Psilo + LSD, who has done this combo?

[Brugmansia]

I'm dreaming about this combo for a long while and nowadays feel brave enough to try it out. But it'd be very welcome to hear from someone what to expect and especially how strong the synergistic effect is. Now, I thought about doing 250 micrograms of acid and 3 grams of cubensis.

I had a hard time back in days on 30 grams fresh cubensis and 30 cm fresh San Pedro, I felt invisible and extremely inferior and small, didn't noticed my breath and heart rate and couldn't notice either the mushrooms or pedro individually. It got turned into a complete different very energetic trip which just looked like an alien effect of a drug I had never used before. Very speedy and awake. It lasted a good 12 hours and the time dilation was exceptional. The after glow remained much longer.

For those who're familair with shrooms + acid, which one of the two is likely to be more dominant, will it be an high will both the psilo and acid present, with crossing visuals, or more of a 'new high'? How did you experienced it psychologically? Compared with an acid or mushroom trip individually. And how is the duration affected?

Would maybe 125 micrograms and 2 gram cubensis a more sensible choice for a 1st journey?

 

[Forkbender]

I think there was someone on this forum who tried combining a low dose of both about a year ago. I vaguely remember him saying that the synergy was good.

Peyote and mushrooms was :lol: :shock:

 

[Brugmansia]

I know the synergy is a great harmony, that's why I want to try. But I wanna know the intensity of them working together, which makes it easier to get a general idea about the dose to pick.

I have some suspicions about going to slow with the lower dose I had in mind, I want to be overwhelmed and speechless about the beauty of a new found psychedelic glory, just like the first time on LSD, mescaline, shrooms or DMT individually. But neither I want to go too fast that it prevents me from any thought construction or the full recognision of music tracks.

 

[ochho]

I think that if I were to try that combination, I would go for 200 micrograms LSD, 2.5g shrooms.

Because if you are looking for that mystical feeling of a first-time full blown experience, 125 micrograms might be too few. Again, I have no idea.. it's just an opinion, but maybe the LSD and psylo don't boost eachother but more like act in harmony.
But if they do boost eachother, then I don't think that such a dose will be way too overwhelming, but quite strong for sure.

So, "I" would say somewhere between your 2 proposed dosages (125~250 mcgrs / 2~3.5grs) but that's just me..and based only on my experience with LSD and what I have read/been told about LSD and shrooms. (haven't got the chance to try shrooms yet)

But do tell us your experience if/when you do go ahead with it! I am curious as to what kind of effects would mixing 2 psychedelics have.

 

[Brugmansia]

Yeah, I'd agree, but I cannot go between 125 and 250. I think I'll just take 250 with 2.5 grams then with a sober mindset of anything can happen.

 

[Forkbender]

I think that would be a good dose for you. May I ask why you cannot go in between 125 and 250?

 

[Razor29]

shrooms really take over the trip

we took the acid first

we took a couple of drops each it was a large amount

and after about 3 hours we ate 2.5 grams of shrooms

once we ate the shrooms it became more of a shroom trip then an acid trip

it was kinda different but nothing special

its hard to explain what was different but i can tell you i have no interest of doing it again

take acid by it self or mushrooms by them selves do you really need to mix these two (i still want to try ketamine + lsd since LSDXM is super amazing)

 

[mrvitorsky]

Ive done that and It was a very intense trip, Id describe it as, well just tripping the hype effects of LSD and the calm effect of shrooms cancelled out and i just tripped really hard. It was 5 50 mg tabs and an 1/8th, there was no relenting on the movement of my minds eye and it got so intense that i was sure that that was reality in fact i still am sure that's reality. But all good, try it.

Mind is the only solid ness
God I am drunk and im so sure non of this is real, non of it. I wanna try to kill some one to test it out but if im wrong theres no turning back... so no but god how i want too try.. just so i wake up... i wanna wake up so bad. the sane and the insane fighting what do i do fuck it... fuck this it aint real fuck this aint real this isnt real not real not real we are no where kill me kill me kill me let me fucking be kill me kill me, i know i was put in the institution at 7 or 11 and god just let me out..

 

[st.bot.32]

Did you ever get around to trying out this combo brugmansia?

