MDMA therapy

[Psychoid]

I have some things to discuss with my parents, you know like the BIG discussion. I plan to take some MDMA because it is gonna help me communicating effectively. I think it would be a good idea if they took a small dose each too, so I am going to propose them to take a small dose too and then we sit and discuss

But if I want to have a chance at persuading them, I must give them informations on the drug and its therapeutic use. And I have big difficulty finding pertinent information. That's why I'm asking for your help!

If you know good sites that give detailed information please share with me

 

[Forkbender]

Start at maps.org

 

[BrainEater]

you could also write a contract with them that they're not allowed to end the discussion without the agreement of all members of it or to get mad at someone in the discussion.
and then you smoked some weed with them and discuss or eat it.
that would maybe make them crack up and listen to your arguments without everpresent ignorance towards the issues...

my mom for example ... i already "converted" her ... she's a christian and religion teacher; i like her though as a person, but her perspectives are just a bit stupid.... the funny / sad thing is that she says i am right with my arguments, but at the same time she tells me she won't be able to change her viewpoint on things ... i told her cannabis was a healing plant and she knows that too now...
but then in some situations she just won't stop to be mad at me without anything i have done bad to her or to anyone... just because she is afraid of me taking bad bad bad drugs ...

i mean i understand her, but i just can't figure out how one can be so stuck in his own beliefs and fears. my view is: she doesn't want to change her perspective because it's easier for her and her worldview. she is afraid of drastic change, because she can't accept some issue...
i don't blame her for being like that, because somehow she just became it, so it was on her way to become that obviously... on the other hand i don't quite understand how one can be so resistent to the obvious and undeniable truth.

PEACE. :weedman:

 

[mushhed8055]

i wish i had the balls to do that with my parents. it would be amazing n i think we would get a lot of shit dont in our fucked up happy convos. im struggeling enough to get my dad to smoke a joint with me. i know he smokes accasionaly n he knows i smoke a lot. i jus gota wait for the right time

 

[mysticwarrior]

i mean i understand her, but i just can't figure out how one can be so stuck in his own beliefs and fears.

I think this is an interesting point, also for psychoid. I have thought about this issue before, and if you look at life and history. Then you see, that every generation of people, have there own dogma's. For most people it is like a home where they can drive to when they feel not save or secure. Most of the time, parents seems not te be able, to understand and live the dogma's of there own children. Because they already have a dogma, where they can feel save. I`m not saying that they can't believe new dogma's, but many parents have already created a dogma where they feel save. And if you look at younger people, they always challenging the older people to expand. But it look like parents expanding slower, so they hardly accept new dogma's. The progress of expanding seems to slow down, so they can enjoy there own dogma/illusion of life.

So i think, when where young where creating a dogma/illusion/home where we can believe in and have peace with. Even when we now that the dogma or illusion is not true, it seems that it does not matter for the most parents. They already feel safe and have a certain understanding of there world and it does not matter if there right or wrong.

Another funny thing is that many parents are also afraid of there children, because there challenging there save dogma/illusion/home. These parents are the hard heads, who cannot accept that there children will believe another dogma then they believe them self. They not seem to understand that there children need to create there own dogma for there future.

If you understand this viewpoint, then you may question if your parents are ready and are willing to change there dogma. If your parents are hardheads, you can better let them life there own dogma/illusion. Because your kicking at there save house.

But if your parents are willing to change, then this will be a good thing. You even have to be proud if your parents are willing to change, because i think this is good for civilization.

It is an interesting point! But, if you willing to discuss this, i think it will be better to create a new topic and to not post your viewpoint here. This will be sad for psychoid, because i think this already goes offtopic

Thanx.

Mystic.

 

[faithless]

Try watching "ecstasy rising" (you can even watch it with your parents)

 

[BrainEater]

actually i am afraid of the dogma of my parents, while they are afraid of my dogma. i might be able to change it though.

well my mom is a real good person, though she is a christian and a religion teacher.

but the point is ... she just doesn't understand. she believes... but i who understand... she thinks i wanna fool her or i am deluded. she thinks i can't be more intelligent in life, because she is older and has more experience and has a job etc... it's ridiculous, but somehow i understand her and i know it's hard for her to change her dogma, because i can sort of feel her perception of the world.

i hope when i'll have a vaporisator i can heal my mother by the use oof sacred weeds, because she is so anti-smoking.

peace. :weedman:

 

[Forkbender]

actually i am afraid of the dogma of my parents, while they are afraid of my dogma. i might be able to change it though.

transform the fear in yourself and you will have no trouble loving them the way they are.

 

[Psychoid]

Thanks everyone for the answers, it's greatly appreciated

Another funny thing is that many parents are also afraid of there children, because there challenging there save dogma/illusion/home. These parents are the hard heads, who cannot accept that there children will believe another dogma then they believe them self. They not seem to understand that there children need to create there own dogma for there future.

You couldn't have described better the drug problem between me and my parents

 

[Psychoid]

Oh I forgot to mention... my mother just go out of a depression. She has been taking Venlafaxine (Effexor) for about two years now, and I'm not sure if she quitted completely yet.

Could it be dangerous for her to take a small dose, like something between 1/4 and 1/2 pill? I can't find all the informations... is it dangerous to mix MDMA with an SNRI? Could even a small dose plunge my mom back into her depression?

This would be beneficial, but I don't want to persuade my mother to do something that might harm her...

 

[BrainEater]

i don't know ...

if she has """solved""" her deppression then i don't know if there is some sort of negative influence with this special anti-deppressant and MDMA. i wouldn't advise taking the MDMA though, because i am no expert with this drug, i only took it once.... so please take some other opinions in consideration, too.

if she has just """killed""" her deppression with the anti-deppressant i would say YES a small dose can plunge her into her deppression. but maybe she can solve it by plunging into the MDMA-enhanced world.

why not try weed for her first ??? maybe it is better that she can relax her mind so she can find out whether she is still deppressed or not.

of course talking with her might be good! in my opinion and as far as i know, anti-deppressant most often only numb the person to their own feelings.
i don't know about that too much though, but stopping medication or lowering dose if addicted can be beneficial.

peace.

 

[Psychoid]

why not try weed for her first ??? maybe it is better that she can relax her mind so she can find out whether she is still deppressed or not.

The two first times I have been stoned on weed are the biggest badtrips of my life. I was really confused and not social at all. Introverted to the extreme. I was convinced I was gonna die, both times. My mother has NO experience at all of any drug, except coffee which she drinks every morning, and she drink a little alcool sometimes. I don't want her to have a similar experience, because then the result could be a permanent closing-up of her mind on the subject, which I don't want (my parents are already closed-minded enough, it is really a miracle if I actually succeed in convincing them ). That is why I thought of MDMA, because it is impossible to badtrip on a low dose of MDMA. Also as I said in my first post I need to have a deep discussion with my parents, and I know everything would go better if we all were on a small dose of MDMA, cause from my experience it permits to express you feelings much more easily, and its empathic power can be amazing!

And I can get pure MDMA crystals