Is structure of the Universe psychedelic? A new scientific b

[hajimumtaz]

Apparently a theory promoted by a "surfer dude" (a quote from the Telgraph, referenced below; I wonder if he uses psychedelics) has the potential to attain the "Holy Grail" of modern physics -- a workable Theory of Everything.

Not only does the theory avoid some of the more esoteric (and imho, terribly unlikely) predictions of contenders like Super String Theory (eg, 10+n spatial dimensions, micro-black-holes, etc), but the structure of the Universe is expected to look like this!

Best! haji

Further reading:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/connected/main.jhtml?xml=/connected/2007/03/19/ecpattern19.xml
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/main.jhtml?xml=/earth/2007/11/14/scisurf114.xml

 

[buffachino]

I disagree with this. A unified field theory can never be a reality when modern science and physics cling to the flawed, bureaucratic systems of laws built up around their own duress toward facilitating a finite and controllable instance of the universe, which is in fact a fallacy, unrelated or concurrent to observable dimensional paradigm.

Peace.

 

[GOD]

If you want to read it you can download it here:- http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.0770

I shall put it next to the bog on top of the pile of playboys and read it during the next sitting . But up till now it sounds like a load of bollocks ........

 

[DonJuan]

The universe is a fractal composed by infinte fractal dimensions.
It has been proven by astrophisics that at the center of each and every galaxy there is a black hole (what a majestic example of life/death taoistic balance).

The actual level of knowledge of human kind is only at the beginning of the path leading to full comprehension of the universe.

Based on latest phisics laws, it is accepted by science that if we sum up all the matter in the universe we obtain only 30% of the matter that is needed to justify the status of the universe as it is.
The remaining 70% of it is left in an unexplored, undiscovered and unexplained "container" called for now dark matter...

70% !!! Just think about it...we are just kids playing in the sandbox. We don't even know what there is beyond our "garden".

Interstellar travel is to humankind of 21st century as traveling the ocean has been to neanderthalians !

But the curve of knowledge is rising faster and steeper... look back just 50 years and see what it has been achieved.

Scientific research (in all its branches) must be freed from human greed (in all its forms... governments, corporations, personal gain) and used to rise humankind to a new level of knowledge and therefore consciousness.

 

[????????]

I disagree with this. A unified field theory can never be a reality when modern science and physics cling to the flawed, bureaucratic systems of laws built up around their own duress toward facilitating a finite and controllable instance of the universe, which is in fact a fallacy, unrelated or concurrent to observable dimensional paradigm.

I understand your point but these theories were not developed by "modern science and physics" i.e. the current scientific dogma; in fact, as hajimumtaz pointed out the theory discussed here was an idea of some surfer unemployed dude. We know that the universe IS an "everything" or all-one organism already, so what's wrong with people trying to put this in math patterns so see what happens?

 

[hajimumtaz]

GOD,

Thanks. I actually spent a few minutes looking for the paper, but got side tracked reading something about Lorentzian Relativity. It'll be interesting to read the whole thing.

 

[HeartCore]

If you want to read it you can download it here:- http://arxiv.org/abs/0711.0770

I shall put it next to the bog on top of the pile of playboys and read it during the next sitting . But up till now it sounds like a load of bollocks ........

But at least it's an amazing looking load of bollocks

 

[????????]

I find this deeply fascinating even though I understand absolutely nothing of the pdf

 

[buffachino]

I understand your point but these theories were not developed by "modern science and physics" i.e. the current scientific dogma; in fact, as hajimumtaz pointed out the theory discussed here was an idea of some surfer unemployed dude. We know that the universe IS an "everything" or all-one organism already, so what's wrong with people trying to put this in math patterns so see what happens?

Yes, but the E8 geometric theory, and the ‘surfer guy’ who apparently equated the enigmatic formula, both conceive from and operate by constrained, rhetorical and inventory regulations of academically conventional theories that are formulated to perpetuate themselves in the minds of the people who generate them.

