Pharmahuasca recipe?

[HeartCore]

Jodels all,

This weekend I'm going to extract some peganum harmala to use with my extracted DMT. My goal is a full spectrum aya trip. I know how much of the MAOI to take but what would be a good dose DMT in milligrams?

I read somewhere 120mg but that seems a lot.

HOPEFULLY my girlfriends EXTREME sensitive stomach will be able to hold this in.

 

[DevXavier]

Probably not.

Even tough stomachs don't like the aya.

 

[HeartCore]

Probably not.

Even tough stomachs don't like the aya.

Yes but I've extracted the compounds. Appearently, extracted harmala from rue comes no where near the nausea that happens with crushed seeds. I read reports claiming this way there is no nausea at all.

So I'm just after dosage info

 

[scamie]

Why dont you smoke 30-50 mg?

 

[scamie]

VVVVVVVeryyy nice extraction indeed indeed.. good job

 

[HeartCore]

Why dont you smoke 30-50 mg?

Scamie, yes I will do that but I need courage my friend

Planned it for friday anyway, that day my second batch should be dried and ready to be tried. I planned this two weeks ago also but found a good excuses.

But but but....

My girlfriend has had this stomach operation three years back. Due to this operation, her stomach is extremely sensitive. She can become sick for an hour from 30 grams of fresh shrooms. Needless to say that I'm a little worried about her taking aya. Then I read that people have great experiences with extracted MAOI's from rue and combine that with extracted DMT to produce a nausealess, aya experience.

Thats the goal of my experiment and question here.

Thanks for the comment, it was indeed an awesome extraction, 1.6 grams from 250 grams of rootbark.

 

[Brewmaster]

I don't know anything about harmala extractions but I've found that people usually go overboard with the MAOIs. 1-2 grams of Syrian rue is enough to nullify those enzymes in your stomach. Actual Ayahuasca vine ( Banistereopsis Caapi ) has many, many other alkaloids that combine with the MAOIs that produce a very different effect than rue. That's why I don't think it's fair to call Mimosa and rue Ayahuasca. It's called Jurema. Look it up.
Anyway, the best advice I can give is to take 2 grams of rue ( this is what usually makes people sick ) and wait a half hour before the mimosa/ dmt.
I usually take 1.5 and I'm a pretty big dude. No need to take 5-10g. like I always hear of people doing.
By the way, I'm trying a brew with d. cabrerana leaves for the first time this weekend as opposed to psychotria viridis. I've read that they can be 2-5 times as potent as p. viridis, has anyone got a suggestion of a good starting amount of cabrerana?

 

[HeartCore]

Brewmaster: Trust me, even 2 grams of rue will make my girlfriend very sick.

Waiting 30 minutes after taking the harmala poses a risk by the way. Better is to wait 15/20 minutes. If you dont, you run the risk of becoming very sick for hours and you will not be able to drink any of the mimosa.

Names, what's in a name. Call it what you like, to me its the same deal. I've experienced jungle vision, healings from the godess etc.. on Jurema. I've tried to brew traditional aya a number of times with no succes at all. We would drink the brew, lay down and wake up the next morning.

Anyway, still looking for info about oral DMT dosis for maximum effect

 

[Brewmaster]

Just get yourself a really good scale, weigh out 20mg and smoke it to the face! It's weird, I was posting on this site yesterday and I have never even seen crystalized DMT before, though I've used Aya maybe 8 times. But I get home from work and a good buddy who just got back from "Gathering of the Vibes" up in new yawk stops by and has a tiny little baggy of the shit. He asks me if I have any ashes to put in his one hitter before putting the crystals in. I offer him a little powdered peyote instead and he takes a hit. Before he spaces out he tells me to hit it and also that it melts and sticks to the inside of the pipe so it doesn't look like theres anything in there but you smoke the "resin" while heating up the pipe. I didn't get anything but a nasty burnt rubber taste that was very similar to the two times I smoked rock. If I wasn't so drunk I would've straight refused the shit. But I digress, I have no idea how much of that shit you should eat but I wish you and your lady friend the best of luck. Have you checked out Erowid for any suggestion on dosage?

