completely omitted that bit of information when it wrote:

Their maps of the brain’s so-called connectome, published online Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, matched observed behavioral differences between the sexes. Women did better at tests of attention, word and face memory and cognition. Men did better on spatial processing, motor skills and sensorimotor speed.
The results lend weight to growing evidence that humans have formed strong adaptive complementarity, suggesting that biological evolution predisposes the species to divide gender roles. That implication is sure to fuel debate over the roles of nature versus nurture and the interplay of function and structure within the human brain. But they also could inform treatment of neurological disorders known to vary by age and sex, such as autism and schizophrenia

Of course, not mentioned is the growing body of evidence that one’s environment can alter brain chemistry (social stress, for instance). Also omitted is the large corpus of studies on “stereotype threats,” where negative stereotypes about a group’s performance have been shown to lower performance by affected groups, like women and people of color. In other words, women who are told “girls are bad at math,” will perform worse than those who are not. Researchers have even come up with clever ways of avoiding this.
I watched in horror as two local newscaster (one male, one female) talked about the study and concluded that the man as “hunter” and woman as “nurturer” is possibly just a complimentary evolutionary arrangement.
But regardless of all that, the media is still wrong in the basic conclusions of the study. As New APPS points out, “it’s important to emphasize, as the authors do, that the study revealed very few gender differences in connectivity in children younger than 13 years of age.” If anything, it’s a reason to believe that our brain chemistry and wiring is highly influenced by our environment – that is culture, schooling and media.
And for the neuroscience field and it’s relation to studying sex and gender in general, we should be skeptical, argues Cordelia Fine:

“As an empirical endeavor,” Fine points out, “the neuroscience of sex differences began in earnest in the mid-nineteenth century,” when their findings were used to oppose women’s suffrage and equal rights in general. Still, it’s notable how these ideas have been resurrected, after a period in which gender differences, and sexism itself, were mostly seen as having historical, societal, and cultural roots. Nowadays, when we find ourselves in a society in which women still can’t quite have it all, it’s no surprise that old notions are making a comeback, with an assist from advanced brain imaging — used, as Fine says, “to reinforce, with all the authority of science, old-fashioned stereotypes and roles.”
…[Fine]casts a critical eye on the use of neuroscience not only to describe gender differences in behavior, but, increasingly, to excuse longstanding sex-based inequality and even to push for new forms of gender segregation, such as separate schools for boys and girls. Such arguments, Fine warns, often rest on scientific studies that are half-baked, ill-conceived — and as for how they’re presented to a general audience, she writes, “the sheer audacity of the overinterpretations and misinformation is startling.”
Why the Media

And so--- the media only presenting SOME of the info--reminds me very much of something I saw yesterday which is also very important to know and in relation to this. It is about how military officials were caught red-handed (their emails were exposed) PLANNING a "FALSE FLAG" attack. However the mainstream media did not mention the CRUCIAL info, eg 'false flag', and this is exactly what they do, and what the mainstream media reporting 'medical science info' is doing. And this is how they and thier masters manage perception. Not giving you all the information.

You should know as a psychoanuat that psychedelic experience never holds back, and presents us with MIND-BLOWING information. So we should learn from this, take it to heart, integrate this and question the matrix which sees fit to PREVENT and SUPPRESS and WARP and SPIN information!

[h=1]Media Buries Bombshell Turkey False Flag Attack[/h]

And by the way CM, regarding matrixes. How come you have been totally quiet about the disappearance/deletion of the "what is the matrix?" thread?

zezt · 1/4/14

Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Zezt, you are free to turn your back on biology, neurology and neurochemistry. Likewise I'm free to appreciate scientific progress. And there's no doubt about it that men and women have different bodies and therefore different nervous systems, modulated by different hormones. You may call it BS, but that doesn't change the facts.

You're gay. Your brain is also different from heterosexual men. Is that offensive to you? Since when is saying something is DIFFERENT offensive?

There's nothing offensive about saying something is different. It simply means an organism/being has a different focus, different strengths, different talents.

The difference has been the result of nature's ways in the course of a long period of evolution. Are you against nature? Is nature an evil patriarch? Of course not. It simply did what worked best. Men developed a certain way and women developed a certain way.

