Our reality is the barrier between us and the next universe. When we travel faster than the light of our conscious universe our bodies become energy effectively killing us and in turn transporting us to the next universe and life. The afterlife is the next life. Our nextlives are our afterlives...
Life.
- Auteur de la discussion Iersuko
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Our consciousness is perpetually being transferred from a current universe to the next every time our physical bodies fail. Our consciousness is the only part of us that survives the journey outside of whatever reality you live. Our consciousness is our soul. Our soul is immortal regardless of our religion, faith or lack thereof.
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I would say yes except for two things.
I see the spirit as more then just consciousness. So our spirit transfers into the next life not just our consciousness.
There is only one next life. When the body looses its physical self and the spirit is transformed into light it does not transform back. It looses its ability to bind with a physical body anymore. The existance of the spirit and of consciousness is inherently unique in the conscoiusness/spirit-body pair.
That is to say that once a consciosness has entered into a body when it looses that body it does not have the capacity to enter into another one. It simply moves on into the next life 'the afterlife'.
A biblical reference to this which was actually not biblical when it was written but was a common knowledge in the culture of the day and is still true today even in non religoius settings is the idea of putting new wine into old wine skins.
Wine skins when they are filled with wine stretch and the wine causes them to loose their stretchyness. If you try to put new wine into an old wineskin it will burst because it has already been stretched to its limit by the old wine.
If you try to put a spirit/consciosuness into a new body the body will not be able to handle it because the old spirit/consciousness is already atuned to how to operate with its previous body and getting it to operate with the new body would be tedious if not impossible.
You can think of it along the lines of tissue rejection in surgery. Some organs get rejected even if they are the same blood type and blood characteristics simply because they were not originally with the body when the body was created. This is true on even one organ at a time. Now think of an entire body of organs and blood and other fluids having to adapt to a spirit/consciosuness that is foreign. One would reject the other.
I see the spirit as more then just consciousness. So our spirit transfers into the next life not just our consciousness.
There is only one next life. When the body looses its physical self and the spirit is transformed into light it does not transform back. It looses its ability to bind with a physical body anymore. The existance of the spirit and of consciousness is inherently unique in the conscoiusness/spirit-body pair.
That is to say that once a consciosness has entered into a body when it looses that body it does not have the capacity to enter into another one. It simply moves on into the next life 'the afterlife'.
A biblical reference to this which was actually not biblical when it was written but was a common knowledge in the culture of the day and is still true today even in non religoius settings is the idea of putting new wine into old wine skins.
Wine skins when they are filled with wine stretch and the wine causes them to loose their stretchyness. If you try to put new wine into an old wineskin it will burst because it has already been stretched to its limit by the old wine.
If you try to put a spirit/consciosuness into a new body the body will not be able to handle it because the old spirit/consciousness is already atuned to how to operate with its previous body and getting it to operate with the new body would be tedious if not impossible.
You can think of it along the lines of tissue rejection in surgery. Some organs get rejected even if they are the same blood type and blood characteristics simply because they were not originally with the body when the body was created. This is true on even one organ at a time. Now think of an entire body of organs and blood and other fluids having to adapt to a spirit/consciosuness that is foreign. One would reject the other.
Point taken, but, I wasn't suggesting that the soul/consciousness/spirit moves around looking for old comatose catatonic or dead bodies to reinvigorate. I was suggestion that it moves on to a fresh newly conceived being, whatever being it may be. Or maybe only higher beings that have reached self awareness (4 or 5 year old humans, crows, elephants, dolphins..)
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Iersuko a dit:
Neither was I. I was saying that once a spirit has gotten used to one body cannot handle being in any other bodies new or otherwise. The spirit is already used to being a 40 year old male when it dies. If it were 'forced' to go into a 'new born baby' body it would go psychotic from being forced to relearn everything psychologically while already knowing everything spiritually. That is what the new wine skin reference was. The spirit is the old wine skin the body is the new wine.
I can see why though it would be confusing cuz it seems backwards logically but the point I was trying to make was the spirit is already used to being what it died as where as the new body would constrain it and drive it mad if it tried to cope with being a child all over again.
