LSD, Psilo, DMT differences?

[st.bot.32]

I don't know if this has been posted before but is something I am generally curious about.

Back in the days when I was first trying psychedelics I recall reading of a double-blind test where the subjects couldn't tell whether or not they were feeling the effects of DMT, Psilocybin and LSD. The thing is, there was no mention of who the subjects were, what their experience was with psychedelics, etc.

Even after having read that article, and I started taking mushrooms with the idea it would be the same as acid, I came to a very different conclusion after about 2-3 trips.

Psilocybin is VERY different from LSD.

On the surface level, the closed eye visuals are drastically different. The open-eyed visuals I see on objects are rapidly moving crystal patterns, unlike the slow elegant moving fractals I see on LSD. My sense of time gets changed quite a lot more than it does on LSD (I only had time stop once on me on my first acid trip long ago). My senses cross differently than they do on LSD.

The psychoanalytical mental exhaustion I get at the end of a long LSD trip has never happened to me on mushrooms. At the end of a mushroom trip I feel usually amazingly good, conversational and very rational.

The only similarity is perhaps in the sensation of peaking. Even there the nature of it is somehow different.

Now obviously I'm only speaking from subjective experience here. Thoughts?

 

[GOD]

But you knew what you had taken .

I`ve also read about that and agree . But i think i would know which was wich by the length of action . If i timed it , if not then i dont think i`d have a clue .

 

[Forkbender]

I've read it too. I wonder about the way the experiment was set up. How did they administer the drug? How did they select the subjects? etc.

Time is definitely a dead giveaway in this case. Guess if they used psilocybine/mescaline/lsd it would be somehow more difficult to distinguish. I feel differently on acid than on shrooms or dmt, but this is probably prejudiced as I always know what I am taking.

 

[GOD]

I think it was lab/hospital experiments using injections .

 

[st.bot.32]

Time is definitely a dead giveaway in this case. Guess if they used psilocybine/mescaline/lsd it would be somehow more difficult to distinguish. I feel differently on acid than on shrooms or dmt, but this is probably prejudiced as I always know what I am taking.

Could be, plus just the sheer length of an acid trip produces a kind of exhaustion and feeling (in my mind) when it is like 8-9 hours into the trip that I don't get on mushrooms.. as I'm already back to baseline at that point.. i dunno tho, i just don't get those salvador dali visuals on mushrooms tho either. could be psychosomatic I guess..

 

[Brugmansia]

LSD produces fractalized, mathemathical, symmetrical visuals and the mind residents closer to the upper surface and an acid trip is big picture orientated as in terms of observing the universe.

Acid is much more predictable, you have a transparant path in front of you, it's lineair and easy going.

While Shrooms, produces odd visuals, unsymmetrical and sometimes just a variation of colours with no shapes but just choatic patterns.

The mind dives deep to the inner perspective, and is orientated detailed about the own self, and often merely about the nature on earth. There's a strong swing in the though patterns and the path is dark and less predictable than on acid.

It's much easier for the user to avoid self-confrontation on acid than on shrooms.

Mescaline is apart from a psychedelic, also a phenethylamine with flows that resemblance with MDMA. It's a unique substance. It produces hardly any hallucinations, although the CEV's are so colourful!. Entire paintings were crossing my vision when the eyes are closed.

The mind is pumped with love, extreme empathy, tenderness, joyness, bliss and there's a feeling of being the king of the universe. It makes you appreciate humanity and nature like nothing else. During the entire trip, there's full awareness of what's going on and physically enourmous activity if dancing or whatever. But you can sit and dream in all rest just as easily.

DMT produces outstanding visuals in a 360 degrees empty dark space and the user has lost his connection with his body, mind, sensory and identity. There's an instant transfer to a diminsion which cannot be definied for 100%. It's just super alien and although everything you go through is noticed and remembered, there's no awareness of having a mind if you have breaked through till the max.

So yes, there is a fundemental difference between each psychedelic individually, which I could hardly detect when I just had my 1st trip on each substance.

