Harvesting the Ego an evolving theory

[tryptophanatic]

AN EVOLVING THEORY

This theory is obviously building upon and paying tribute to the inspiring work of many others, who’s thoughts you might recognize in these words. I in no way believe that it is the definitive theory and if it is worth anything it will be a continually evolving metaphor, as is the nature of existence.

Mass-conscious awareness was introduced through entheogenic plants. This, in my opinion, makes much sense and there is quite a lot of evidence. Thus began creative spiritual and cultural evolution of the already anatomically modern humans . The gateway to artistic and spiritual inspiration was introduced through the plants. All of the basic spiritual teachings in all of the religions reflect what was first realized through communion with the plant spirits, whatever they are. In the beginning of this relationship humans still lived in harmony with nature, but, along with the introduction of conscious self- awareness came the accumulation of self-centered ego. This accumulation, of what we perceive to be negative energy, was continually decomposed and recycled by ingesting of the plants. Very much in the way that they break down decomposing matter and convert it into energy for themselves. When extracted by the plant spirits this ego is converted to a pure form of energy and in turn is used for the continuing evolution of consciousness of the plant spirits, the human individual, the community, as well as the global consciousness. When one has self-awareness there is a tendency to get sucked into the self-centered egoic desires of wanting “things

 

[sopor]

Another McKenna fan, I see

Very nicely said. I agree that we have become too ego-centric because we lost our connection with the plant deities. And by becoming egoists we create a lot of negative vibrations that form demons in mass (colective) conciusness that hold us back on our path to becoming "Homo Luminus".

Maybe you have seen Twin Peaks... It tels us about the Black Lodge that we must pass to come to the White Lodge and become enlightened. We must face (our) demons first. And this is what teacher plants help us with.

The ego loss... In my opinion it is the way to see the world in a different perspective. And by seeing it from different angles we are able to understand that we are all connected. That my deeds and even thoughts affect everybody. The more people will realize this, the less wil our conciusness be polluted with negative vibes.

If the 2012 prophecy is true, there will probably be a lot of negative energy released. And only those who will be able to face it will survive. But it will be worth it. The negative energy will be transformed and our conciusness will be healed.

And there will be no more "demons" in our way...

 

[Guest]

Mass-conscious awareness was introduced through entheogenic plants. This, in my opinion, has been clearly demonstrated.

by whom ? i never found this story satisfying. do you feel like the human being has become mass-conscious ? every time i turn on the TV, i feel like the oposite. remember that psychonauts are a minority of the minorities. we are a part of humankind that tried to found a meaning thru psychoactive plants. it is natural that we praise them more than anything in the world. but the rest of people ? i don't think anybody who isn't a mind-traveller would agree with you. most of the entheogens we use today are from americas.in europe and asia we have shamans, for sure. but we cannot compare our shamans to the america's. here we have muscimol and psilocybin, and little more. or am i wrong ? our european shamans are long gone, and their history has been taken away. lost in the mists of time. that idea of an analogue evolution from egoless to personal ego reminds me so much of Rousseau's "good savage" idea. but i say this: if the balance was so perfect between us and the universe, where was the failiure ? what went wrong ? if a thing is perfect, there's no way to ruin it.

In the beginning of this relationship humans still lived in harmony with nature, but, along with the introduction of conscious self- awareness came the accumulation of self-centered ego. This accumulation, of what we perceive to be negative energy, was continually decomposed and recycled by ingesting of the plants.

i think this is somewhat incoherent. beliving that our self-awareness began by ingesting plants, our "self-centered ego" should be "clean", right ? i mean before we started ingesting them. we had no "evil", no "ego". then, why should we start ingesting them ? to evolve ?
assuming that the answer is "yes" (although i don't belive it), why, then, our evolution after consuming them was for the worse ? we started to consume it to evolve, even if we were "pure". then, we turned ego-centered. that was our evolution. then, to evolve a little more, we continue to ingest them until we free our ego again. if it was a really great universal thing, why are we taking this turn ? why didn't we just comprehended it once and moved on ?
then, there's another problem. a big problem. animals. do animals have a conscient soul ? do they praise the balance between life and death ? do they feel the universe as one ? i think so, i never saw an animal killing for pleasure. i have seen cats and dogs crying for another animal that died (a relative), and after a few days, they move on. they are more "human" than us. and did they consumed entheogens ?