Now that we have established a more or less civilized society (rather than being hunter/gatherers, or religious fanatics), we have the possibility to evolve in new ways. Therefore we give men and women equal OPPORTUNITIES (to study whatever they want, to get a job in whatever field they're interested in, to join the Psychonaut forum etc.). But that doesn't make them physically or mentally equal. And so we shouldn't expect equal outcomes either. Men will gravitate towards certain interests and activities, and so will women.

It is not fact at all. Read this:

Why the Media’s Patriarchy Fueled Boner About ‘Hard-Wired Gender’ is Bullshit

by Eugene of Critical Theory:

Men are from Mars! Women are from Venus! Isn’t gender whacky?

In a world where many mainstream media outlets may espouse a certain kind of feminism-lite, it’s surprising to see them eagerly pick up on a story that says, in essence, that I’m a rational man and you’re a hysterical woman. It’s science!
Except the stories are bullshit, made possible by cherry-picking the study’s finding. The recent study, byProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, was picked up by outlets like the LA Times, which proclaimed “Brains of men and women show strong hard-wired differences.” But the study actually concluded that this “hard-wiring” developed later in life.

The LA Times, like most other outlets, completely omitted that bit of information when it wrote:
Their maps of the brain’s so-called connectome, published online Monday in the journal Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, matched observed behavioral differences between the sexes. Women did better at tests of attention, word and face memory and cognition. Men did better on spatial processing, motor skills and sensorimotor speed.
The results lend weight to growing evidence that humans have formed strong adaptive complementarity, suggesting that biological evolution predisposes the species to divide gender roles. That implication is sure to fuel debate over the roles of nature versus nurture and the interplay of function and structure within the human brain. But they also could inform treatment of neurological disorders known to vary by age and sex, such as autism and schizophrenia

Of course, not mentioned is the growing body of evidence that one’s environment can alter brain chemistry (social stress, for instance). Also omitted is the large corpus of studies on “stereotype threats,” where negative stereotypes about a group’s performance have been shown to lower performance by affected groups, like women and people of color. In other words, women who are told “girls are bad at math,” will perform worse than those who are not. Researchers have even come up with clever ways of avoiding this.
I watched in horror as two local newscaster (one male, one female) talked about the study and concluded that the man as “hunter” and woman as “nurturer” is possibly just a complimentary evolutionary arrangement.
But regardless of all that, the media is still wrong in the basic conclusions of the study. As New APPS points out, “it’s important to emphasize, as the authors do, that the study revealed very few gender differences in connectivity in children younger than 13 years of age.” If anything, it’s a reason to believe that our brain chemistry and wiring is highly influenced by our environment – that is culture, schooling and media.
And for the neuroscience field and it’s relation to studying sex and gender in general, we should be skeptical, argues Cordelia Fine:
“As an empirical endeavor,” Fine points out, “the neuroscience of sex differences began in earnest in the mid-nineteenth century,” when their findings were used to oppose women’s suffrage and equal rights in general. Still, it’s notable how these ideas have been resurrected, after a period in which gender differences, and sexism itself, were mostly seen as having historical, societal, and cultural roots. Nowadays, when we find ourselves in a society in which women still can’t quite have it all, it’s no surprise that old notions are making a comeback, with an assist from advanced brain imaging — used, as Fine says, “to reinforce, with all the authority of science, old-fashioned stereotypes and roles.”
…[Fine]casts a critical eye on the use of neuroscience not only to describe gender differences in behavior, but, increasingly, to excuse longstanding sex-based inequality and even to push for new forms of gender segregation, such as separate schools for boys and girls. Such arguments, Fine warns, often rest on scientific studies that are half-baked, ill-conceived — and as for how they’re presented to a general audience, she writes, “the sheer audacity of the overinterpretations and misinformation is startling.” source
Why the Media

And so--- the media only presenting SOME of the info--reminds me very much of something I saw yesterday which is also very important to know and in relation to this. It is about how military officials were caught red-handed (their emails were exposed) PLANNING a "FALSE FLAG" attack. However the mainstream media did not mention the CRUCIAL info, eg 'false flag', and this is exactly what they do, and what the mainstream media reporting 'medical science info' is doing. And this is how they and thier masters manage perception. Not giving you all the information.

You should know as a psychoanuat that psychedelic experience never holds back, and presents us with MIND-BLOWING information. So we should learn from this, take it to heart, integrate this and question the matrix which sees fit to PREVENT and SUPPRESS and WARP and SPIN information!

