language as a miscommunication

[BrainEater]

did you notice how people can talk to each other even in the same language and not understand each other at all??
i would call this the ego-level of interpretation, where people don't even see reality anymore. they then only see
what they want to see. i think it's like people in this state are prone to use people as means to an end.
i hope you know what i mean and i tell you all to beware of stuff like that. nothing is never/always what it seems.
when i talked to some people i got the impression that i was talking to a program lol. because at some point
they only repeated themselves and it was as if they were only talking to themselves. i think this says it.
but you don't have to abuse conversation partners. there is possibility for real conversation, too.
however i also have to say, that indeed with some people communication is not possible at all, for reasons
that you can probably figure out by yourself. not wanting to sound rude lol. but yeah that's how it is.
i just want you to also be able to think for yourself. 8)



peace

 

[ophiuchus]

it's sad how programmed some people are... on the other hand, there is no better feeling than when some other person knows exatly what one is talking about, especially when talking about existence itself or spirituality. it's like one doesn't even have to say anything else, but saying more just makes the feeling even stronger.

 

[zezt]

my very first LSD trip, when 15 (I didn't even know what the tiny pill I had been offered to put on my tongue WAS) had me deep into seeing peoples BODY LANGUAGE. The people (at a party) I was observing were not themselves tripping, but I could see extraordinarily clearly that the social mask they were presenting to others they were 'communicating' with contradicted their body language, and this vision had me in hopeless hysterics of giggling.

N0W I must tell you that before I had this trip I had a very keen eye for peoples mannerisms. I was in the school choir, for example, and this very camp music teacher had us all making these exaggerated expressions when singing to accentuate the vowels. I would look around at the faces doing this around me and giggle. I was amazed that seemingly only me had this rebellious spirit to see the comical side of this scene. The teacher hated me, and tried to get me out of music class, lol

But yes. Communication is FAR deeper than just what is being said literally, there is tone and body language, scent, etc. Many of us--via 'education', and culture, are made to be UN-conscious of these deeper aspects and that is why many seem robotic, or superficial

 

[ophiuchus]

^ :lol:

 

[BrainEater]

well a lot of people just don't seem to know what they are really doing, but it's also relatively logical that this perspective or so can be abused easily. it's like we're all children in a way and some children are more aware of the concept of the consequence than others and also some are able to observe themselves better than others. it seems some people are just ruled by the programs of society, that they have swallowed. i think a lot of adults are just pathetic in their way and how they try to show
how they are adults. i would say a lot of them don't even are real adults, they are just sick kids.

also another aspect seems to be how much some people lie. best examples are politicians who sometimes seem to be
really professional liars. i heard somewhere that politics is like a stage show for ugly people, but i don't remember how it was said exactly. however to me it makes a lot of sense, because sometimes i get the impression that it only seems to be about money.
that's why it's logical, that politicians have been turned into puppets of the industry a lot.

the thing that really bothers me quite a bit is how media of communication are abused so much. for example tv is used a lot only to exert power on the population so they do what the politicians say. but as politics is such a dirty and disgusting ego game, this doesn't serve the population very much. they only get fear-control indoctrinated instead of a more useful "program or so".
tv and maybe even also radio is actually a lot about hypnosis in some way and that's the thing that really bothers me.
how this can be and is abused a lot only for greed for profit and power instead of for more useful programs.
we now have to also invest energy in resisting some thought patterns etc etc.

well ignorance-propaganda is a relatively great part of the media-deception or deception-media, but on another level this
only tells us how ignorant their worldviews/perspectives and they as persons are. we also have the choice to detach from
that and remain with/in our own modes of thinking/perceiving etc etc.
i tell you, it's stupid to think about stupid people. it means giving them power and stupidity has had more than enough power already, OBVIOUSLY. :!: :roll:

why can't everyone just be nice to each other... why so much hate etc etc... i think it's about learning about differences between things like use and abuse. if you ask me emotional, mental, psychic abuse can be far worse than just physical abuse.
well maybe this could be differentiated better, but maybe you get my point. it's about pain (and learning from that) and
the idea is that emotional, mental, psychic pain is possibly far more complicated than just physical pain. but yeah of course
not saying that i wan't to propagate pain (and hence violence) or so in some way how it is being done. all i want to do
is to point towards the possibility to see the positive side of it.

wel what more can i say.... just be real and be yourself. observe yourself and don't compare yourself to others.
a better idea seems to be, to compare yourself to yourself in other times or so.... hope this helps lol...


peace

 

[KingLordMaster]

wel what more can i say.... just be real and be yourself. observe yourself and don't compare yourself to others.
a better idea seems to be, to compare yourself to yourself in other times or so.... hope this helps lol...

