Insufflation Dangers?

[tottallynotme]

I normally consume things orally, but I'm looking into insufflation (snorting). I understand that you need far less material and it's much faster and stronger, but I'm worried about potential risks associated with it. I've read that by insufflating something you bypass the first metabolism and thus your body is exposed to potential toxins it could have previously filtered out, but I'm wondering if there are any other risks.
I hear it can be quite painful, why is this? Is it actually harmful, is there any lasting damage?
Any links would be greatly appreciated.

 

[Forkbender]

I guess it depends on the substance and indeed toxins that might end up in the same substance. I've heard the 2c's are very painful to snort, as is 5-meo, but I wouldn't know how to compare it with amp's/coke, because I have never snorted any powder in my life.

 

[Brugmansia]

2CB made my eyes roll out, very painfull in the nose, like little razorblades. But definitely a way to spare material.

Snorting DMT crystals hurts a lot too (typically burning) but it vanishes quickly as well and then a clogged nose remains.

Good quality cocaine is not a favor for the nose either but it's very bearable and soft, it leaves more a typical taste in the throat than it truly affects the nose if modest amounts are snorted on rare occasions.

Amphetamine is more of a bitch, much worse than cocaine for sure. But it varies from source to source and on the type of speed.

Pure Ketamine crystals from Ketalar ampuls through a cooking process do irritate a lot, if it's crushes very well, it'll subside somewhat.

- You should never share the same tube with someone else, otherwise there's a chance you'll transmit hepatitis C.

- I don't think snorting will give permanent damage if it's done a few times a year, substances do not pass the liver prior to entering the bloodstream, which is the case with oral ingestion. Orally, the liver breaks down part of the amount before it enters the bloodstream, that's why snorting often requires less material.

- An advantage to impatient users is the fast onset of snorting, which makes it easy to bump with very little amounts untill the desired effect is reached.

Just note that snorting any substance regulary for a prolonged time, almost always results in a sort of chronic cold, a painfull nose with scabs and damage to the mucous membrane.

 

[tottallynotme]

I'd probably be more interested in the 2C's. I still don't understand why it burns though, is the powder just kind of sharp, or is it like a chemical burn. What would happen if you dissolved it in a little water and made "nose drops"? It has to be absorbed in your nose anyways.

 

[JustinNed]

I find plugging phentyhlamines is the way to go.
Snorting is my favorite ROA, I've been doing it quite a bit for years and I already know I've done damage, oh well.

If done in moderation you should be fine.

 

[Arcticpheonix]

I'd probably be more interested in the 2C's. I still don't understand why it burns though, is the powder just kind of sharp, or is it like a chemical burn. What would happen if you dissolved it in a little water and made "nose drops"? It has to be absorbed in your nose anyways.

I could be wrong here, but I believe it is physical more than it is chemical. The mucosa membranes in your nasal passages are designed for air. As such the hairs in your nose are there to filter (and then trigger your body to expel) any foreign bodies.

When you force a powder past these hairs, the particles abrade the mucus (and eventually the tissue itself) in your nasal passages. It's almost like sand blasting the inside of your nose. While I'm sure there are some chemical reactions there as well, I believe most of the damage/pain is caused by the particles themselves. The reason some substances hurt more being based on the shape of the particle (blocky, crystalline, etc), as well as it's size and maybe to a lesser degree any chemical reactions that may happen with the mucus.

This IS just an educated guess, but it makes sense to me.

 

[st.bot.32]

I guess it must vary from person to person. I've insufflated 2CI and 2CE on one occasion each--probably around 5mg on both occasions. It didn't really sting that much at all honestly.

Anyway it was interesting to try, but not a procedure I'd make a frequent habit of.

The comeup wasn't quite as fast for me as what I've read in a lot of the internet reports (more like 30-40 minutes, not 10) but the effects were amplified somewhat. So it seems insufflation affects every person differently. If you're going to try it, probably better to start with low amounts and see how that works for you first.

