LSD 1 day and mushrooms the next day? lsd effect mush trip?

[mushhed8055]

just wondering if say one day you took 5 hits of cid and the next day u had mushrooms in ur face? if you ate then would the lsd lesson the effect of the psilicybin or would it be ok? any info would be great

 

[Brugmansia]

It doesn't work since Psilo and Acid do have a cross-tolerance. Means that you're as good as immune for tripping for at least 3 days.

Anyone who's up for a 2nd trip within 72 hours did something wrong on his journey. The mind wants a break it self for at least 1 month after a correct psychedelic experience.

Nevertheless, the physical effects never decrease, doing acid right after a complete comedown works as a moderated stimulant.

 

[HeartCore]

I second that.

Sometimes it makes sense for people to trip shortly after the last one, for example because they are training to become more . But in that case, almost as a rule, at least one day is skipped between trips.

 

[Guest]

The mind wants a break it self for at least 1 month after a correct psychedelic experience.

I don't think there are correct or incorrect psychedelic experiences,
that's just your own judgement about what is correct and incorrect.
I do get the point though, but for instance after my ayahuascca ceremony I knew I was ready to go again the same week.
It was a really really heavy one, but at the same time I already processed everything that night.

If you happend to have no time for a long long time, 2 trips within 3 days is ok, I mean it isn't wrong (or right, no judgement) it's just that you have to ask yourself:"Do I want to go twice in this short time?"
If the answer is yes and you're certain you can handle it, by all means, do your thing!

 

[Psychoid]

Your brain tells you whether he is ready or not for another ride... just listen

 

[Brugmansia]

I don't think there are correct or incorrect psychedelic experiences

I phrased it a bit wrong, let me change that to 'after an experience with a well prepared set and setting, and plenty of time and rest for the integration'.

I have a few acquaintances who took their first trip in an environment where they couldn't let themselve go. They tasted the magical side of psychedelics but weren't in the position to get an enlighted drop out.

And they remained with a strong urge to repeat the intake to get the best out of the experience.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Space-is-the-Place
DMT can be used more times then Psilocin or Acid cause DMT action goes through 5HT-2c serotonine receptors against psilocin&Acid which use 5HT-2a serotonine receptors. This is why Acid and Shrooms have cross-tolerance!.

Peace
Light
Bless

 

[mushhed8055]

what is dmt??

 

[HappyMind]

http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/dmt/dmt.shtml

 

[skrudge]

goran, you never cease to amaze me with your knowledge
thanks

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Thanx. 8) But to be true and right DMT also act on 5HT-2a receptors.
This is why at some point effects wear down if you take it intensively. But 3 times per week?! Big advantage comparing with 5HT-2a agonists(ACID-SHROOMS). Mescaline is something else! Norepinephrine neuro-receptor activity gives you "like first time" effect twice a week.
Thanx again. 8) 8) I have loads and loads in my memory but if I can't see stimulations in question or similar form that knowledge doesn't come out! :wink:

 

[user_1919]

just wondering if say one day you took 5 hits of cid and the next day u had mushrooms in ur face? if you ate then would the lsd lesson the effect of the psilicybin or would it be ok? any info would be great

As everyone said, you would develop a cross tolerence. My suggestion is double your dose, and you won't want to have an experience the next day. And if doubling it isn't enough, triple it!

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Double-triple-etc, avoid that! Such dose and times between is like turbo car with NO! And what? Your engine will blow up after 15km. Drive little bit slowly and much, much longer, 100 000km!

 

[silv]

Double-triple-etc, avoid that! Such dose and times between is like turbo car with NO! And what? Your engine will blow up after 15km. Drive little bit slowly and much, much longer, 100 000km!

Don't forget to bring enough fuel though for the 100 000km?

 

[Guest]

Space-is-the-Place
DMT can be...

rayer:
Thanks mate!
You really know a lot, I think I'll gather up some questions I've been having for a long time about brain-chemistry and psychedelics...

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Double-triple-etc, avoid that! Such dose and times between is like turbo car with NO! And what? Your engine will blow up after 15km. Drive little bit slowly and much, much longer, 100 000km!

Don't forget to bring enough fuel though for the 100 000km?

I am not talking bout juice! I am talking bout ENGINE!

 

[endlessness]

Space-is-the-Place
DMT can be used more times then Psilocin or Acid cause DMT action goes through 5HT-2c serotonine receptors against psilocin&Acid which use 5HT-2a serotonine receptors. This is why Acid and Shrooms have cross-tolerance!.

