Hypnagogia

[FluidDruid]

I have finally been able to find and conclude what these Hallucinations I keep having in bed are, Hypnaogogic Hallucinations! I am very excited, because this took me a long time to eventually come across.

The use of cannabis before Bed time or while in bed DOES increase the length of the stages of sleep, and Increase Hypnagogic hallucinations.

I have heard my favorite songs being played loudly, a loud disturbing sound, paralyzed, Insane visual performances of light generated from a single red LED, visual blackouts, just about every single piece of all the articles I have read about it fit me.

Dwell in this state for as long as you can! Read up!!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia

 

[st.bot.32]

cannabis really changes the hypnagogic state for me. lt usually makes it easier for me to enter it and stay there as well. albeit altered... at a certain point and with enough dose i find it pretty similar to low/moderate doses of classic psychedelics.

 

[????????]

Ah, I see this same thread popping up every month or so. It is indeed a bizarre experience and a fascinating thing to explore. How do you prepare yourself? Just smoke some and lie still with the intent of not succumbing to sleep?

I remember this guy who kept himself there by having a bucket in his hand, so whenever he was losing it the sound made by him dropping the thing jolt him awake. Can't recall the username, though :|

Did you get the sleep paralysis vibrations?

Do you think all the weirdness originates because we are not "supposed" to be conscious in that transitory state?

 

[st.bot.32]

thomas edison i believe, i think it used to be in the wikipedia article on thomas edison but wikipedia is pretty erratic

when i do it i lay down generally with music, not always. and don't worry about falling asleep. actually i used to do this a lot without any drugs so it is kind of natural to me. it was basically one of the first things i explored soon as i tried psychedelics and weed on my own. you can totally get CEV's in this state without drugs, and really interesting thought patterns.. especially when listening to music

anyway i generally prefer to follow terrence mckenna's rule.. alone in a dark room until you think you smoked too much! at this point you can get into such a deep sort of trance that closing your eyes is just the next natural step.. relax and don't worry about falling asleep.. engage the visual/imaginary part of your brain.. if you've smoked enough it is pretty much like tripping, you will be quite mentally busy. if smoking doesn't get you there, try frying up and eating a bud

 

[cockknocker]

www.ld4all.com

good site for lucid dreaming stuff

 

[st.bot.32]

if you are interested in further exploring hypnagogia i also recommend looking into calea zacatechichi and mugwort.. (without and with cannabis )

 

[FluidDruid]

Have you tried before? I am TOTALLY interested.

 

[st.bot.32]

yeah. i think so far i've had more success with calea.. it definitely made it easier for me to see imagery when i relaxed and closed my eyes. it's a harsh smoke and a very bitter herb though

i haven't experimented enough with mugwort to say whether it really works or not beyond making me feel just a bit relaxed. one if its traditional uses is dreaming.. i certainly haven't noticed an effect on my dreams (yet) but i get pretty vivid dreams normally anyway

combining both with cannabis has been pretty interesting, especially calea.

 

[JJJ]

if you are interested in further exploring hypnagogia i also recommend looking into calea zacatechichi and mugwort.. (without and with cannabis )

Mugwort works very well for me in that respect! If I drink a few cups of mugwort tea before sleep, I experience the hypnagogic state much more intensively than normally. A lot of drifting into absurd though patterns, small absurd storylines in my head, a 'dream-like' feeling which is not really visual, but more like 'imagining' things. It does take longer to drift into sleep though, because it is a bit of a restless feeling, almost a bit feverish. The next morning I always have exceptionally vivid memories of weird dreams. Mugwort has a strong effect on me! Also when still awake and not in my bed, it makes me feel a bit mroe 'dreamy'.

I have this with self-picked mugwort leaves as well as with mugwort material I bought in a herb store. The self-picked leaves tasted a lot better though (I really like the taste of this tea a lot).

 

[st.bot.32]

nice.. i find mugwort so far to be very subtle.. and it doesn't seem to work for me on an everyday basis. the first time i tried it i smoked a big fat joint of mugwort then drank a couple glasses of tea.. i felt very relaxed and definitely found it somehow easier to imagine and visualize things.

it is dirt cheap (like $1-2 per oz) and available just about anywhere, which is kind of nice.

i find it really potentaites cannabis as well

 

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[st.bot.32]

yeah, thanks for bringing that up again, i had forgotten about that thread..

i never made a tea from calea, just smoked it. it isn't exactly the nicest smoke either.. the most i ever took at once was two fat calea joints and then i hit the cannabis.. definitely an amazing experience..

i've had basically no access to cannabis since september other than a couple joints i lucked into at the right time and place.. (damn i miss it!) this long dry spell has definitely got me into exploring the effects of herbs..

