How much to smoke?

[Shroomination]

ive been looking around for how much mg./g. weight of deem should be used when actually smoking it. so far its been a road with alot of dead ends. alot of info on extraction weights you get but nothing about how much to roast. im a first timer, never used deem but have done shrooms over a hundred times and acid only a couple times, im looking to go waaaaaaaaay out! anyone know a good amount to maybe start with? i have heard of many people trying there first time and not getting a big enough dose, leaving them trapped between here and the other realm for the trip duration, n i dont want that...so any tips?

 

[IJesusChrist]

20mg if you want to go by the books,

but really, it doesn't matter. Smoke as much as you can as fast as you can before your drop your head from the weight of the cosmos.

 

[EndlessEntity]

yea i've heard anywhere from 20-50 mg's i've heard people say "a crystal about the size of a pea"
but its all relative.
from many accounts. best way is smoke till u cant.
cuz after MAYBE 2-3 hits you wont be in this realm anymore

 

[madprossor]

it all depends on how smooth the smoke is. if the smoke is burning and harsh you might not want to suck down a huge rip.

on the other hand if the smoke is smooth, draw slowly and steadily while vaporising for as long as 30 seconds. if you have gotten a proper dose you will feel a large vibration come up through you before you exhale. there is no need to exhale any smoke if you are comfortable enough to "hold it till you kill it." if it doesn't work right wait an hour, change your technique if necessary, and try again...

if you are mushroom/acid skilled then you know that set&setting are important. i am not opposed to smoking it indoors once in a while with good music playing, but really i prefer it outdoors in a secluded and comfortable place. i prefer if no one speak to me and "expect" a response while i am tripping, although if people want to sing/pray whatever that is fine. my main preparation is usually to have some water nearby- a cupful for drinking, maybe a little stream, or even a lake. my friend once said that someone on dmt can forget to breathe and it can help to remind them how by flicking some drops of water on their skin, or by hugging them lightly and breathing with them. then again they might have been smoking 5meo-dmt at that time and thinking it was n,n. i've never had anyone stop breathing yet, but a few people with the wrong stuff in their stomachs have vommitted it up while unresponsive.

if you read Tihkal one of the experimenters had to be respirated after a 5meo-dmt injection i think. i'm not scared to smoke dmt alone by myself. but by all means learn CPR/first-aid and how to check vitals if you're planning on sharing it responsibly.

 

[Sticki]

Just consume as much as you can.... - This is poor advice.

Dosing is the correct way to experience and explore, For a beginner the guide lines are:

10 - 20 mg Light Dose
20 - 40 mg Medium Dose
40 - 60 mg High Dose

Remember, Everything in Moderation.

P.S. Do some research in this forum and others, every one reacts differently and tolarances vary.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Just smoke as much as you can is not poor advice.

If you're going into DMT, you best go all the way. I don't care for an arguement there.

 

[trick]

Have you read some of the negitive experiences of DMT because of too high of a dose and not being ready for it?

shit souds horrific, i wouldnt wana take the chance without testing the waters first. but then again im kinda intimidated by dmt in the first place, so that could just be me.

EDIT: i think BETTER advice would be to try increasing ammounts till you find your breakthrough dose. then venture into higher doses from there.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I will disagree, again.

All my trips on DMT are horrific so far. I find the way I live is incompatible with how I think. I AM NOT RIGHT. REALITY IS NOT RIGHT. GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE. YOU'RE STUCK HERE. YOU'RE GOING TO DIE MISERABLE.

Then I come down. I take a deep breathe, and fuck, man, I better change my shit! So I do.

Dwelling on the negative only exaggerates it.

 

[Sticki]

Disagree all you like IJC, Im not arguing with you, Im telling you what I know and We have different opinions.

Im here to help people have a safe time and hopefully they learn something from it. Taking mass amounts and hoping for the best is foolish to say the least and to advise others to do so is rediculous, You know nothing about this individual.

Also from your previous posts through out the years, It didnt seem like your approach worked for you......
So why would you advise others like this?

P.S. Does any one else get what IJC experiences on DMT, That being horrific experiences with every encounter with DMT?
I certainly dont

 

[IJesusChrist]

What do you mean you don't 'get' my trips?
They are horrifying ! That's why I do it. Maybe you don't understand because your trips have been relatively good, or atleast on average, they are 'good'. A bad trip is the most insightful and meaningful, atleast in my opinion. I have enough time being happy and enjoying life when I am sober - when confronted with the greatest fear I have come to know and no way to escape it for 15 minutes I learn alot about myself and the world around me.