Some humans broke off from the plant cults, or the source dried up and those particular humans stopped spiritually and culturally evolving at the accelerated rate previously instituted by communion with the plant spirits.

i am reading here "when we consume entheogens, we are good and understand everything. when we start doing them, we turn into wild beasts"
i don't need to continue eating shrooms, or mescaline or whatever everyday to know what it told me. it is a strong message. i think i can remember it even without touching it for years. the same question again: if the message was so perfect, so universal, so why did humans "evolved" ? if a thing works, there's no need to fix it or try to make it version 2.0.


and all of that 2012 prophecy...i can't belive nothing of it. i'm very sceptic. sure, i can understand that celestial alignments are powerful. i am not saying otherwise. how many prophecies have i heard that the world is going to end soon ?
when i was a kid, i read plenty of nostradamus prophecies. i don't recall any of them speaking about middle-east. now, all i can see is prophecies speaking about 9/11 and iraq. i don't know what is more pathetic: people beliving it, or not trying to get a more ancient book to comprove it. for me, 2012 is another thing like that, but with a different twist.
why do psychonauts belive so much in it ? i have a theory (now it's my turn). what i understood of your theory is that if we know how to let go and let our ego die, we'll make it. we have to get thru hell to stay alive into the new era. the only way to know how to do this is, again, consuming entheogens. this is just a way we have to unconsciently justifying our "errors" to our society. they look down on us because we do illegal and immoral things. we speak unthinkable things. they do not understand us, that is true. but beliving that something will free us just because we have this wings that they don't have is childish and inconsequent. that will only enlarge the gap.
i know that this theory is mayan. psychonauts have deep connections to the maya. i don't know why we picked this prophecy and not another one, it surpasses me, but i would like to know. why not chinese prophecies ? west african ? european ?
i have yet to see one prophecy becoming true. and BEFORE it happens, i'd like to read it. perhaps i am speaking out of my field here, perhaps not.

anyway, do not think that i have anything against you. i love theories and discussions like this is what perfects them, and polishes the little pointy edges. you have a nice writing style (so much better than mine), and you think with your head, and have great references. perhaps i have much to learn to fully understand it!

 

[HeartCore]

if the message was so perfect, so universal, so why did humans "evolved" ? if a thing works, there's no need to fix it or try to make it version 2.0.

What he meant was, I think, is that human evolution is inevitable to bring us to some point of what? Planetary escape? Well THAT would certainly bring some new hope into the global picture

The message is still perfect and universal. Why? Because of topicstarter also mentioned, since human consciousness came into existence, the goal/wish of human evolution has been imprinted in all our minds/dna or wherever this collective information is stored.

Information on the use of plant hallucinogens had been lost for a long time. Maybe accidentally, maybe by choice (of WHOM, is the big question then ), if human history is really sophistic ally programmed in our collective being here, then I see no reason why it could not have a build in 'leave the tradition to speed up evolution (dominator model = also competitor model)" AND an 'archaic revival" build in at the same time. This would solve some of the mysteries which involve the more or less simultaneous discovery of, for example LSD and psilocybin among many other 'discoveries' that seemed to happen at the same time, in different places independent of each other.

Timewave zero describes a model of history which agrees with this I believe.

Great topic btw

Love/peace
HeartCore

 

[EntheoBhakta]

Maya.

Arising.

Curiosity.

Journey.

Revelation.

Humility.

Waking-up.

Mystery.

Paradox.

Inquiry.

Wonder.

Expansion.

Ordeal.

Surrender.

Waking-down.

Revelation.

Awe.

Gratitude.

Service.

Love.

Leela.

 

[Guest]

i cannot understand this mckenna/planetary escape thing: if we destroy things in our homeland, a little dust in space, what will we do to the universe ?
remember that, at the present time, we are not able to escape. and still, we piss on our drinking water and we are not able to live on the same land.
before we leave, our problems must be solved. otherwise, we only going to screw the universe. all this faith in mankind is definetly positive, and only helps things. but it is unreal and we all know what will happen when one day we can live in the moon, or mars...

 

[HeartCore]

i cannot understand this mckenna/planetary escape thing: if we destroy things in our homeland, a little dust in space, what will we do to the universe ?
remember that, at the present time, we are not able to escape. and still, we piss on our drinking water and we are not able to live on the same land.
before we leave, our problems must be solved. otherwise, we only going to screw the universe. all this faith in mankind is definetly positive, and only helps things. but it is unreal and we all know what will happen when one day we can live in the moon, or mars...