Peace
Light
Bless

well.. according to sources such as Riba and Nichols, DMT definitely goes through 2a receptors as a main pathway of action, so that can´t be the explanation why DMT shows no significant tolerance building.. In fact, studies have shown that 5HT2c plays a lesser role in the DMT experience because the 2c receptor gets gradually desensitized for DMT and 5HT2a remains the same, (and subjective experiences show no tolerance building, therefore 5HT2c is not as important even though DMT does have agonist properties at this receptor subtype)

So it´s more complex than that and I personally dont know why exactly it is this way

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Space-is-the-Place
DMT can be used more times then Psilocin or Acid cause DMT action goes through 5HT-2c serotonine receptors against psilocin&Acid which use 5HT-2a serotonine receptors. This is why Acid and Shrooms have cross-tolerance!.

Peace
Light
Bless

well.. according to sources such as Riba and Nichols, DMT definitely goes through 2a receptors as a main pathway of action, so that can´t be the explanation why DMT shows no significant tolerance building.. In fact, studies have shown that 5HT2c plays a lesser role in the DMT experience because the 2c receptor gets gradually desensitized for DMT and 5HT2a remains the same, (and subjective experiences show no tolerance building, therefore 5HT2c is not as important even though DMT does have agonist properties at this receptor subtype)

So it´s more complex than that and I personally dont know why exactly it is this way

Yes, what you have sad is true. 2c have lesser action, BUT ACTION IT HAVES! 2c and 2a are connected in more complex form. Tolerance drug like LSD or Psilocin are only 2a agonist. Logic conclusion would be more complex action of DMT. Beside that, DMT is also produced in our brain! Other drugs aren't. If you constantly bombard your nerves with any amount of nerve acting substance, nerves will build more receptors for that substance. This is called "tolerance". And what? Scientist tells that 2c receptors aren't so crucial in psydelic effect. They observed action of DMT on 5HT receptors, seen that 2a have stronger effect. But have they calculated "tolerance" and bigger amounts of 2c receptors? This is very thin ice and you can't tell what is cause of lower DMT resistance or tolerance. Also DMT have big time shorter acting time! Receptors aren't stressed and used so long compare to LSD and Psilocin. Quicker recovery time for sure. And why Zyprexa (anti psychotic) doesn't build tolerance, Zyprexa is antagonist of 5HT2a receptors? AS I SAD, THIN ICE.

 

[endlessness]

Yes, what you have sad is true. 2c have lesser action, BUT ACTION IT HAVES! 2c and 2a are connected in more complex form. Tolerance drug like LSD or Psilocin are only 2a agonist. Logic conclusion would be more complex action of DMT. Beside that, DMT is also produced in our brain! Other drugs aren't. If you constantly bombard your nerves with any amount of nerve acting substance, nerves will build more receptors for that substance. This is called "tolerance". And what? Scientist tells that 2c receptors aren't so crucial in psydelic effect. They observed action of DMT on 5HT receptors, seen that 2a have stronger effect. But have they calculated "tolerance" and bigger amounts of 2c receptors? This is very thin ice and you can't tell what is cause of lower DMT resistance or tolerance. Also DMT have big time shorter acting time! Receptors aren't stressed and used so long compare to LSD and Psilocin. Quicker recovery time for sure. And why Zyprexa (anti psychotic) doesn't build tolerance, Zyprexa is antagonist of 5HT2a receptors? AS I SAD, THIN ICE.

yeah I agree, I think it´s a much more complex issue than just ´where´ it happens (in which neurotransmitter).. That´s what I was trying to point out from the beginning, that there must be some other cause for the tolerance that is not only about which neurotransmitter is being used

the fact that dmt is in the body already may have something to do. The fact that the body doesn´t ´want´ to get used to DMT is, to me, a sign that dmt is very important to our normal brain functioning.. It must have a key role that we dont yet know about

obviously its not just because dmt doesnt cause tolerance that it shows the body wants it (or else as you say, zyprexa doesnt cause tolerance, and our brain definitely does not want that ) , but being endogenous and non-tolerance forming, plus the fact its one of the most profound experiences existing, really puts DMT in a very mysterious position... Tonight im gonna go meet the elves for a while, lets see if they tell me something

 

[Razor29]

i don't know what you have all said since i cant read it at the moment so i apologize





anyway from my personal experiance when you take a lot of acid and then shrooms it doesn't lessen the effect in any substantial way. the other way around is a different story.
i have tried this on several different occasions lately and it allways worked well one time i even did the shrooms at the very end of a long and strong acid session and it not only worked well it worked beyond our expectation.
Anyway - Shrooms affect Acid potency (negatively ofcourse) greatly but not the other way around. Although, when you cross a certain threshold with the acid binge (say like 1000 ugs) it might lessen the shrooms potency if done in succession.

So in conclusion - Shrooms after acid - ok, Shrooms after a ton of acid - not so ok, Acid after shrooms - a waste of acid.