Just some writing by me. I want some comments.

[Rymmen]

"It seems like everyone's either sleep-walking through their waking state or wake-walking through their dreams."

I'm not cut out to live a life made by society and ruled by the government. I don't want riches, material goods, fame anymore than a pretty flower, and certainly won't waste my life attempting to obain the formers.

Perhaps this is why I feel so isolated from general society, or at least my particular economic tier, and why I can't comprehend most people's overall actions. I'm no sociopath, though, I hurt with those I love, and don't live for thrills. I have a conscience, and have grown it all my life. I don't even damage insects, unless they hurt me, for respect of their life.

All I want out of this life is permanent "enlightenment", though what that means I'm not completely sure of, or can describe very well. Religious enlightnment is not what I mean, at least not from most religions in today's world; I mean enlightenment in a spirtual-perennial sense.

Enlightenment means the deconstruction of all external characteristics, all preconceived notions and ideas, becoming simply a sentient being, and nothing more. Perfectly aware. I've gotten to this point a few times during my short life, but easily forget it being consumed with my ideals, objectives and other people around me, but for it to become permanent, or, even better, something I can slip in and out of on command represents a great challenge with great rewards.

However, people whose opinions I greatly respect have said that doing this is not a noble goal in and of itself, it is what you do with enlightenment that counts. And, to that question, I come up blank. I have no idea what to do with my life aside from this. To simply make money through a clear mind is daft, as I have no idea how to put that money to good use, and the collection of knowledge is in the same state. What's the good in knowing something if it's not going to change something for the better?

So, is my life going to wasted? Is society right in saying that I'm screwing up my life?

In societal terms, I'd say that I am, but that does not mean anything. I wouldn't mind being a half-recluse, taking only artistic and intellectual creations and live outside of society, contributing what I come by, which might not be much of anything at all, unless, of course, they actively seek out in my brain my discoveries.

But this does not answer my question: what to produce?

 

[buffachino]

Well, this sums up our entire general plight at the moment. How do we express our enlightened and open perception without increasing scrutiny and hatred towards the unknown? How do we stop people living out of fear and imposed absolution? Isn’t the journey more important than the final destination, if so there be; and the realisation that a destination is only the start of another journey altogether.

Education is the only way I see anything beautiful and profound can flourish; open, critical and entire education; focusing on every facet of the bigger picture. All sides and sectors. Denouncing the boundaries between sciences, mathematics, art, philosophy; all predominated segregation of academics and material driven research. Free exploration to anywhere without restriction.

But first we have to show the world the fallacy of the grand scheme of materialism, absolutism, monotheism and there ilk. We can t continue the suffocation of knowledge and wisdom. Truth has to be made known and explored as such, rather than fabricating truth based of restrictive ideals and as a violent and degenerative means of control through contorted reality. We have to stop living a lie.

Peace.

 

[Rymmen]

Well, this sums up our entire general plight at the moment. How do we express our enlightened and open perception without increasing scrutiny and hatred towards the unknown?

I remember even a few years ago, I would have thought my discoveries a product of insanity caused by a little too much tripping. There doesn't seem a way to hook people with something like this without dogma, which would kill the enlightenment we so wish to give away.

How do we stop people living out of fear and imposed absolution? Isn’t the journey more important than the final destination, if so there be;

But means and ends are bound together. Without a destination, I don't move. I've noticed this about myself; I don't take action out of the blue. I mean, I take long walks without physical destination because I love seeing, hearing and feeling... but then the reason I do that is to be aware, too.

and the realisation that a destination is only the start of another journey altogether.

Still have yet to find that out in the context we're speaking of.

Education is the only way I see anything beautiful and profound can flourish; open, critical and entire education; focusing on every facet of the bigger picture. All sides and sectors. Denouncing the boundaries between sciences, mathematics, art, philosophy; all predominated segregation of academics and material driven research. Free exploration to anywhere without restriction.

How would that work?

But first we have to show the world the fallacy of the grand scheme of materialism, absolutism, monotheism and there ilk.

People just run deeper into it when I try to show them the world through my eyes, or become so defensive of their dogma that they block everything out. I've managed to aid enlightenment in just one person... over the Internet.