 

[tryptonaut]

There's this report on erowid about a totally insane pharmahuasca trip with 150mg extracted harmaline and 40mg extracted 5-MEO-DMT:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34866

It's pretty long, but it's an interesting read!

Put aside the insane intensity of the trip that this guy experienced, it seems like all of the group had to throw up at least once during the session, even they only had extracted chemicals

 

[Forkbender]

May I ask what is wrong with throwing up? Of course you tend to associate it with being sick and not feeling healthy, but it is a perfectly natural way for your body to be cleansed of toxins. What makes throwing up nasty is the fear of throwing up. In this case you start to fight it and you become even more nauseous. Nausea is a sign for your body to stop fighting whatever's inside and throw it out. I don't know about your girlfriends stomach, but throwing up doesn't damage anything, because it is a natural function of the body.
Good luck with it, though.

 

[skrudge]

That's true forkbender, but there's something I keep questioning myself. Why do you need to ingest a substantion like ayahuasca to trigger this reaction? If there are toxins in your body, wouldnt your body react to them instantly and throw them out?
For example, when I do mdma, I have to throw up most of the time I do it. Ok, you feel great afterwards, but I still think this is because my body can't cope with the mdma.
Plus, throwing up too often isn't good at all. the acids can burn holes in your stomach and throat. I even threw up some deep black substance once... i still wonder what that was...blood?

With ayahuasca I think it's a combination of a mental and physical release of 'things', the need to feel free afterwards, so you can start the trip totally 'fresh'.
To me throwing up isn't that akward anymore, cause I did it so many times. My sister though has some kind of throw-up-phobia, and she hasn't puked since she was 10, and she's 19 now. It's just what you make of it.

 

[Pazusu]

I'll do my prayers for you, this friday, HeartCore and your beloved.

 

[HeartCore]

May I ask what is wrong with throwing up? Of course you tend to associate it with being sick and not feeling healthy, but it is a perfectly natural way for your body to be cleansed of toxins. What makes throwing up nasty is the fear of throwing up. In this case you start to fight it and you become even more nauseous. Nausea is a sign for your body to stop fighting whatever's inside and throw it out. I don't know about your girlfriends stomach, but throwing up doesn't damage anything, because it is a natural function of the body.
Good luck with it, though.

I can assure you there is a massive difference between natural throwing up and what my girlfriend is experiencing. There is no other way she would be able to experience dmt this way without being sick constantly.

Postponed btw, the sirian rue wasnt in in time to extract.

 

[Pazusu]

..then I'll save those prayers... :wink:

 

[HeartCore]

I don't know about your girlfriends stomach, but throwing up doesn't damage anything, because it is a natural function of the body.

I just want to comment quickly on this Fork. See you dont know my girlfriends stomach. Over two years ago, her stomach was made smaller because she suffered overweight since she was about 4 and nothing else seemd to work.

This operation worked but has nasty sideeffects.

She has to go for control every few months
As far as I understand, there is a risk of the operation to 'roll back.

What I was told is that they put some sort of band around her stomach to make it smaller. When I think of it, I can easily imagine how extrame vomiting could cause problems with that band. I'm no doctor. I just know my girlfriend and saw her vomiting after 30 grams worth of mushroom tea. This went on for 2 hours and made her stomach hurt for 2 days.

So I'm going to ask you Fork, would you still have no problems with vomiting if it would hurt you for two days afterwords and it would make you extremely sick and uncomfortable the first few hours in the trip?

I dont think so

 

[Forkbender]

Yes, HC, I recognize the difficulties in all of this, that's why I said "I don't know about your girlfriends stomach".... In this case, it might be hard to take. Anyway, good luck with it.

 

[HeartCore]

Yes, HC, I recognize the difficulties in all of this, that's why I said "I don't know about your girlfriends stomach".... In this case, it might be hard to take. Anyway, good luck with it.

Ah ok sorry about the reaction then.

Peace.