Think of how hard it is for someone with certain syndromes to cope with reality when their minds never progress past say 8 years old but their body goes through puberty or on into 20s 30s 80s whatever. As their body matures and the mind does not they dont know how to interact with their environment. Where as its normal for an 8 year old to be scared by having their ears cleaned and can throw a fit, the parents can restrain them if they have to, where as a 20 or 30 year old throwing a fit by having their ears cleaned would seriosly hurt people or themselves. (This is a real life example of someone I knew who had a child with I believe severe downs that would constantly get blocked ears and have to have them cleaned)
So the reverse is also true. If a 20 or 30 year old mind has to try and cope with a 1 day or 10 day or 1 month old body it would go insane. As it is we only barely understand the true psychology of those ages but they are extremely limited. The baby at those ages has no consciosness of self awareness yet the spirit/consciosuness would. So then the consciousness would be forced back into not haveing self awareness all over again and thus form a split personality.
Ah ok I see your point. Yea it would be frustrating to say the least.. I also wonder though if souls have kind of an option to remember or to completely forget just for the sake of living life anew ya know. I know I'm stretching and people are gonna believe what they want and I have no problem with that.
let's entertain for a moment that souls can choose to suppress all memory of a past life in an attempt to live the next life with out being bitter about the last. Or perhaps they anticipate they'll be frustrated being born and having to suffer through high school all over again. Or maybe they just want to live as many lives as they can with out getting bored because they've experienced it all before. I know its sounds crazy but I'm just conversing.
let's entertain for a moment that souls can choose to suppress all memory of a past life in an attempt to live the next life with out being bitter about the last. Or perhaps they anticipate they'll be frustrated being born and having to suffer through high school all over again. Or maybe they just want to live as many lives as they can with out getting bored because they've experienced it all before. I know its sounds crazy but I'm just conversing.
Who says that the soul chooses to suppress anything?
I say, Its the Brain...
In my opinion, The soul is the infinite energy that we each are and the reason you don't readily remember previous events or have the ability to precognate future events is becuase the structure that we reside in (The body) has become a prison for the vast majority of souls. Most people lack the power to connect with themselves physically let alone spiritually.
As a human being, You can only really remember in your brain what you have experienced in your body...
There is hope tho, This can be seen with transcendental states and regressional memorys unearthed through Reiki, Hypnosis, Meditation or The Psychedelic Experience. Maybe when these moments happen we are connecting in a deeper more meaningfull way with our soul and accessing the memory from the soul rather then the brain?
As a being of light, You may explore your full potential. Past, Present and Future....
I say, Its the Brain...
In my opinion, The soul is the infinite energy that we each are and the reason you don't readily remember previous events or have the ability to precognate future events is becuase the structure that we reside in (The body) has become a prison for the vast majority of souls. Most people lack the power to connect with themselves physically let alone spiritually.
As a human being, You can only really remember in your brain what you have experienced in your body...
There is hope tho, This can be seen with transcendental states and regressional memorys unearthed through Reiki, Hypnosis, Meditation or The Psychedelic Experience. Maybe when these moments happen we are connecting in a deeper more meaningfull way with our soul and accessing the memory from the soul rather then the brain?
As a being of light, You may explore your full potential. Past, Present and Future....
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I dont believe there are such things as past lives or are any other lives forward beyond eternity. But I have no 'proof' that I can share with anyone except 'experience' and 'knowledge'.
For example I 'know' that my spirit is going on some 10k+ years old. But I also know that my spirit did not reside in any other physical bodies except this one and when this one reaches its end it will enter into eternity again.
With that having been said its far too easy for demon's to capitilize on the desires of humans to have an explanation for everything to easily implant false past life memories. Particularly ones that 'give revelation' or 'make sense' and double especially in people who dont believe in demons or in their abilities.
But of course this is all fighting about who's resources you trust in a debate. I havnt said anything that gives any more 'proof' to what I believe as being 'more true' then what anyone else believes and I dont expect anyone to just accept it.
But I do highly recommend you take great care in exploring anything supernatural and always always always double and triple check where your getting your information from and always allow yourself to be wrong. Easiest thing in the world for a demon to do is see someone exploring some past life memory, see the person has had some kind of pain in their life, and make up a false memory that connects the two and makes the person feel better about themselves or their situation. Human hypnotists can do that easy without the help of anything supernatural, demons can do it all the easier especially in people who dont believe in them and then hence are more likely to believe the fake past memory or whatever then the idea that it might be a demon.
Just sayin. Not tryin to convert anyone to anything. Its your own emotional, spiritual or psychological health thats in trouble if you dont take everything supernatural on any side with a grain of salt or three.
For example I 'know' that my spirit is going on some 10k+ years old. But I also know that my spirit did not reside in any other physical bodies except this one and when this one reaches its end it will enter into eternity again.