The reason I am encourageing this use with DMT is that it lasts 15 minutes. I would never encourage a heroic dose of mushrooms, LSD, or ayahuasca for a first time. That's just stupid - 6-8 hours of something you have never been faced with before can be traumatizing. Has it made me a better person? Yeah. Has it harmed others? Yeah. So I don't condone it.

15 minutes in oblivion is a short amount of time compared to 6 hours. People who smoke salvia with bad trips never touch it again, possibly the same with DMT.

I guess what I'm assuming is anyone reading this thread is researching DMT, respects it's power, and isn't just trying to "get high" or try the "craziest drug". If they are - should they learn the hard way, or should they back the fuck off now?

I guess we could revert back to Vlad's example, which he at first blamed on DMT, but later dismissed that...

If the person weilding the DMT pipe knows what a strong trip is to begin with, I say take it all.

If the person weilding the DMT pipe knows little about tripping... Put it down, or learn the hard way.

Its a beautiful, scary, powerful thing, but in the end, its just you.

 

[Sticki]

I meant not all my encounters are horrifying but I agree, The most terrifying trips are often the most insightfull ones but this individual is new to DMT and proabably will not be ready for a deep insight.

With out proper preparation too, Large doses could be damaging to the person's psyche / mental health even if it is for 15 minutes on DMT or Salvia. We all have different reactions and are unique, But in some rare cases people go into an acute psychosis even on a low dose let alone a heroic one. Not only that but the experience can also be so over whelming for some it leaves them questioning reality.

Did you get round to smoking some DMT, Shroomination?

 

[trick]

in my mind, if your even trying dmt in the first place, i should hope you have ventured into the higher dose range of other psychedelics first. not heroic doses per say, because as mentioned b4, a heroic dose resulting in a 6 - 8 hour bad trip can rape your mind. but atleast having some experience with intence experiences.

but im not very edjucated in the area of dmt, so i cant offer as much advise as some of the other members... hell i havnt even tripped in ages. i think im going on 2 years now actualy 8) but that just means i have that much more to look forward to when the day comes .

 

[IJesusChrist]

Yeah, I guess the best advice ultimately is that you need some other experience before going for DMT. If you have experience with higher doses of things, I'm not going to say no to high doses of DMT, I think the user will be able to handle their psyche for 15 minutes on DMt if they can for 6-8 hours on higher doses of psilo or lsd, whatnot.

Acute psychosis is a real possibility. That is why some of the DMT therapy studies in the past were ended, no matter how much counceling or therapy one went through, patients were still obsessed with the thought that the DMT world was the real world, where as 'this reality' is fake.

DMT is convincing, but once you realize what it does to you, you're in safer waters.

 

[trick]

whats to say it isnt real? whats real anyways? its all what we percieve.

i have my suspicions that trips to "other worlds" on psychedelics are more than just halucinations, almost like the substances are a traveling tool for your... whats the word.. mind? soul? consciousness? dunno really, im not the best at putting my thoughts into word, but i deffinatly have a feeling theres more to it than that.

i feel the same way about dreams.

theres just so much to question about our life, its mind boggeling. on dxm ive had some pretty freaky things happen in relation to electronics malfunctioning around me, and when i researched it, i found that i wasnt alone. ive also done a very strong dose of lsd with someone, and we were eventually past the point of communication we were so deep into our minds, and as i was sitting in the bathtub(it just felt like the right place to be) and he was sitting in the living room, i remember thinking "hey man, are you tripping as hard as i am?" and i heard a reply, "im so far out i think i just past pluto"

and upon comming down and compairing experiences, HE EXPERIENCED THE EXACT SAME THING, only he heard my question, and replied. telepathic communication due to LSD unlocking some unused part of the brain? or meer halucinations and coincidences?

mabey batches of the same LSD can contain similar halucinations? lol. theres just no explination other than it cant be explained.

nethier one of us have ever use that pluto expression b4 in our lives btw. that was the convincing fact for me.

whats to say mental dementional travel isnt possible? we cant exactly DISprove it, but it cant really be proved ethier.




lol eh, or ive just lost my mind.

there was a a line i saw someone say on here afew years back compairing enlightenment with insanity, i cant remember it for the life of me though.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Pure enlightenment is insanity...
You'll see it, maybe, on DMT.

To me, when I'm in the DMT world, I am convinced, completely convinced, that the DMT realm is real - that everything said to me is from what it is perceived to be - God, Gods, alternate beings...