Well, I've compared myself to chuck norris and I can tell you this. I'm pretty gooood... 8)

 

[BrainEater]

*yawn* :? aranoid: :retard: :|

sorry man, but stop wasting my time man... :angry: :!: :!: :!:
i can get better entertainment almost anywhere, if that's what you want to convey or so. :x
i won't vote for the primitive monkeys, mmkay. uke:


peace

 

[zezt]

Politics is just show business for ugly people

I often try to see our situation as an analogy with a woman being abused by her husband. This was especially so when she was completely dependent on his money.
He would do things to her physically AND mentally so as to strip her of any self-esteem, and that this was a power-move so she would cling to his authority.

he also would make sure she became isolated from her friends and the community. This would be in big part so she didn't tell on him, and be persuaded to do anything as a way of resolving his abuse.

That is a typical patriarchal situation which is see acted out large onto the community.

What could the woman eventually do to resolve her terrible situation of powerlessness? First wake up to what is really going on (because those who are abused can often 'LOVE' their abuser, and make excuses for them!), and then leave the situation and find sanctuary with other women who have been abused and those who provide their sanctuary.

How does this help us? Well, first we have to wake up to how we are being abused. Then we have to leave the situation---the dependency. The only other option is to kill them.

 

[BrainEater]

ah you mean something like the stockholm syndrome.. where the kidnapped victim/person or so develops positive feelings for the kidnapper or so, because of a dependency on that person. i think emotional/mental abuse can be far worse than just physical abuse, but of course both are bad.... the difference is that emotional/mental abuse is often far more complicated and hence not so easy to dissolve, but then again it's probably like the different types of abuse are often related to each other in some way or other etc etc... :? :? :?

hmm as far as i understand pain can be a good teacher, for relatively obvious reasons. and then also it's like maybe the tendency to become a victim in general can be embedded in some people's consciousness, because patterns like that have existed before and not having been dealt with properly or something like that. and people who use violence can well have ego-compensation patterns like that. as if they for example want at least to have control over others, if they can't control themselves. definately a evidence of incapacity in some way.

but yeah it's also relatively obvious how violence on various levels dictated a great part of the history of mankind. i would compare that to how the food chain/pyramid seems to work and the thing with humans is definately that over time it had become more and more artificial, more and more dissociating from nature. and well as we are nature ourselves, to destroy nature or to go against it, in some way surely means to destroy or go against ourselves, too.... :!: :idea:

hmm i think there is still a difference though, between intentional and non-intentional miscommunication. moreover i would say that interestingly the miscommunication on the outer level or so often can also tell something about the person itself and how its inner life is working. same for the victims and maybe they are given challenges to grow stronger like that, as absurd as that may sound, but i think it does make at least some sense... :shock:

like the example that zezt gave the lust/greed for power over others could tell that the husband seems to have a ego-problem and needs to compensate it with twisted violent behaviour. to me it seems that is even a more subtle form of violence. when lies become involved and when people think they have to enforce their shit or so etc etc... :roll: :roll: :roll: but it also alludes to the master-slave paradigm and how some people can't seem to really get out of it. what a sad story...
and how that shit can also be like some sort of roleplay or so. scary shit... aranoid:
however maybe it's basically just like animal behaviour in some sense... because of the primitivity...
and well... i am convinced that women can decide for themselves.

maybe what we have to do is to internalize/reflect why we have created the abuse that we experience and then we can
free ourselves from it. regarding killing i would say let's just not buy into their twisted and boring games anymore and let them kill themselves with their own retarded energy. :wink: :arrow: :| :arrow: :twisted: :arrow: :roll:
because for many it's that they only project their self-hate or other shit on others, because they don't know it any better.
but why should others suffer, just because they can't transform the negative energy that is inside of themselves.
be aware of self-righteousness, because when people use that, they also often simultaneously try to hide it on a subtle level or so etc etc....man, i am just so sick of the abuse of violence.
hmm i dunno lol...sorry if i am coming over as a bit confused... my mind is a bit stressed and language can be a strange thing sometimes. :x



peace

 

[zoukai]

right to experiment with your own consciousness, then the? Declaration of Independence isn't worth the hemp it was written on. - Terence McKenna