Nowadays, shrooms are not even coming lose to acid anymore, the more I use them, the more they are going their own seperated path in my mind. The only similarity to me is that they are producing visuals. But within my consciousness, they have nothing in common anymore.

As for the set, setting and mindsetting. With DMT, I just do, like I can decide out of nothing to smoke it 5 minutes later. I think it's even better to do it spontaneously than knowing that you're going through it 4 hours later.

With mescaline, I prepare myself, 3 days before the experience with food precautions etc.

 

[Meduzz]

I've had my first LSD experience some weeks ago. IMO, the best description of the differences is that the language of LSD is more understandable than the one from shrooms, on doses that are waay more visual than shrooms. Shrooms tend to be more mystic and alien and it takes you somewhere far, while with LSD, you're still on earth and everything gets splashed in your face.

What strikes me the most, is that I didn't feel like I had to proces the trip afterwards, while with mushrooms this sometimes took months. I even did LSD the week after without problems, while with shrooms I need more space between trips.


But I think the differences don't matter, as I've had shrooms trips that were very different from each other. I've even had experiences with low doses of shrooms that were very mdma-like (I had done mdma the week before tho...)

 

[st.bot.32]

Yeah, I tend to find LSD easier to handle somehow as well. It's almost like a mushroom trip has the intensity of a 14 hour acid trip squashed into 1/3 the length.

LSD trips CAN get pretty crazy though at higher doses (ask someone who's taken like 8 or more tabs in one sitting!)

 

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[GOD]

So your saying that the LSD available isnt strong enough or good enough . I agree , most of it is either shity or to weak . I think thats why so many people prefer Mushrooms , because you are probably going to get a better product . I think if we could get real , good , strong LSD most of us would get an eye opener and then the preferences would be about 50/50 .

 

[Brugmansia]

I disagree.

The ONLY thing which I'd say is as good as impossible to find even if you search thoughtful for years, are synthetical mescaline crystals. Much more rare than synthetical DMT or persian opium.

 

[GOD]

I supose it a lot about who you are , who you know and where you live . I`m sure most ordinary punters dont get the best , if they can get anything at all .

 

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[druglessdouglas]

I disagree.

The ONLY thing which I'd say is as good as impossible to find even if you search thoughtful for years, are synthetical mescaline crystals. Much more rare than synthetical DMT or persian opium.

strangely enough i was talking about this to someone last night. it is relevant to the thread too.
in 1996 i was getting some strange, large microdots. they were sold as LSD but the effects were smoother, more "cokey" and less visual even at high doses. in an attempt to squeeze as much out of them i decided to crush and snort them.
on crushing the first one i discovered large rhomboidal crystals, slightly greenish. definately not LSD (they were big enough to see).
after a bit of research i matched the crystals to a photo in a book of mescaline sulphate. up till then i was happy to think of it as LSD and the effects subjectively were close enough.
ive come accross it quite a lot since then, including very recently, so someone has access or is making it.

 

[Meduzz]

If it's greenish it's probably extracted mescaline and not synthetic. Can you remember how much you paid?

And how does 200mg or more fit in a microdot?

 

[druglessdouglas]

next to nothing

 

[GOD]

Mescalin crystals are needle shaped and white . A dose of mescalin = 300 - 500 mgs wouldnt fit into a microdot so it must have been something else .

 

[druglessdouglas]

they were yellow/green, around 3mmx1-2 and rhomboidal.
they were probably something else. any ideas?

 

[GOD]

I dont know what it is . The green colour sounds like either it was a natural extract of something or a chemical i`ve never heard of . But the size sounds to small to me to be anything natural , exept maybe a Saliva Divinorum . I dont know what sort of crystals that forms thopugh . Or maybe it was a "Research Chemical" . I have a shity memory , but i think someone else said something about green crystals lately . If i can remember where it was i will have a look .

Maybe someone else knows more about trippy green crystals ?

 

[druglessdouglas]

subjectively it felt like a low dose of LSD but only lasted 6 hours or so.