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The evil one ???
The one who destroys instead of building ??
The treacherous false one ???
The "LightBringer" ???


I made this thread, because of the God thread and i am welcoming and looking forward to the hopefully interesting discussions!


Peace :weedman:
 
i love lucifer. how can you hate the bringer of light? not that i actually believe in the biblical representation of it
 
hehe totally agree with you drugless. lucifer is great. yet what is thought of lucifer is by most people is only their projected fears .

i also believe the biblical representation is wrong, or at least it is probably so misinterepreted over the times, that it had lost much of it's original truth???

well the scripture in itself maybe hadn't lost the original truth, but the knowing of the transcriptors and of the "smart" people. (=monks and stupid church-men that took themselves way too seriously with their godly task to serve "their" god)


so the intial or original truth should still be in the bible, yet the question remains: how much was it twisted by lies and by stupidness or ignorance???




peace.
 
i don't know, depending on how you take the myths, but during my acid "ego death" i saw lilith.

does that mean anything?

:D

@ Braineater, also besides translation, the idea of lucifer really changes in the new testament doesn't it.
 
I heard Alan Watts mention Lucifer a couple of days ago. Suppedly God told the angels to go and serve human beings. But Lucifer loved God so much that he couldn't follow this order, he refused to serve anyone but God. So rather than being the enemy of God, he is his greatest devotee.

The other fellow, the devil, looks an awful lot like the King of the forest, Pan.

pan2.jpg


panflute.jpg
 
there were no visual representations of satan untill the 12-13th century (i may be wrong but not by much) and it is possible he is a composite of pan and a few pagan gods. up till then he was only a concept, a meme
more purple rye bread anyone?
 
= the christians trying to destroy the belief in pan by depicting the devil in the same way .
 
I think purple rye explains a great deal of things in general...
 
Thanks GOD, the text reminded me it wasn't Alan Watts who told the story, but Joseph Campbell. I had heard this very passage in an audiobook I had been listening to.

Joseph Campbell (1972: p.148-149) illustrates an unorthodox Islamic reading of Lucifer's fall from Heaven which champions Lucifer's eclipsing love for God:

"One of the most amazing images of love that I know is Persian – a mystical Persian representation as Satan as the most loyal lover of God. You will have heard the old legend of how, when God created the angels, he commanded them to pay worship to no one but himself; but then, creating man, he commanded them to bow in reverence to this most noble of his works, and Lucifer refused – because, we are told, of his pride. However, according to this Muslim reading of his case, it was rather because he loved and adored God so deeply and intensely that he could not bring himself to bow before anything else, and because he refused to bow down to something that was of less superiority than him. (Since he was made of fire, and man from clay.) And it was for that that he was flung into Hell, condemned to exist there forever, apart from his love."
 
so Lucifer is the secret enemy of God, however he is his greatest servant only because Lucifer didn't want to listen to the other Angels???

that's fucked up. :D or at least it would shed some light on the delusional state of narrowminded christians. poor devils.... stuck in their own belief system of good and bad and godly and devilish mixed with their impressions of their puny lives...


@CM yes thinking like that made some sense for me regarding the elements and their "natural given" dominance / "symbiosis", regarding every element as a communion of atoms and electrons and whatnot ???


The term symbiosis is probably a bad word here, but i can't think of a better word right now. I mean that elements like water earth and air work together all the time and thus creating the earthly climate.

Or for example air and earth create a tornado? The temperature of the air and fluctuations of this phenomena create circle-spiral-formed movements of the air and thus a tornado.
Of course the earth gives temperature to the air and the other way round every single day/night. It's a giant sort of system seeking the easiest reaction, but at the same time the optimal possible.
It's everflowing and everbalancing itself, yet it's contributors are like everpresent. Earth, of course as an element could be seen in a very broad sense, because it can't be seen so separate from the things which flour on earth or live on earth or simply are there....
 
I`m GOD i have no reason to fear.........
 
Baal was supposed to be a demon in christianity and in many places this name was set equal to satan.


In Hebrew Baal was supposed to be a term that could be used for any god.

Commonly Baal was supposed to be considered the highest local pantheon-god by then and mostly seen to be represantive for Mountains, the Weather and Fertility or somethin like that.

That's what Wikipedia says, but i haven't read all of it.
 
There is nothing to fear but fear itself . We create our fears and visualise them as satan . Satan is what you dont know , what frightens you . Something to blame when things go wrong . An excuse for people who cant take their own responsibility .

Baal comes from babylon . Thats where the hebrews got the name from .
 
There is much to fear. However it would be pointless to be afraid of the fear.
 
BrainEater a dit:
it would be pointless to be afraid of the fear.

There's one of the big lessons of psychonautism in a nutshell :)
 
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