With that having been said its far too easy for demon's to capitilize on the desires of humans to have an explanation for everything to easily implant false past life memories. Particularly ones that 'give revelation' or 'make sense' and double especially in people who dont believe in demons or in their abilities.
But of course this is all fighting about who's resources you trust in a debate. I havnt said anything that gives any more 'proof' to what I believe as being 'more true' then what anyone else believes and I dont expect anyone to just accept it.
But I do highly recommend you take great care in exploring anything supernatural and always always always double and triple check where your getting your information from and always allow yourself to be wrong. Easiest thing in the world for a demon to do is see someone exploring some past life memory, see the person has had some kind of pain in their life, and make up a false memory that connects the two and makes the person feel better about themselves or their situation. Human hypnotists can do that easy without the help of anything supernatural, demons can do it all the easier especially in people who dont believe in them and then hence are more likely to believe the fake past memory or whatever then the idea that it might be a demon.
Just sayin. Not tryin to convert anyone to anything. Its your own emotional, spiritual or psychological health thats in trouble if you dont take everything supernatural on any side with a grain of salt or three.
Sticki a dit:
I also believe that life from the perspective of a soul is a lot like sitting down at a movie theater one day and watching an uninterrupted movie marathon where each movie is from a first person perspective of ones self.
The sound track and love in each movie are the only refreshments for this observer. What we call "food for the soul"
The soul has no memory of arriving in this place and has no control over what it's going to watch next but it has a small subconscious influence over what happens in each film.
There are no bathroom breaks or intermissions for the soul. There are no other patrons sitting in on the same marathon. And the storyline of each masterpiece and what script is capable of is only limited by how much the star of each film allows the soul to speak directly to him.
How ever much and how ever often the conscious opens itself up to the subconscious (speed reading) and achieves things that may hardly seem possible for what we may have called dummies at one time. Everyone really has the same potential. Every one really has the same goals. The only thing getting in the way of being on the same track as one another is the distraction of each of our own lives. How we were raised, our outside influences, our personal experiences. A mental or physical illness as you have brought up before, Schwanke.
Hmm I wonder if sensory deprivation is another method to get closer to the soul. I would try it if my girlfriend would ever shut up and leave me alone for 5 minutes
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I feel you. I'm not afraid to admit when I'm wrong and I'll be careful.
On a more personal note. Would any one care to share if they can remember the earliest childhood nightmare they can recall? Reoccurring or not is fine and details please. I'm just curious and wouldn't judge anyone.
I happened upon a thought this morning when i stepped out the shower and saw the tattoo of a dreamcatcher on my arm. I thought it looked like a rough network of dendrite connections between nerve cells. I thought of what a dreamcatcher is supposed to do then related that to the central nervous system, thinking of it essentially as a net.
What if it's this net structure that catches a soul. Sometime after our conception in the humble beginnings of our nervous system, soul energy is attracted to the system by the chemical energies it releases and gets hung up in it like a fly in a spider web. Or perhaps it's the collision of the soul energy with the nervous system that gets our nerves fired up in the first place. Either way, it's stuck there until all activity of it's meat bag ceases...
What if it's this net structure that catches a soul. Sometime after our conception in the humble beginnings of our nervous system, soul energy is attracted to the system by the chemical energies it releases and gets hung up in it like a fly in a spider web. Or perhaps it's the collision of the soul energy with the nervous system that gets our nerves fired up in the first place. Either way, it's stuck there until all activity of it's meat bag ceases...
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Mine was being in this haunted house with all these nasty things going on but the worst part of it ws being in this room with this dog that had no skin and I could see all this musctle and tissue and bone. He was strung up into the ceiling by his flesh and was running in place.
There was a coffin in the next room that was also scary but I dont remember what was in it.
Then I fell down a large hole and when I came out the bottom I actually came out the ceiling and fell again over and over again until I woke up.
That used to creep me out as a memory well into highschool and parts of college even though it was like around 8 or 9 years old. Just the emotional impact of dreaming something like that that young is creepy.
Yea to say the least that would suck. Falling in a dream is always a trip in and of itself.
Mine was earlier, around 5 years old. It was simple but scary for a young mind. I watched myself being pressed between two surfaces like playdough and turned into spaghetti noodle-like strings out the top of the contraption. Scarred for life.
Can you recall anything earlier?
Mine was earlier, around 5 years old. It was simple but scary for a young mind. I watched myself being pressed between two surfaces like playdough and turned into spaghetti noodle-like strings out the top of the contraption. Scarred for life.
Can you recall anything earlier?