We can t continue the suffocation of knowledge and wisdom. Truth has to be made known and explored as such, rather than fabricating truth based of restrictive ideals and as a violent and degenerative means of control through contorted reality. We have to stop living a lie.

Peace.

Too true.

 

[buffachino]

It’s all in the explanation of the experience though communication which correlates intimately to their own understanding of perceived reality.
If you can convey a meaning, connection or concept through a means of communication so as that the subject of that debate can understand both points of view before making a decision on their perception of that instance, more poignant and constructive degrees of knowledge will be gained for a bigger whole. If you can show people a way in which a larger concept of reality and or all of its pieces can work alongside their own felt experience, they will believe and follow the same course.
This is the method which has been perverted into a means of control; by closing the possibilities of research and the culminations of that research to the public so they do not have to seek for themselves and also reject any other standpoint because they have no real experience to correlate your communication with. They believe elitist others more than themselves, because they have total distrust in their own experience without ‘expert’ understanding or explanation. They are stuck in a tedious web of lies, which through true experience and discussion of that experience, can be destroyed for a real notion of reality and possibility; which once outside this closed perception is ultimately infinite.

Peace.

 

[alice-esquecida]

'What's the good in knowing something if it's not going to change something for the better? '

You are changing something for the better, by the simple knowledge you're already sending positive vibes. Hey, you can write, for example.
No waste here, you're an intellectual, you play your part. Be happy, share yout thoughts with others by talking, smiling, writing, taking pictures, whatever. And if something stronger (as in more productive ) comes along well then go for it!

forgotten-alice

 

[BrainEater]

i feel really connected, because i had almost the same thoughts like you. it gets you in a deadend.

you think about what you will do after achieving enlightment, this is what destroys the possibility to achieve permanent enlightment. it's even worse: you believe in the big doubt, that society might be right about what you do. you are unsure whether to trust their judgements or not. so i think you are very wise doing what you do, which is asking (yourself) what to do.

in fact most people are idiots so it would be dumb to trust their judgements or at least not trust them blindly. in addition to that many people are insane, driven by crazy ideas or just evil people so it would be dumb to trust their judgements. it would definately be good at least not to believe that you have to be something or you have to do something to be someone. you don't even have to be someone really.
it doesn't mean much.

what means more is to know what you do is good. if you let other people define what is good or not good and letting it influence your life
they win over you. find out for yourself then you'll know.

by finding it out you are also doing something. you can't really say that it has a end or not, or what the results of it are. it's more about the process of finding out below the surface.

realize your true potential and know what you want to do with it no matter how long it takes.

society is not right in saying you are wasting your life. how could they be right? they have no idea who you really are.

 

[Roeligan]

"Life if lived is never wasted"


One lives at moments of happiness. If anyone had only one happy moment then life wasn't wasted. But I think that most people can get more out of life than just that one happy moment.
Some people reach enlightenment and they have used techniques (being meditation, psychedelic usage or any other) to reach it. If that person can teach these techniques, these ways to reach enlightenment and therefor total understanding and happiness, to even only one other person than his life wasn't wasted and he would have contributed his piece to the better good of the world and to total human enlightenment.

But in my opinion there are more good things one can do other than reaching enlightenment and teaching/helping others to reach it.
One of the other things man can do to make this world a better place is to try to contribute to the gathering of information, because without proper knowledge, how can someone make a decision, or even live, not knowing what is the right and what is the wrong one.
Another way is to make life of oneself and others as enjoyable as possible. My statement said that life is lived at the moments of joy and happiness, so if increasing happiness in the world one increases life together with it and makes it a better place.
There are many more ways of making the world a better place, like preserving (animal and plant aswell as human) life, looking at the world and seeing how beatifull it is and showing this to others, creating beauty, and even simply thinking about life and how it's lived makes this world a better place in my opinion.

Joy and happiness

 

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I deeply relate with the views of Rymmen; currently I feel alienated in my daily human experience, everything is so bizarre and crazy when looked with my apparently more opened mind. Why people continue to subscribe to a particular reality imposed by their society? This feeling overwhelms me but the good thing is I somehow find something that resets my hope for myself and others everyday, which enables me to continue on. So it's not like I'm a cranky hermit wanting to be left alone (tough sometimes that idea seems highly appealing). I'm glad I entered this forum