Media Buries Bombshell Turkey False Flag Attack

And by the way CM, regarding matrixes. How come you have been totally quiet about the disappearance/deletion of the "what is the matrix?" thread?

Caduceus Mercurius · 1/4/14

zezt a dit:
And by the way CM, regarding matrixes. How come you have been totally quiet about the disappearance/deletion of the "what is the matrix?" thread?

Because this weekend I was busy playing with my kids, and on Monday had to work again. But the mystery has been solved. BrainEater went full retard.

zezt · 1/4/14

Caduceus Mercurius a dit:
Because this weekend I was busy playing with my kids, and on Monday had to work again. But the mystery has been solved. BrainEater went full retard.

I truly am sorry to hear that. I love that guy. Please if you will can you send his email pm and I will see if he is alright?

Caduceus Mercurius · 1/4/14

zezt a dit:
I find your views rabidly patriarchal and would be deeply offended if I was a woman reading them.

There's nothing patriarchal about my stance. Patriarchy is "a social system in which males are the primary authority figures central to social organization, occupying roles of political leadership, moral authority, and control of property, and where fathers hold authority over women and children. It implies the institutions of male rule and privilege, and entails female subordination."

I have not said ANYTHING about these things. I have simply pointed out that in my life I have noted that in groups where men and women have equal opportunities (as in the counter-culture and psychedelic movement), you still see that men and women seek out different activities. There's nothing patriarchal about observing that this forum and most discussion boards like it have always been male-dominated. And there's nothing patriarchal about pointing out that men and women have a different hormonal system and therefore have developed a differently wired and modulated brain. Without those differences, a species would not be able to succesfully reproduce. The psychology of a mother MUST be different from that of a father. Absolute equality is not favored by nature. Some equality is there, but it's the difference that keeps the engine running.

You have associated me with the patriarchy and before that you have associated me with the council at Mâcon during which it was debated whether women have a soul. These comparisons are not very appropriate. They are not relevant. And they don't bring any useful argument into the discussion.

Men and women are two poles of one energy. They are both essential for existence. One is not better than the other. One is not superior to the other. As far as their VALUE is concerned, there is absolute equality. But their NATURE cannot be equal, and therefore their mental nature cannot either. It is better if there are differences.

The word patriarchy should be reserved for true patriarchies i.e. the Abrahamic religions, as well as other outdated customs (like India's caste system and institutionalized misogyny). That's what feminism SHOULD be focusing on. Actual, unquestionable inequality and abuse.

Finarfin · 1/4/14

zezt a dit:
No sorry no can do. I have as much right to point this patriarchal bias out in this forum and this thread as 'unknown' people seem to have a right to delete whole threads, and no one seems to give a shit about it.

I cannot stress to you enough the central importance of exposing patriarchal influence on this world and our psyche. It is in mythology, and deeply affects the psyche. Not just females but males too. So am I going to ignore its presence influencing the psychedelic movement, however small the venue? Think again. If your in denial about the significance of questioning what needs to be questioned that is your problem not mine.

I am not in denial about the significance of you questions. I think you are pointing something out worth talking about. I think you have a point.
That,s why i think opening a new thread about this may be a good thing.

Caduceus Mercurius · 2/4/14

Finarfin a dit:
I am not in denial about the significance of you questions. I think you are pointing something out worth talking about. I think you have a point.
That,s why i think opening a new thread about this may be a good thing.

I'd rather keep bumping THIS thread, because of its OP (documents that are of interest to all serious psychonauts). Moreoever, I have already presented my position here (and so has zezt), so I don't feel like repeating it elsewhere.

zezt · 2/4/14

And there's nothing patriarchal about pointing out that men and women have a different hormonal system and therefore have developed a differently wired and modulated brain.

CM, did you read the article I linked above which calls this 'fact' "bullshit"?

Caduceus Mercurius · 2/4/14

No. If you want to make a point, do so in your own words, and make sure it's relevant to the things I wrote. You can't expect others to read lengthy articles.

And whether someone calls those differences "bullshit" is irrelevant. Creationists call evolution bullshit and in an argument will urge me to read the Bible.

You have already made it clear you reject science (in this context biology and neurochemistry). That is fine. You are free to do so. But as soon as you reject the scientific method, we cease to have a common ground for exploring reality, and discussion becomes meaningless.

zezt · 2/4/14

it wasn't lengthy you lazy so and so.

How can you possibly understand issues unless you make efforts to read, listen and learn?

You are talkin BS

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