As I understand the 'mckenna/planetary escape thing', it's about evolving our species to live in the imagination which will solve both problems at the same time

 

[Guest]

so you think that as the LSD and psilocybin were discovered at the same time with an objective, also this escape to space will solve this problem ?

 

[JosVU]

to daytripper
there are monkeys(or apes don't know wich one did) who kill for fun. Not just for political reasons like showing who's boss or fighting between clans. No they normaly ate fruit but sometimes out of the blue they attacted smaller monkeys and sometimes even ate them. Now we're busy to do research on this behavier in hope to find an awnser why we do the same.

House cat's also kill for fun. Well I gues not really fun but an instict makes them want to catch them but because they get enough food at home they don't have to eat it.

this i want to say real quick I'll give my point of view on the total story later this week.

 

[skoeip]

about the monkeys, it are chimpanses that kill and canibalize the children and sometimes small woman chimps of a rival pack. there was a good documantery on this a few years ago on the national chegorafic chanel.

 

[Guest]

skoeip and josvu: thank you for your information. i did not knew that, and from now on i'll pay attention to that idea. it seems that it is my theory that has holes, and not otherwise.
thanks again for educating me!

 

[JosVU]

skoeip and josvu: thank you for your information. i did not knew that, and from now on i'll pay attention to that idea. it seems that it is my theory that has holes, and not otherwise.
thanks again for educating me!

Well instead of calling it a theory call it thoughts :wink:
I'm no teacher I just tell you what my reality is. hehe So we both learn.
we just share our thoughts here.

If a lion is trown of his throne the new king will kill the young pups since they are not his and the woman are fertile again! So they just do what's nessecery to bread, evolve I don't know if they have a consious soul but I do know that the lion just easily kills the pups one by one in cold blood. And thats just nature cause he couldnt have seen it any where because then he would be dead :wink: he knows what to do.. And what about us? Well if we kill a womans child you can forget about sex that's for sure.. We do work the same as the lion. If people are put (or let themself in) a situation were we think we are in danger they also act crazy..

And about the cat who is more human than us.. What about my thought:
The cat misses his sister/friend and after a few days moves on.. Friend of my told me his dog has dreams.. So (awere of it or not) he thinks about happy places en maybe the cat does to. I don't know if they are aware of the fact that they are dreaming about it or that they are missing their friends. They just do.. .. We are aware of the fact that we are aware of that.... aware, conscious, lucid.. The cat knows what to do because he feels what is best(for him!).. And animals do eat psychedelic plants..
We too know what's best for us but are we aware yet??

 

[tryptophanatic]

Thank you all for the great replies!
Here are my responses to daytripper.

by whom ? i never found this story satisfying. do you feel like the human being has become mass-conscious ?

I agree that the majority of humans are not globally conscious. Most are still at the plateau reached a long time ago and possibly some have even reverted to earlier stages. This is why there must be some sort of mass change to survive. Like I said this is my opinion from the research that I have done and also the experiences of being what I feel is "evolved" by communing with these sacred teachers. I am sure you have read Mckenna and I think he has given some compelling evidence. Also a more recent book by Graham Hancock called "Supernatural: Meetings with the Ancient Teachers of Mankind" points to this and gives as close to definitive evidence that I can imagine. The oldest art known is Paleolithic Cave Art found in Europe and Northern Africa. This art has been dated to around 50,000 years old. Scientists say that anatomically modern humans have been around for close to 200,000 years. If this is true then why did it take so long to manifest what we consider to be an intrinsic human quality, Art? There must have been some catalyzing agent that inspired the qualities of art and most likely spirituality. The genetic and nervous system design of humans was precisely what was needed for a consciously aware symbiotic relationship with the vegetable mind, so it was introduced into the diet of the humans through the plants. The Art found in these caves depicts what can be described as "Visionary Art" in that it depicts the same designs and themes as later rock art found in unrelated and much younger cultures throughout the world that we know ritually used or use psychoactive plants. The depictions are of the same themes that many people encounter in the psychedelic state: Entoptic Patterns, Therianthropic Beings, "Alien" type creatures, Fantasy Creatures that do not exist in this reality, and many other seemingly psychedelic phenomena. There are other ways of inducing these states but the most reliable and easiest is through entheogens. As for myself, I asked the mushroom consciousness when communing with it and it pointed me in in this direction. It also told me that it came here from somewhere else and projected visions into my mind of a planet being covered in a green viscous liquid and when completely covered bits of that liquid breaking off and floating to other planets. Whether or not the vegetable mind came here from somewhere is another discussion, but experiential evidence points to it.