 

[cockknocker]

The worst thing I've snorted was amphetamine-cut MDMA. That made me nearly sick.

It is a quicker come up, and you don't need as much, but it doesn't last as long as orally. There shouldn't be any damage if you only do it on occasion.

 

[darkwolfunseen]

Insuffalation is kind of annoying.

Yeah, how's that for a blanket statement. Basically if it's not something that is typically supposed to be snorted, don't do it. If it's any pill form, you're sniffing up a whole bunch of cut material that is harmful somewhat. Also, dosage get's tricky, because you do need less material but you may overshoot it and then problems. Finally, snorting means a shorter trip.

FYI, worst snort EVER!!!! was way back when, I was tired as hell, couldn't sleep, and snorted a sleeping pill. Seriously, not kidding, up my nose it went. Knocked me out, but burnt like hell, and had a hard time breathing in the morning. Long story short, munch, crunch, hell enema, just keep it out of your nose.

 

[mindsiyk]

hate to say it but i'm very experienced in this category as i have snorted many kinds of 2c, I've ate it many times and 'most' of the time has no affect. if their was an effect it was longer but not as intense.

well here it is.
to me- it feels like a soldering iron is placed up your nose and sits their for ten minutes. I find it so undesirable i no longer do 2c_. the burning last about 10-15 minutes then is completely gone and the dose kicks in.

the powder itself goes down quite smoothly, just after sitting their for five minutes it start to burn. i've sniffed it ounce and it caused a nose bleed and did quite a number on my nose. all other times have had no negative affects after the burning stopped.

I've had 2 mates agree with me.

had 2 others be completely fine with it.

I must add that i am alot more acceptable to the affects of drugs compared to others.. i'm yet to figure out y.

 

[Affirmatory]

'the powder itself goes down quite smoothly, just after sitting their for five minutes it start to burn.'

+1

I had heard it would be bad, but I had to know what it would be like to have a psychedelic kick in within minutes. It really is as bad as people say. I've snorted all sorts of things and nothing compares to the 2cs. I kept repeating to myself 'Is this worth it??' It was worth trying but I wouldn't do it again.

Ketamine is the smoothest thing I've ever insufflated and the only thing I consider it a decent choice for as it doesn't work orally.

 

[aryaman]

5-meo doesn't hurt that much... maybe just the first 2,3 minutes.
I think is the best way of assuming it.

For other stuff I don't know, I usually smoke DMT, not snort it (it doesn't work well, as far as I know), never tried pheniletelamines

 

[Markov]

I have snorted 2c-b and 2c-i as well as 5-meo-dipt. as well as my share of cocaine, mdma, ketamine, and on one occasion meth.

From my experience, the phenethylamines and tryptamines go in quite easy, but after about 5-10 minutes it feels like you get kicked in the face by a racehorse and then drug across the pavement for a mile a so, nose first. But the pain subsides shortly and the trip is kicked into full force very quickly. I would suggest a does for your nose should typically be about 1/3 to 1/2 of what you would eat orally.

Cocaine and meth, if crushed up nicley, go down fairly smooth, leaving a quick initial burn that subsides very fast. The residue (i guess, I havent really looked up how it works to be honest) resides in your throat for a good period afterwards, which is part of the pleasure of insuffalating it (IMHO)

MDMA leaves a harsh burn for the first 10 or so minutes, but after that the burn goes away and you are left with a very chemical taste in your throat, which then leads to a very nice ride.

Ketamine hurts horridly, like little razors, but not for long, and not if powdered VERY fine. The onset of effects from this (my meory is a bit shaky on it, it has been a long long time) is very quick, and the k-hole is much more intense.

I have seen people insuffilate phenethylamines with very adverse effects, including foaming at the mouth, vomiting, nausea and reportedley, very intense headaches. However, I did not suffer any of these effects from the same batch, but I did see others in that state. So I am just giving a heads up. It may have been that the chemicals were not too clean, but like I said, I did not have these bad effects, just a strong burn at first.

Thats my 2 cent