New Forum Rules

[user_1919]

I guess I shall start the thread, anyone and everyone post what you think is acceptable for this forum. Try to be reasonable and open minded to what others want.

Only rule I would like to see if that EVERYONE is treated equally, with respect and love for one another. This is all I ask.

peace, love, light & unity!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I would like to thank you for starting this thread.

Seems like you started off with the best rule of all, but I'm curious what the others have to add.

The one that came up to me was the following:

That no one shall be declared mentally retarded or in need of a mundane psychiatrist, simply for having a certain opinion, interest or worldview.

The assumption will be that we're all sane human beings, simply with different personalities and backgrounds. If you think someone is in need of professional help, medication or rehab, contact the moderators through a PM. If it's indeed serious, they will do their best to encourage the member to get the proper support.

 

[Brugmansia]

If one has truly flew detached from desire there's no need take up one's residence somewhere though. The conqueror of psychonaut is about to be born... one standing ovation and a trophy.

 

[Brugmansia]

I stand behind the suggestion of the topicstarter. My love for this place, despite the consternation it has been gone through, is still too much to believe one would mark someone else with a firm opinionated sticker to turn the back upon for keeping self tribute. In the proper sense this is choosing fine oblivion. Debt is a narrow path, it's money. Values are hard to create, let it be our challenge through thick and thin.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Last night I posted the following in another topic. Now that user_1919 has kindly opened a separate topic about it, I think what I wrote last night should be mentioned here.

I think this would be helpful:

Create a topic where everyone can make suggestions about new forum rules. Let everyone who has ever felt abused on this forum, not just challenged but abused and shamed, or simply disturbed by the actions or words of others, add his or her forum rules. Collect them for a couple of days or weeks, and let someone ask if GOD has any rules to add. Then present this list of suggested rules to Dr.Leospace. Dr.Leospace is a busy man, so the thread should be condensed, hence no discussions about the rules suggested by others (perhaps open a separate thread for that purpose), just let everyone add suggestions that could be useful. Let Dr.Leospace select which ones he thinks are reasonable and desirable for this website. Let someone combine the different rules into a coherent whole, determine how they will be implemented (first a warning, etc.) and invite GOD back in.

Once the rules are clear, they must be strictly observed by everyone and acted upon by the moderators, without regard for someone's status, learning, post count, popularity, or whatever it may be. I will submit myself to these rules, and gladly follow the instructions of the moderators guided and obligated by such rules. When the site is ready for it, appoint several global moderators.

I know some of you feel this website doesn't need rules. I beg to differ, if only because the site owner simply cannot keep track of everything that's going on around here, and there must be some consensus regarding what kind of behavior is acceptable and what is not, and what the moderators can and cannot do.

Yes, we already have forum rules, but they appear to have been copied from some other website, and are too superficial for the kind of people and situations that we have here.

 

[magickmumu]

I guess I shall start the thread, anyone and everyone post what you think is acceptable for this forum. Try to be reasonable and open minded to what others want.

Only rule I would like to see if that EVERYONE is treated equally, with respect and love for one another. This is all I ask.

peace, love, light & unity!

When you check out the forum rules you'll see that a rule of mutual respect is alreay in place

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

When you check out the forum rules you'll see that a rule of mutual respect is alreay in place

Yes, but it's incredibly vague and open to personal interpretation. Whoever wrote down this rule didn't do so on the basis of the dynamics at this website. I mean: taking advantage of someone's physical handicaps? Race? Gender? These have never been issues around here.

Mutual respect
Mutual respect between all forum users. This means you won't ever start a discussion with someone else while making advantage of someone else's behavior, possible physical or mental handicaps, race or gender. Do not actively react to personal remarks by others and refrain from posting stuff solely to offend people.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

The last two lines are quite clear. As long as woman are opressed in this space there will be no community, only feasts of friends, and behold this is not even real life.

I sooo have to shut up right now it's not even funny. Because this is one of my bad attributes, I tend to land on people who lied or kept a lie of silence before. I am willing to sever that part of me in honor of the woman who fought for their freedom of expression here, it should be considered my sacrifice.

Lets pick up those bricks and build houses instead of walls... life lived is life forgiven.

 

[HeartCore]

1) Decent behavior, no name calling. If it becomes a ruile, I'll be nice again too and have no reason (anymore )to do so to point the obvious sideeffects of not having such a rule (EVERY forum in the world with the exception of the George Carlin forum, has such a rule).

2) If you are not interested in a topic, stay the fuck out of the topic

3) If a topic exists with references to various sources and books, make sure you actually know what's in these sources and books before you reply.

4) No clones allowed, by registering on the forum, you promise you will not open a second or third.

5) Forums have a title for a reason. No suicide notes in the Art forum, no new age bullshit in the psychonaut forum, no LSD shit in the Cannabis forum etc...


6) Most important: ENFORCE the rules

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Should the "Art & Philosophy" section perhaps be split into an "Art" and a "Philosophy" section?

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

If psychonaut's Heart-core finds it upsetting that I open philosophical discussions about suicide and my naked self cannot be considered art, then it might be a good idea...

