NDE vs SIPE (Self induced psychoactive Experience)

[doryl_roy]

First of all hi to all you explorers of the wonderful energy that is our mind. My name is Doryl Roy.

The subject matter I am hitting on today is not comparing which out of the NDE (Near Death Experience) or SIPE (Self induced psychoactive Experience) is a more profound spiritual experience that changes lives as suggested in the subject title but are they in fact one and the same thing. Timothy Leary as im sure all of you know linked these two by his book The Psychedelic Experience Manual Based On The Tibetan Book Of The Dead and I am eager to here your thoughts on the experiences you have had (SIPE) and if these experiences have lead you in any way to believe in the continuance of consciousness after we depart from this physical existence and if these experiences are indeed linked or not.

I believe that the world we are in is a construct of our minds which manifests itself from the one consciousness and allows us to experience this existence as singular entities. I believe there are invisible chains that once lifted we return back to the one consciousness. I can say these chains definitely dissolve during death and believe that psychoactive drugs also dissolve some kind of barriers and link u back to the one consciousness if only for a brief period of the illusion that is time but I can not be sure.

I look forward to hearing your thoughts.

 

[BrainEater]

You got some point there. I think, if consciousness gets the chance to withdraw from the overflow and masses of conditioned thoughts and focus on the LIFE of it's "inhibitor", the result is a spiritual experience. Or maybe you could say also that if consciousness would be able to channel it's energy, the result could be similar. That would also fit to the idea that a SIPE is the same like an NDE, because focussing on LIFE is inevitable by then, because it is under risk. From the viewpoint of a conditioned mind it's also at risk, because the conditions can be about to be changed, which puts the "controlling" mind under threat.

But well i guess, there is a MUCH bigger consciousness involved as well. I'm not sure if this consciousness is just all the consciousnesses linked together in some kind of unconscious connection or if the latter form a single new consciousness out of the masses of consciousnesses involved. Imagine now for example the analogy: many people-consciousnesses => the one consciousness ///////// synapses in a brain => the whole brain


Maybe a spiritual or psychoactive experience is an attempt to rejoin (again?) the ONE mind. :shock: i think this can be adapted to the lower level of consciousness as well. Maybe it is easier to rejoin the ONE mind for a consciousness which is one too.

greetings

 

[doryl_roy]

Maybe it is easier to rejoin the ONE mind for a consciousness which is one too

Hi BrainEater thanks for the reply. Could you elaborate on this please? What I gather is that by saying a consciousness which is one you are implying a single acting consciousness that is at one with itself so it is easier to combine with the higher consciousness because of this awareness.

When I use the words one consciousness I am just referring to the other state of existence and im not implying by any means that I solely believe that after we leave this existence we merge with a larger consciousness than our own and then we no longer have a sense of individuality and self. I believe we merge in the sense that we become more aware that we are connected to everything therefore we are one. We are connected in this existence but we are not aware of this as much as we are in the existence after this.

 

[afer]

During my last acid trip I've come to the following conclusion:
When baseline, a person perceives the surrounding world [The Universe] from his own point of view. I call this state "anchored" (see the illustration below). The psychedelic substance "tears" the rope that anchors our ego, thereby the point of view does not exist anymore- you go with the flow. Thus you become "one with the universe" and perceive things purely as they are....

 

[BrainEater]

Maybe it is easier to rejoin the ONE mind for a consciousness which is one too

Hi BrainEater thanks for the reply. Could you elaborate on this please? What I gather is that by saying a consciousness which is one you are implying a single acting consciousness that is at one with itself so it is easier to combine with the higher consciousness because of this awareness.

When I use the words one consciousness I am just referring to the other state of existence and im not implying by any means that I solely believe that after we leave this existence we merge with a larger consciousness than our own and then we no longer have a sense of individuality and self. I believe we merge in the sense that we become more aware that we are connected to everything therefore we are one. We are connected in this existence but we are not aware of this as much as we are in the existence after this.

Hey mate!

well what i don't speak of is consciousness that for example would'nt be one and would being it, without knowing it; then it wouldn't know "itself" fully or it possibly wouldn't even be aware of its parts, which could lead to unconscious control of them. This could be control by the own unconscious thoughts or probably as well thoughts from other people "taking them over".
Figuratetively this might sound a bit odd, but i think it's not so farfetched.

Therefore a consciousness which had this special awareness of itself, would have more open choices to make for itself and therefore have the greater possibility of joining the "oneness", because of less distraction, be it distraction caused by thoughts or by events. It could know itself better and therefore maybe integrate itself better in the bigger consciousness. Maybe the bigger consciousness is more of a flow,too, considering the idea of the attached ego. So knowledge about oneself could bring the improved ability to move better in this endless flow.

greetings 8)

 

[doryl_roy]

So knowledge about oneself could bring the improved ability to move better in this endless flow

Hey BE

So you would agree that those who have experienced nde s and sipe would be more likely to cross over into the other state of consciousness/one consciousness when the time arises and that these experiences are preliminary processes that will make the transition from this reality to the next smoother.

However the question I am still looking to be answered is that are these experiences related, the same or are both a pre-vision to something completely different. Could the nde be a vision of one existence and the sipe be a vision of another?

 

[doryl_roy]

During my last acid trip I've come to the following conclusion:
When baseline, a person perceives the surrounding world [The Universe] from his own point of view. I call this state "anchored" (see the illustration below). The psychedelic substance "tears" the rope that anchors our ego, thereby the point of view does not exist anymore- you go with the flow. Thus you become "one with the universe" and perceive things purely as they are....

Hey Afer i like your metaphoric perception of what keeps us bound to this form of existence. Its exactly my view but i have always just referred to it as invisible chains but i like the anchor version much better