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novelty theory, symbiosis, singularity

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With all due dedication to this forum, I would like to share this new community I'm trying to get off the ground as I haven't been able to find much in-depth online discussion about these wonderful ideas from Terence McKenna. And to keep a discussion here going, this would also be a nice place for this. What are your ideas about the exponential increase in novelty, are psychedelics the proper means of preparing for a potential impending singularity? What have been your insights into this phenomena through the use of psychedelics? McKenna was once mentioning that the internet is the light at the end of the tunnel, and that through the creation of a virtual reality collectively, an alien or neo-human life force can be "downloaded" into our culture.

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w0000000t??????
why would we want to prepare for possible singularities?? what would these be?? mind control?? a black hole?? or just unified consciousness??

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I personally think McKenna is a crackpot.

But, I don't speak for everyone on this forum- clearly.
 
Well, I think because the population at large doesn't seem to be able to confront their own psyche, and that the advances and discoveries in science are pointing to a material irrationality. The materialistic, monotheistic, existential paradigm is what is in place in the world at large, which led us into a growing crevice of repression upon repression to the point of utter terror of the unconscious and any question which lies outside the contours of the ego, not to mention a mechanistic aversion to any ideas (not paradigms or ideologies, but IDEAS and visions) that are out of the ordinary or marginalized. The truth is beyond auditory language as symbology at this point. The leading discoveries in physics point to the idea that an observer is necessary for a physical event to take place, on top of the nature of matter being particles? Waves? I know next to nothing about physics or any kind of science and what I'm frankly regurgitating may as well be complete bullshit. Likewise, any idea of prophets or gurus is out of the question; a circumstantial talent to articulate the accumulated information (which I think people like McKenna and McLuhan had, and were subsequently banalized by the media and the internet respectively) about our position within evolution and simply communicate it with people is the virtue, because, through psychedelics and the internet, everyone is a guru, no matter what your age or appearance. The internet is an anonymous cradle of information, and this information includes historical and contemporary writings on the transcendental experience, which blasts one out of the materialistic, monotheistic existential predicament. The egocentricity which naturally accumulated in public speakers about these issues in the past is precisely what seemed to lead them into dead ends, since their message was the realm bereft of ego. In any case, this repressed mass culture is not on par with the flow of science and technology, which is expanding its possibilities, densities of information and leading us into very strange territory which stands teetering on the line between the objective-material and subjective-symbiotic worlds. I think the singularity may as well be something as simple as human beings and their environment. I think the idea of the end of history is very valid; every historical culture, movement and event had no point of reference to other cultures, movements and events from the past. Now we're headed straight towards a global shopping mall based on a dominator hierarchical system, ever divided.

I think McKenna's summary in a nutshell is the stressing of EXPERIENCE over SYMBOLIC EXPRESSION and the construction of a community which shares this value in EXPERIENCE and uses language loosely and not ideologically to create a sense of being in this together instead of being an experientialist alienated and subsequently swallowed whole by the nihilistic consumer culture.
 
Yeah I think you've been reading too much psychadelia.

Although for the most part what you say is true, the EXTENT of what you are describing isn't that catastrophic. We aren't on the verge of everything - that is our perception of time, however. The 50's we thought we'd have flying cars by now, the 90's we thought we'd have laser guns by now, now, in 2010 we think that by 2020 the entire world is going to be a walmart, with fat, power hungry people in business suits and briefcases trading off other people's information.

It just doesn't happen like this, maybe if we were all on mushrooms 24/7 shit would get done alot faster, but the way we are now, there is no reason to believe that we are approaching any type of singularity...

I have to ask you, what will you be doing on February 1st, 2013?
 
I didn't mean to imply that I believe in the necessity of an oncoming singularity, I just think that the level of exponentially increasing complexity in the world is both something I experience and have objective evidence of within the course of history, and that entheogen use is the most effective agent to take out the trash and face whatever it is, whenever it will come, without or at leased with a decreased amount of fear. I think the thing to really stress is that when people that talk about these things do talk about them, there ought be a mutual understanding of not taking words seriously and going for direct experience. This isn't to say language is invalid, but can be used effectively as a loose sort of tool, not to be used for ideologies, but to communicate possibilities, explore potentialities, taking them all with a grain of salt.

Yes in the 50's there were more complex imaginations of what reality would be like 50 years from them, yes maybe 15 years ago people likewise had extravagant dreams about now. In the 19th century, no one dreamed of a computer. I frankly don't think it matters how much "time passes" or whether "2012" will be the year. The whole idea of time seems to me irrelevant. It's just that all the pieces seem to be in place for the melding of the world of the within and the without as it pertains to mass culture. I mean if you envision and experience a "singularity", whatever it may mean to you, that may as well be it. The fact is that the mind is polluted and the individual locked within a consumer society is afraid and turns away from the strange, the irregular and the new from an unconsciously ingrained dominant philosophy that "in the large scheme of things, you don't matter". What danger is there in discussing a singularity even though it may not be "real" whatever that means anymore, and "when" it will happen, whatever that means anymore?

There's no implication that the walmart scenario you described is what's going to happen. Again, it just seems that all pieces are in place, what with the nanoscaling of technology and the macroscaling of information within this physical technology.
 
I don't exactly know what we're getting at with this anymore, feels like theres too many subjects to cover.
 
Yeah it may have went astray. I'm simply very interested in all these topics and want to hear what other people have to say about them.
 
You should slow down, relax, and realize we too want to talk about all of them - just approach them one by one... atleast that would be better for me to give a helpful and beneficial response to you...
 
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