E8 is itself a century old mathematical obscurity, which has only now been somehow arbitrarily correlated to the infinite fractal matrices of nature’s conceptual structure.

E8, like other scientific doctrine, was compliant with those very same synthetic dogmas to which modern science and physics also conform and operate. Much like any restricted illusion, the trivial paradigms of this and many other theories are misconceived to prove themselves; they do not ubiquitously explain the systemic coalescence of nature to which they supposedly observe. They are simply control based off other control. Nature is not control, nature is evolution.
Remember, science can show you the method, but it cannot show you the truth.

The goal they are attempting to achieve is to map all of the possible representations of the E8 formula in a complete list of its components, and a precise description of the relations between them, all encoded in a matrix. Can you assign all of the possible representations of emotion in such a way; can you assign all of the possible outcomes of any occurrence? If this were the case, then there would only be so much to experience in a finite universe and life itself could not exist.

Now this geometry may possibly reflect some of nature’s qualities, by deductive compliance with scientific doctrine, but it is but one inconsequential glimpse at an eternal reality which cannot be constrained to a motionless set of synthetic formulas that correlate to an artificial perception of the universe.

Peace.

 

[GOD]

It migh explain the physical struckture of "the universe" , but it doesnt explain the why , how and consciousness / life / intelligence .

 

[afer]

I've been recently examining the nature of fractal patterns you see while under psychedelics. And one person from russian psychonaut community suggested an interesting explanation which instantly catched my attention: "All living matter complies with the principles of fractal mathematics"...I guess the universe does,too. But why exactly fractal?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...actal_Broccoli.jpg/800px-Fractal_Broccoli.jpg

 

[afer]

I've been recently examining the nature of fractal patterns you see while under psychedelics. And one person from russian psychonaut community suggested an interesting explanation which instantly catched my attention: "All living matter complies with the principles of fractal mathematics"...I guess the universe does,too. But why exactly fractal?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...actal_Broccoli.jpg/800px-Fractal_Broccoli.jpg

 

[????????]

I understand that the whole universe can't be put on an equation...

but those scientist guys keep trying and sometimes, at least from my narrow point of view, they seem to be making some kind of "progress"...

although sometimes I also think this relative progress is kind of illusory... I mean, we have this map of the world called "science" that is in no way accurate BUT it does seem to get clearer as times goes by and we... er.. "progress" ???

I really don't know what to think!! :lol:

 

[afer]

Our problem is that we are half-animals and half-machines. And we fail to explain such global phenomena as the universe mainly because we can't integrally abstact away from the facts we study. The fish hasn't got a clue that she is in the aquarium as she's never been out of it

 

[????????]

yes, but the little fishes seem to be advancing in their knowledge of the aquarium

Would you say that the human knowledge gained by science we have now is more accurate than, say, a 100 years ago? or it's fundamentally the same? (I know some would say it's worse) the point is: is the map getting better?

 

[afer]

Yes, I believe firmly it is :roll:
talking about an aquarium...the fish learns quickly enough where the food falls from and where it's best to hide..but I doubt it will ever imagine that the world it lives in is just a simple parallelepiped structure filled with water

 

[GOD]

" There Are More Questions Than Answers , and the more i find out the less i know " Johnny Nash

 

[Entheonaut]

Theories will always be substituted by new (and improved) theories. The more we want to know, the more complicated it get's, but it does give a better explaination of the universe everytime. I think there is allmost as much to learn about the universe as one would want to know. In the last 1000 years we have learned so much, who knows where we will be in like another 3000 years if we don't blow up our own planet?

 

[Forkbender]

Once you realize that a theory is true, you will change reality, just so you can continue searching for a better theory.

 

[buffachino]

Has the fish taken a psychedelic recently?
Then maybe it would realise that the world isn’t just a 4 walled glass prison.

I would like to see the E8 formula put into a fractal software program and rendered. That’s more science than is being done with it so far.

Peace.