 

[Scarecrow]

I went through about a month a couple of years ago where every single night I would get caught in sleep paralysis before being able to fall asleep. The funny thing is, there were no hallucinations - I would simply be drifting off to sleep, and then suddenly I would not be able to move a muscle and would simply lay there, terrified and fully conscious, until I could break through it.

It was seriously quite disturbing, because it would happen multiple times a night and I couldn't get to sleep.

 

[st.bot.32]

I went through about a month a couple of years ago where every single night I would get caught in sleep paralysis before being able to fall asleep. The funny thing is, there were no hallucinations - I would simply be drifting off to sleep, and then suddenly I would not be able to move a muscle and would simply lay there, terrified and fully conscious, until I could break through it.

It was seriously quite disturbing, because it would happen multiple times a night and I couldn't get to sleep.

with calea? i sometimes would hear sounds when falling asleep. only once did it actually directly affect my dreams, it was quite incredible when it worked.

i drank 2 large cups of mugwort mixed with catnip and valerium last night.. the ultimate put-you-to-sleep tea.. as i was falling asleep i could hear and imagine music in my head so clearly. was out like a light though before i really even had time to think about it!

on the subject.. the above herbs have also helped me on my forced break from cannabis..

 

[????????]

Do you think all the weirdness originates because we are not "supposed" to be conscious in that transitory state?

 

[st.bot.32]

i wonder. i suppose most people don't even really think about this everyday stage of consciousness. which really is quite profound when you delve into it.

oddly enough i had sleep paralysis last night for the first time in years and years (can't even specifically remember the last time except maybe 2 decades ago)

it was fascinating. i was convinced that i didn't want to fall asleep as i felt something terrible would happen, but i couldn't wake up. my body wouldn't respond when i tried to move it to fully wake myself. this went on and on. i felt like i was falling into a black hole or something

i had smoked mugwort/skullcap probably like 8 hours prior, so i don't know if that could possibly have had an effect

 

[restin]

I never know that I am sleeping when I dream. It is so weird.I dream the weardest, reeeeally weardest stuff I even cannot relate to my life but I cannot control it. Some of my friends tell me they can control their dreams...The only thing I can control is remembering my dreams - given that the fucking alarmclock doesn't kill it!!

 

[st.bot.32]

i always seem to wake up just before i get to the best part of the dream

the dreamer's paradox.

i want to find out what happens next. but if i wasn't awoken during the dream, i wouldn't have remembered it.

 

[random]

I remember this guy who kept himself there by having a bucket in his hand, so whenever he was losing it the sound made by him dropping the thing jolt him awake. Can't recall the username, though

I read somewhere that Salvador Dali used this method to inspire him to paint new canvases. He saw the thing and then he tried to paint it. Guess he was "flying" within some weird spaces..


Restin, I also relate to what you say. I only remember having one lucid dream after that "child fase" where I believe, had some lucid dreams, some of wich I still remember today very vividly.
And yes, it's pretty weird. Sometimes I have those completly non-sense dreams and when I wake-up I always wonder.. "how couldn't I thought for an instant that maybe that was a dream?" And the dreams are so vivid, all the visuals, the smells, touching and hearing (though this last one, is vivid but kind of "blur", can't really discribe it. Like when some one talks, it's vivid, but after that, it is as if I were a deaf mute)

And I cannot ever ever.. recall the moment when I fall asleep. And I try to hold on every night.


Another interesting thing about how our minds work. The most recent lucid dream I had, I had it after I found a forum about Lucid Dreaming where they talked about their amazing adventures in lucid dreams, and many tips to help induce a lucid dream. And I was a bit excited about it, because I didn't ever heard about anything called lucid dreams.

 

[significationof?!?]

I found something quite interesting in a book I read recently... Dalí once compared hypnagogia and mescalin through a comment of his painting Atmospheric Skull Sodomizing a Grand Piano:
"The obsession, according to which the jaws are the most philosophic instruments that man possesses. The lyricism of the piano is brutally possessed by the jaws of a fossil skull. This vision is a retinian product, a hypnagogic image of pre-sleep, occuring in the course of a siesta, contrary to the images resulting from the effects of mescalin, which can never reproduce instantaneous memories".

Strangely, it is the first (and only) time I saw such a direct connection established between Dalí (or any Surrealist for that matter) and an hallucinogen...

Quote from NÉRET, Gilles. Salvador Dalí, Taschen editions, Köln, 2004; image shamelessly stolen off the Internet