psychology and fear

[BrainEater]

maybe you have thought a little bit about that subject. i did that and also read some stuff... one idea is that psychological fear is essentially
still the same fear, but taking it to another level or making it more complicated. a related idea could be something like dream symbollism, where
maybe the symbols don't always stay the same. i think it's as if there can be a root of fear or so. in principle it makes sense to say that a lot of fears if not even all of them maybe could be rooted in death or the idea of it. but that is of course only speculation. and it can get more complex,
if you consider the idea of ego-death, which means in some sense, that it's not real death, but only the death of the imagined/perceived image of oneself that may not even be real at all...

for example i had the impression that i sometimes didn't even know exactly of what i was afraid of, but it was more like a vague impression or so.
an interesting notion is the illusion of fear or the fear of illusion. because in some way i feel like most fear is not even real, in the sense that when it's taken to a psychological level, having made it more complicated then it's simply madness or insanity in some way.
i think real fear is something different... it's basically an emotional signal that can tell us something.
i am rather convinced that a lot of people live in a constant state of fear. and that is not so surprising if you consider the idea of a system and the current state of the world etc etc... i am not wanting to suggest to be blind or stupid or anything like that. i am simply trying to make you a little a bit more aware of how it even almost (?) has become a science to use our own fears against us. maybe it means that we should become more aware of our choices. because maybe it means something that in the movie "the matrix" when neo meets the architect he says that the problem is choice...

hmm any thoughts??



peace

 

[zezt]

The term 'heresy' actually means 'to chose'

heresy
"an opinion of private men different from that of the catholick and orthodox church" [Johnson], c.1200, from O.Fr. heresie (12c.), from L. hæresis, "school of thought, philosophical sect," used by Christian writers for "unorthodox sect or doctrine," from Gk. hairesis "a taking or choosing, a choice," from haireisthai "take, seize," middle voice of hairein "to choose," of unknown origin, perhaps from PIE *ser- "to seize" (cf. Hittite šaru "booty," Welsh herw "booty").

In the Age of Religion which preceded so-called The Age of Reason, that dogma was all-pervasive and it was almost unthinkable to chose to not believe, hence the label, 'heretic', on those who did.

OUR fear now is the cult of scientism. Scientism is all-pervasive, maybe even more so. Because if you for whatever reason find you cannot cope with this 'reality' or matrix, all around and in us, then you can be labeled 'mentally ill' and then you find out how like the Inquisition are the people who would choose to 'help' you or 'treat' you. This is VERY real and many people have and are going through this very real cultural oppression, and like in the older days, those who cannot understand the matrix they are in, or through fear dare not challenge it, will not speak out against the abuse of others by the pushers of this oppression.

So I would say a deep fear we have is fear of feeling how we really feel for fear of seeming to others. and even to ourselves 'mentally ill'!

 

[BrainEater]

lol that's very interesting man. i noticed how a lot of the time dumbing down the people seems to be the only goal in order to suppress or oppress the people more effectively. it's so damn obvious at some point and so damn retarded really. it can also become more and more obvious how they don't want to let seem it obvious. so it's simply as boring as chess can be.

what i hate most is when people try to push others into accepting their retarded and limited paradigms and views of the world or so...
well i know that we all maybe have a propaganda machine or so in us.. some more and some less... but why can't some people learn??
obviously, it can be a tough lesson to see that you can't really change others, but they can only change themselves.

well, as i see it.. these times like many times before is a time of deception.. the deception propaganda pills get swallowed by a lot of people
and then it's as if they drag them down to their retarded levels and tell them it's not like this or like that etc etc... they just tell them almost
anything and they simply believe it, because they think they have to believe it or so... something like that... hmm so many people are simply slaves and behaving like robots and machines. and for many it's like when you try to show them who they are, they don't even want to see that lol...
basically you can either laugh or cry... i mean well yeah.. maybe they just don't know any better what they are doing and how they
always seem to try to drag you down to their retarded levels or so..
however fear is still the power and path of the dark side. hmm maybe all the negative shit is not really worth it in the end. but we may think it is necessary or so... hmm i only think what really matters is what we CAN learn from it or not...

i heard somewhere that the illusion of separation is supposedly an illusion of the mind. and that means that the separation is not really real, but only a mental construct or so in order to perceive and we also perceive thru the mind as the mind uses the senses... and if we base our feeling of reality on a mental construct where are we goign with that?? well i think you could have guessed, it would be a direction of illusion.
hmm anyway lol i hope any of that makes some sense lol... :razz:



peace

 

[zezt]

we are separated and we are not. Ie., from my learning the mis-take made --most likely a deliberate ploy by an elite, as usual--in the East was to assume that the actual reality is 'One'. In doing that they had to then make the duality of a 'One' and a 'many', with the latter becoming the inferior category. get me. This is very subtle dualism, and is exposed in the book The Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power

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[zezt]

I had to do another post because when I tried to type after putting out the link, all my text was looking like that lol
So, continuing, the danger of demanding that 'all is one' is that you may then create a nother category 'all is not one' and call that inferior. So it is better to explore how everything is both interrelated and diverse. it is a reality that you cannot grasp with categorization, or conceptualization. But what we DO have to understand is that all things/events are interrelated, and that understanding this is love and intelligence. This is the insight right use of psychedelics can give us, and then after the trip we carry on exploring and integrating these ecstatic insights

what i hate most is when people try to push others into accepting their retarded and limited paradigms and views of the world or so...
well i know that we all maybe have a propaganda machine or so in us.. some more and some less... but why can't some people learn??
obviously, it can be a tough lesson to see that you can't really change others, but they can only change themselves.