When I take a trip, it is always the realization that serotonin does not give the full picture. Other neural communicators can operate much differently, and open many new doors - but serotonin is the captain of the ship on these waters, and she's a damn good one. DMT and others are kind of like letting the little kid with the big imagination steer the boat. Big imagination, curious, and contemplates new routes, rather than repitition.

But fucking hell, if I believe the shit is real when I come down - I'd be fucked! I wouldn't be able to communicate my thoughts, I wouldn't be able to hold empathy, I wouldn't use logic - just gut instinct and feeling (that was my last trip: Your "heart" is the most important decision maker)

 

[trick]

lol i never really thought of it from a comming down point of view. well i did.. but being stuck in that mode.. well it would ethier be wounderfull or a nightmare, depending on how you embrace it haha.

cout me down for a life in the loony bin if it means living with the gods. :ANAL:

 

[EndlessEntity]

just to clarify

i said "smoke till you cant"
meaning dont smoke a HUGE dose of dmt
i dont think you could if you tried
but i mean smoke until your hurled into hyperspace
because it only takes a little bit

for me
i took one HUGE rip
and AS i set my pipe down the carrier wave sent me spinning
and ripped the fabric of my universe asunder

and i did experience thoughts about the dmt world being the real one and ours being the illusion
and whos to say its not? doesnt make me crazy. i just like different perspectives.

 

[madprossor]

do you guys weigh every hit of pot on the scale before you put it in the bong, in order that your bonghit isn't too big? i didn't think so.

while i understand that dmt is a much stronger psychedelic than pot both are herbal and non-toxic. the relationship is between you and the smoke, when the pipe comes around you either hit it or you don't. is the smoke smooth? if so draw on it slow, steady, and deep...

i personally am more worried about going into dmt space while i am choking on acrid smoke than anything else. i'm no gasper.

if you try to suck down a hit of dmt that is too big your body will most likely cough it out quickly. that is why people need the encouragement to "suck down a big one and hold it." otherwise it is hard to get a breakthrough dose before the "nearly instantaneous tolerance" that Terrance spoke of kicks in.

horrific? i think not. dmt is to me one of the most life-affirming of all psychedelic experiences. i don't find it confuses me, although i too suspect that the dmt trip is not a simple warped delusion- more like a portal.

when asked about the "psychedelic entities" Robert Anton Wilson said they "seemed real enough but not as real as the IRS. easier to get rid of." the only time i saw an alien on dmt personally it was my friend who turned into a reptilian with big yellow eyes. that required more than 50mg white dmt and lasted far less than 15 minutes. the madprossor has a hard head to crack open. i once tried fasting and pre-loading with smoked harmala freebase. after waiting 15 minutes i smoked some dmt- which made me ill. the tryptamine buzz was longer-lasting but i didn't get nearly as high as normal, just sick. ah well, a skilled ayahuasquero would probably tell me i need to do more purging, also i was not in the right set&setting.

check out "The Cosmic Serpent" by Narby for a cell-to-cell communication theory regarding the "external" information flowing in the dmt/ayahuasca experience. i don't think his theory explains the full range of psychic phenomenon but it's a great start! (i am a bigger fan of Narby than Strassman; i think his methods are sounder.)

 

[MindAsh]

i've noticed that with DMT the best way is not to smoke but to vaporize it and also the average dose for a full effect (depending in part to the purity of the spice of course) is 40-60mg according to dmt-nexus.com and also in my own personal experience lower doses of dmt are actually harder for me since they dont allow you to breakthrough and i find the physical effects to be unpleasant unless one is having a full on breakthrough, anxiety, nausea ect. once one reaches a breakthrough dose tho the only real problem i could forsee is thinking one is dieing or is not breathing hence why it is absolutely essential for a first time user to have a sitter who knows that dmt will not kill you and also that it will be over soon and to reinforce the person to "just breathe" until they go beyond being able to hear anymore. once one has broken through the body will breathe on its own and anxiety will dissapear as will fear of death because at that point one will no longer be aware of such things. but as always know your body and become familiar with how you react to any given substance

 

[Sticki]

The potency of DMT opposed to that of Cannabis is vast.
The effects of DMT opposed to that of Cannabis when smoked are extremely different.

Some people may go as far as to weigh a dose of cannabis, However by eye is much less time consuming and easy to become a good judge for yourself. I dont doubt this is also achievable for the regular DMT smoker, However the advice offerd is for some one new to DMT

DMT Demands and Commands alot more respect in its use then that of cannabis and regardless of its toxicity levels in the body it could still be bad for the unprepared mind, as can cannabis.
People react differently and I just want to give the safest advice I can :wink: