LSD

[Yatenkaiohu]

Hey guys hows it going? I've been stuck on the thought that there are more than one type of LSD. LSD-25, LSD, and maybe some sort of analog? People tell me "YEAH MAN I DROPPED ACID!", yet their personalities aren't fully affected. I know analogs exist but I don't think they can get you high alone, or can they? I'm not really sure and some help would be great, thanks!

 

[Yatenkaiohu]

Wow wrong fourm, if this could be moved to synthetic research that'd be awesome, sorry for the trouble, really tired.

 

[Hyperspace]

Yep it is the wrong forum heh

anyways LSD, Lysergic-acid-diethylamide, is a powerfully potent drug in which one hit, small enough to fit on a piece of paper smaller than the end of your pinky will cause profound hallucinatory effects. The drug works by binding to the same receptors that DMT (think dreaming, etc) and psilocybin (active compound in some mushrooms) bind to, the 5HT-2 receptors. These receptors are responsible at least in-part for processing the raw data from our sensory organs (eyes, ears, skin, taste-buds and olfactory organ.)

In the early 2000s a man named William Leonard Pickard was arrested after allegedly producing, well, a LOT of lsd. Following his arrest, the Drug Enforcement Administration stated that they saw a 95% reduction of LSD on the American streets.

The result of this was the supply of LSD did not meet the demand, and people started selling other drugs (mainly AMT, and a few hallucinogenic phenethylamines) or even inactive compounds as LSD. People are essentially tricked into believing that the drug works the way it's supposed to when really it isn't...real LSD in today's world has become increasingly rare as a result, and the supply still nowhere nearly meets the demand.

 

[Sticki]

Excellent Explanation HyperSpace! 8)

Also I would like to add that EVERY one reacts to LSD uniquely and no trip is ever the same.

Plus there are different synthesis, Each one producing a different kind of trip. Method X, Devised by the genius chemist behind operation julie in the 1970's in britain was said to have been the best LSD ever created.

 

[JustinNed]

LSD-25 is LSD. There are analogues to it with every drug. An analogue is just a chemical with a chem structure unique to that class of drugs. I think I explained that right....

 

[Forkbender]

Topic moved.

 

[Brugmansia]

People tell me "YEAH MAN I DROPPED ACID!", yet their personalities aren't fully affected.

Going through the gate to the other side requires much more than just taking a substance.

 

[flashmasterfong]

Hey guys hows it going? I've been stuck on the thought that there are more than one type of LSD. LSD-25, LSD, and maybe some sort of analog? People tell me "YEAH MAN I DROPPED ACID!", yet their personalities aren't fully affected. I know analogs exist but I don't think they can get you high alone, or can they? I'm not really sure and some help would be great, thanks!

I would assume so, check this out.

http://research.lycaeum.org/index.rbx?id=3199

 

[mysticwarrior]

Welcome Hyperspace, and thanx for that excellent explanation

 

[Yatenkaiohu]

Thanks guys! Does using LSD with P. Cubensis work??

 

[mysticwarrior]

Probably, but i don't know if it's worth it.

 

[peach]

First of all, there are a lot of RC's that will emulate LSD being loaded onto blotters and sold as LSD.

Then you have variations in strength from hundred milligram plus tabs, through gels, microdots and pills with 300 or so ug to tabs with just tens of ug on.

LSD decays in the presence of chlorine (used to bleach paper at the mill), light and heat. So what might have started out as a good dose can go bad if it's not stored carefully.

There are indeed close analogs of LSD. ALD-52 is one of them, which is potentially even more active than LSD-25 by a tiny amount - although some argue it's slightly less active. Whatever the exact amount, it's real close to LSD-25 - it's meant to be slightly less anxiety inducing, but there's not much the differences. ALD-52 is supposed to have been sold as LSD in a line of pills called 'Orange Sunshine' back in the hippie days - who said misrepresentation was a new thing? It has quite similar effects though, so it's not quite as bad as the random pills of today - where the dirty ones can be annoyingly bad or a serious health risk. The people arrested claimed they couldn't be charged because they were caught with ALD-52, which hadn't been listed for regulation, but the court decided that they deserved some jail time anyway since the only known method for producing ALD-52 was to first make LSD, which was illegal. This was the beginning of analog scheduling in some ways - the court recognized that they were trying to circumnavigate the original law to achieve the same end result.

I've read a lot about purity and different methods, but I think the main defining factor for acid is whether or not the people running the lab know how to setup and run column chromatography with a good separation, how much they decide to dose at and what they absorb it with. The column separation should remove just about everything that a particular method could tint a product with. It's not easy at first, but it's the kind of skill a 19 - 21 year old chemist will have practiced. Modern chemists have HPLC available to them, which is an advanced version of column chromo that can produce some of the most pure samples possible for analytical chemistry - much better than Hoffman himself could have produced. Whether or not your average lab and dealer chain use it or make it last with handling is another thing.