Well as you say, there are elite forces that make it their business to suppress consciousness, and the body, and they have devised numerous ways of doing this, a MASSIVE one being the enforced so-called 'education' system which captures millions of children from very young right through their growing up years!
but the spirit, or psyche--or whatever you want to call it is very powerful, and as you may know just asmall pinch of psychedelic can undo years and years of this matrix-induction. So what I do is all the time be aware of the pressure on us from all sides to think certain ways. So I am doing that for myself but also finding it a challenge to change people I come across if I feel they are caught up.

Like yesterday this person making a comment at youtube about 'the Jews' and how he laughs when he sees them in concentration camps (ya know in film footage, etc). So I just reminded him that 'the jews' is a conceptual category in his crain and what 'the jews' REALLY are are human beings like you are, and I added 'when you see a CHILD in the death camps do you laugh then?'--I haven't had a reply, but this kind of reply may have some effect even though he might not be consciously aware of it.

 

[BrainEater]

well the illusion of separation is an illusion of the mind. which means it has got to do with intelligence and perception. it can become very obvious how the intelligence and open-mindedness are being suppressed on large scales if you look at for example TV, other media or the education "system". it could well be compared to the middle ages and how the church acted. in that context it's all about authority and fear control. they try to hide the truth, but it's not that easy.. it's like we have to accept/allow the mind-imprisonment or else they can't do anything. in some way it's as if they ask, altho most of the time probably not that direct, "do you want to be slaves?". and the risk that exists with that is that we can begin to confuse truth with authority.

i would say the path of fear or so is not the way to go really. simply feel the emotion without suppressing it and then you can start to understand yourself better. i read in the book "the power of now" that emotions are supposedly the reaction of the body to the mind. so according to that logic all you have to do is to really listen to your body and understand it. as i said before psychological fear just makes the fear more complicated. also it has got to do with how time is very psychological and subjective...
what we have to do is to recognize how they want to mislead us and to cultivate awareness. if we are aware of it, we can transcend it.
it's similar to how a program works. let's say in the subconscious mind there are many programs working and as the description suggests, the mind is not fully conscious of them. so if the mind doesn't completely know what's going on with itself or what it's doing, it's rather obvious it's less likely that it can change it. so the key is to become more conscious of oneself in order to change. self-observation and self-transformation are the key words. you simply have to stop making yourself mad and just because everyone does that, it's not "normal" in any common sense way. if you have split your personality, there are ways to unify them again and find your center/balance etc etc... something like that..

well yeah it's all one and supposedly nothing is coincidence. which to me simply means it's beyond our comprehension. but still
ignorance is ruling large parts of the world. for example how politicians and business people lose the sense of feeling and empathy
and can become monsters. and i would say playing this rat race game or so is not really worth it at all. i think it will become more obvious how it is about real community and not the fake shit etc etc.
i think if you don't believe in the fear, but in yourself then nothing can really stop you. well to carry on with the matrix analogy, the agents will try to stop you, but if you can remember your true nature and being or so, they can't do anything. just free your mind and be yourself. life is a dream and if you are having a nightmare you can always wake up, right??? may the force be with you etc etc.. :-o:razz:



peace

 

[IJesusChrist]

I had an epiphanythe other day while very high, and beginning to feel paranoia on marijuana.

I said. "Why the fuck can't I just enjoy this?"

It cleared up like a rainy day to a sunny day. I've never had that feeling before - a complete dissolution of all fear.

 

[ararat]

hehe, viva la revolución

 

[BrainEater]

man amazing lol!!! :lol:
i have had that feeling a few times, but at least to some extent it seemed it almost always snapped back in some way or so...
maybe it means that i haven't understood myself completely or something like i maybe have understood it on a mental level or so, but not totally on a deeper level..
i think often it's really only ourselves standing in our own way and to see how this can be so, can be a shocking experience. but well it's also said that we can transcend or overstand or so the lower aspects/frequencies
of our beings.. i really think the key is awareness/consciousness. if you're really aware of yourself, you can change yourself.
like living in the moment etc etc... something like that.. ;-)
because fear is the mind-killer.
i read that buddhist philosophy is simply telling us to practice mindfulness and that can be done while
awake and asleep.



peace