Also how would you time it, acid first, munch later?

I'm curious, i have like 70-80mics (maybe even less, this is just a guess) left. which is pretty much too little to use by itself. it's impossible to get more, and it would be a shame to waste it. i'm thinking about combining it with psilo at some point if I get a chance to find some and can figure out how to go about it.

 

[afer]

1 hit of Shiva acid coupled with 1 gram of dried shrooms from Amsterdam [dunno the species] were absolutely great. That's the best combo I've tried so far. Cannabis is, of course, welcome.
NOTE: Shrooms were made into the tea. The acid was consumed 30 minutes before the tea. You could find my report on this combo somewhere on this forum.

 

[st.bot.32]

Found it, thanks! Did the synergy you describe only last as long as the mushroom tea then descend back into the effects of the LSD, or did it more or less extend throughout the entire trip?
http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php...ge=viewtopic&p=72364&highlight=&lang=nl#72364

 

[afer]

The effects were pretty much consistent during 6-7 hours or so, then a steady return to the baseline, much like with acid. Overall this was like an acid trip was "grounded" somehow, there was no mindfuck or agitation/drowsiness...visuals were also altered. Ideal for a silent evening at home with friends, I'd say :wink:

 

[Brugmansia]

At Bot, not yet, I recently changed jobs and had some other changes going on in such a short time that I want to earth myself a bit before I step into this. But I'll definitely share my experience once I went through it.

 

[st.bot.32]

Wonderful combo. A bit different than either separately on the ins and outs but the peak itself was stable, clear, coherent. During the peak consciousness became a slow frame-by-frame.. ego fractured and dissolved.. the entire experience sent me to a place of such rational and utter tranquility, from which, free of reactionary emotions, I went deep into certain parts of my psyche and had some of the most useful insights I've had on such a journey in a while.. early memories coming back to me as well. After coming out of the peak into the plateau I started writing and kept at it for nearly a day, so many insights and metaphors.. simply grand.

 

[Brugmansia]

Seems like a profound experience. :heart: I'll look ahead with pleasant excitement.

 

[Brugmansia]

Wow! Brilliant! One of the most benefitical experiences of my life. I chewed presicely 2 grams and dripped 1 unit of 125 ug. This is typically an example how dose becomes partly a relative factor. I also dared to fast a bit more severe than usual, only strawberry's, apples, banana's yesterday.

It took a while before before I could find comfort and in the beginning it were the mushrooms being the dominating party. I'd say their effects were accelerated to a usual mushroom trip of 3 grams when the brightness of acid became audible.

When the acid reached it's first plateau, I tried to deny my state of mind. When I looked ahead knowing I still had a good 6 hours to go, guessed this approximately, I got a sense of despair and was convinced that I already knew the message, but the spirit of these two gave an obvious signal that I could not fool myself with any unreal faith or belief to get an easy way out. Must admit I had some phases here where I doubted the point of psychonautism... I had insights over the trips I had done the last year and became aware of the number of times I trip, and how I more or less choosed this reality over life.

Hands became sweaty, and I told myself I was the one who wanted this but everytime I tried to search for an actual solid reason why I stepped into this, my mind kept hanging into worrisome about my heart and mental sanity. From here on it was typically the warmth and stimulation of acid which made the shift to the next phase. It fused with the mushroom in harmony.

I gave up looking for anything, got on my bed laying sideways, spontaneously the awareness of my heartbeat vanished, got some relief and swirling patterns and fractals appeared as data, somewhat similar as with smoked DMT but a bit different in structure and colours. Ego dissolved as long as I kept my eyes closed, but with open eyes control regained itself a bit.

http://www.abstractdigitalartgallery.co ... sytrip.jpg

I pressed the play button of my MP3 player and Radiohead's Everything in it's right place began, it was as this song was made for the entheogenic realm. I felt 4 sounds individually and saw beautiful fractals switching into my dark inner universe coming from 4 sides apart, the sensorial distortions made sense and got a quick insight about the sober reality which was seen as a 1 dimensional struggle. This glance was exactly the instinctive flash I needed to get the point of me being here.

Euphoria had set in, I kept going and had multiple valuable insight about life, much more diverse and stretched than usual. The presence of God within was an accurate decription. The heart of entheogenic peace and contentment.