 

[Bastiaan]

Perhaps there should be something more specific on moderater duties and don'ts, and what the procedure's are for certain activities (like banning a member, etc.)
Or are these already in place in the mod forum?
I think a lot of confusion came out of that, at least for me it was not obvious what these rules were.
Then again, maybe it's because I'm not a mod (not that I want to)

 

[user_1919]

I was wondering if anyone had time to open a word document and make a condensed list of this? I mean just copy and paste peoples suggestions without warping their words, and then we can post it back on here and maybe even condense it some more. I would do it myself but I am very busy and would take me a while. If someone had time it would be greatly appreciated.

peace, love, light & unity!

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Again, about the Mutual Respect rule, there was a discussion about that one about two months ago: "Mutual Respect". It's interesting to read again. Things were said in that thread that are directly linked to last week's mess.

But back to the purpose of this topic, another rule:

It is not allowed to post pornographic, gory, obscene, racist, sexist, hateful, intolerant or violent statements, pictures or videos.

(If this rule would be implemented, it might be a good idea to include the definitions of pornographic, racist etc., so as to avoid confusion and disagreement later on.)

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

In the other thread Meduzz mentioned that in his opinion, the following should be in the forum rules.

"Some jerk is calling me names, I'm pissed and wanna rumble!"

Don't do it. If some wise-ass starts trouble with you, report the thread to a moderator a.s.a.p. Just because he started something with you does NOT mean that you should finish it. The moderators will not take your side simply because you felt provoked and defended yourself.

Keep this in mind: If you take matters into your own hands and decide to retaliate by posting negative material, you are further disrespecting the integrity and sanctity of the the board. Now, instead of just one jerk posting garbage, there are two. So Please, don't fly off the hook when provoked by a bully because you think your cause is just. At the time, it may seem that you are hurting no-one, but any post that compromises the Peaceful nature of [this forum] hurts us all.

This was written by Hippy3. If we want to include this in our forum rules, it must be rephrased in our own words.

 

[Brugmansia]

It lies not so much in drawing refreshed lines but it's more a matter of how we adapt during dialogues. A more elongated intro perspective check before we share our state of mind in a message, but maybe it's just me who's missing the point.

All the modifications of messages/threads/power action could have been repaired with honesty. Repairing inbalanced karma is much more of a journey.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I need to eat some san pedro... This is eating my brain up...

I really feel like I cannot express myself anymore without breaking a few egos up (no pun intended to anyone in particular, feels like a field effect)...

so perhaps I'm more responsible for the trouble that it seems... perhaps my cause was just as well... it's hard to tell because of the subtle nature of these discussions. Thing is, I went off the hook many times and directly lashed at others, so I still think about dissipating storms everyday.

Thats makes me a human of questionable identity... chaos and order in balance in a being. You can all rest in peace however I am not going to plant a flag wherever I go...

She shines
In a world full of ugliness
She matters
When everything is meaningless

Fragile
She doesnt see her beauty
She tries to get away
Sometimes
Its just that nothing seems worth saving
I cant watch her slip away

I wont let you fall apart

She reads the minds of all the people as they pass her by
Hoping someone can see
If I could fix myself id-
But its too late for me

I wont let you fall apart

Well find the perfect place to go where we can run and hide
Ill build a wall and we can keep them on the other side
But they keep waiting
And picking

Its something I have to do
I was there, too
Before everything else
I was like you

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I think that we must then create a rule that does not exclude challenging of ideals, there must be opposition to ideas within the context of other rules.

I'm not so much for "respect" as for "honor", and each member must be able to realise his wrongs and forgive, however hard it may be.

 

[magickmumu]

When you check out the forum rules you'll see that a rule of mutual respect is alreay in place

Yes, but it's incredibly vague and open to personal interpretation. Whoever wrote down this rule didn't do so on the basis of the dynamics at this website. I mean: taking advantage of someone's physical handicaps? Race? Gender? These have never been issues around here.

Mutual respect
Mutual respect between all forum users. This means you won't ever start a discussion with someone else while making advantage of someone else's behavior, possible physical or mental handicaps, race or gender. Do not actively react to personal remarks by others and refrain from posting stuff solely to offend people.

I don't have a problem with the rules as they are. I don't find the rules hard to follow.

And the other hand I understand the rules are a bit vague, and could be interpreted in different ways.
However I don't think it should be that hard to show some mutual respect towards each other.

I have noticed that on another community called the e dot forum the seem to have a section called the flame pit. This seems to some kind of mud pen where people can have there little flame wars
http://www.entheogen.com/forum/index.php

I hope psychonaut doesn't need a flame pit. But now I am thinking maybe we do need some kind of mud pen.

No we don't :wink:

:wink:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I was thinking of such a section, I've seen it at other forums too. Thanks for mentioning it. I'm not sure about it myself either, but perhaps it could be useful.

And yes, there must be freedom to challenge ideas and ideals, within the context of certain agreed upon rules. The rules should support such challenges, not stand in their way.