After 4 hours the mushrooms began the wear a bit off and every minute I got more aware of Lucy's effects individually with the fresh tranquillity of coming down from the mushrooms. The fierce visuals had turned to minor traces now.

I kept this nice pumped bodyload for another 5 hours, the lighthearted spirit and inner peace continued as well during this time, occasionally still a double eye sight and a mild deformed perception, incidental the return of mild CEV's. I still had to be careful as I noticed that too much control in my behaviour could trigger a sort of mental bug.

The role of LSD had been significant in this experience, mushrooms alone always last a bit too short for me and once they're over, even after at a big dose, I get a bit nostalgic. But acid took care of a longer lasting remaining fragility which at last brought me here today, still feeling the pleasant airiness of the ''screwed'' hours. It'll fade into an organised and open mind for a good period of time. :wink:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Interesting, and good to hear that the trip did end with euphoria. The feelings of doubt, discomfort and dispair do not surprise me. As I wrote in another thread twelve days ago:

Brugmansia, at this point in time transit Uranus is conjunct your natal Moon. Uranus moves slowly, so this is one of the major transits, which will last a couple of weeks or months. The conjunction is a harmonious aspect, so your mind may be subjected to many new ideas and feelings. You may feel more intuitive than usual, and more excited about things. There may also be unexpected changes related to your home or mother.

You may not feel very excited however, as Saturn entered Leo this morning, and is now opposing your natal Moon as well. This disharmonious aspect of Saturn gives us the impression that some of the changes brought about by Uranus are not to your liking. For about two weeks you may feel kind of sad or depressed, or there may be some problems at home or with your mother. Fortunately around the beginning of October Jupiter will form a trine with your Moon, which will make you feel more enthusiastic and happy again. By that time Saturn will also have moved on (beyond the 5 degrees of orb range).

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Must admit I had some phases here where I doubted the point of psychonautism...

During my acid trip last week I had similar thoughts. But maybe not so much about psychonautism itself, but about tripping without incantations and a sacred setting. The difference between listening to recorded music and what happened when I heard a prayer was remarkable. The music allowed my mind to drift in all kinds of directions, but the incantation instantly took me into sacred realms. Very, very powerful.

 

[Brugmansia]

Interesting.

I'm not so much inclined to head towards pre calculations as I prefer to [ melt ] frivolous into the pool with no solid contours, to discover an essence fully based on my presence with no structured codes or intentions. It actually begins once the come down comes into sight.

The elongated phases which opened up many forgotten memories and emotions were remarkable, I got in touch with the deepest fundaments which draws me to embrace life itself. Not merely biologically, but also personal grounds. The diverse private aspects shall not enter the public domain. So the description was more of a general frame.

The combination shouldn't be underestimated, it's definitely powerful in a way that it requires the brain to process a lot of running information while having to adapt new unlocked parts of the self.

The loop will continue to enfold my mind the forthcoming weeks, or even longer. It was an agglomeration of things coming together.

 

[st.bot.32]

I'm not so much inclined to head towards pre calculations as I prefer to [ melt ] frivolous into the pool with no solid contours, to discover an essence fully based on my presence with no structured codes or intentions.

I'm the same way.. Well, more I've come to feel that way, especially over the past year. I feel psychedelics can be powerful self-programming tools.

The elongated phases which opened up many forgotten memories and emotions were remarkable, I got in touch with the deepest fundaments which draws me to embrace life itself. Not merely biologically, but also personal grounds. The diverse private aspects shall not enter the public domain. So the description was more of a general frame.

Something very similar happened to me, it was remarkable. The memories triggered by my experience still are re-kindling other memories I'd almost forgotten. Some real insights into fundamental, lifelong parts of my psyche..

The combination shouldn't be underestimated, it's definitely powerful in a way that it requires the brain to process a lot of running information while having to adapt new unlocked parts of the self.

In my trip, for me anyway, a lot of the discomfort I was feeling was just me, at some internal level, preventing myself from asking the really hard questions that were coming up. Once I realized that and I let go and started asking those questions, I found myself in that place of such utter tranquility. Mythos and logos in perfect balance.. that's what comes to mind now that I think about the experience.