i think this is somewhat incoherent. beliving that our self-awareness began by ingesting plants, our "self-centered ego" should be "clean", right ? i mean before we started ingesting them. we had no "evil", no "ego". then, why should we start ingesting them ? to evolve ?
assuming that the answer is "yes" (although i don't belive it), why, then, our evolution after consuming them was for the worse ? we started to consume it to evolve, even if we were "pure". then, we turned ego-centered. that was our evolution. then, to evolve a little more, we continue to ingest them until we free our ego again. if it was a really great universal thing, why are we taking this turn ? why didn't we just comprehended it once and moved on ?
then, there's another problem. a big problem. animals. do animals have a conscient soul ? do they praise the balance between life and death ? do they feel the universe as one ? i think so, i never saw an animal killing for pleasure. i have seen cats and dogs crying for another animal that died (a relative), and after a few days, they move on. they are more "human" than us. and did they consumed entheogens ?

I don't believe that any evolution is "for the worse". True, that is seems that way from our limited perspective but like I said it was possibly for a reason and this ego tangent that humanity has been on is a necessary part of that evolution. The ego to is not "evil". Evil is how we describe the perceived negative aspects of its manifestation. Our evolution was to become self-aware and understand complex ideas to manifest them into the world. These ideas were accesed through the vegetable mind but plants cannot manifest ideas in the way that we can so they needed us for it. We needed the plants for inspiration and they needed us for manifestation. As with any new idea or technology that is manifested into the world, it needs to be checked and reconfigured periodically to see that it is used in a harmonious manner. This is why most of our technology is disharmonic with the natural world. We do not check and reconfigure our technology in the same way as we do not periodically, as a mass consciousness, do this to ourselves often enough. For instance, in the beginning of the motorized transportation era, Henry Ford himself created a car almost completely designed and powered by Hemp. He said that this should be the way of the future. This was a more harmonious design with the natural world but the ego of the time did not care and just wanted cars and so it is today that our cars and other fossil fuel based transportation are a major contributor to air pollution. And now it is so solid an infrastructure to the way that we live that the ego will not let it change. Also in the beginning of this relationship it was the plants that introduced themselves into our diet. At first we were just testing it out as a food source in small doses. It helped our evolution in small ways first. In small doses it increases visual and auditory acuity as well as increases sexual arousal. Two advantages in survival and procreation. It probably was not a conscious choice until it was realized by the beings that it confered natural advatages. It is not as if the first time it happened they thought "Hey these are evolving me" but that they actually became more consciously aware of their experience and realized why. It was the food. Until this point they were able to use tools and such but they did not have the ability to grasp complex ideas and manifest them into their physical reality. When we talk about the ego back then, it did not have the immense power that it does now. It was a small part of the mind that has been increasingly building over time. It is not as if, suddenly, ego took control, but gradually over time and generations of humans. Obviously we need a small amount of ego for self-preservation but after the evolutionary plateau was reached, instead of community minded spiritual inspiration from the plants we began to focus on sef-centered desires inspired by the ego.
Also like others said some animals do kill for fun. Some animals also ingest psychoactive plants purposefully. I do not know to what level their souls are conscient but the major difference between us and them is that we can manifest our ideas into material reality. This does not mean that animals cannot feel emotions or have thoughts but that for some reason we are the only ones who can manifest our thoughts into physically real objects. Animals do not have to think about the universe as being one. They naturally correspond with and react to universal flow but they don't "think" about why they do it. We do. In your statement "they are more human than us" you are describing their memory and emotional capabilities and equating that with humans but in my mind humans are specifically described by self-reflection and material manifestation, and not the emotional reactions to lifes experiences, but in manifesting responses to these emotions such as attacking someone that hurt your child 2 weeks ago or quitting your job because your boss made you angry 5 days ago.

am reading here "when we consume entheogens, we are good and understand everything. when we start doing them, we turn into wild beasts"
i don't need to continue eating shrooms, or mescaline or whatever everyday to know what it told me. it is a strong message. i think i can remember it even without touching it for years. the same question again: if the message was so perfect, so universal, so why did humans "evolved" ? if a thing works, there's no need to fix it or try to make it version 2.0.

When we consume entheogens, we learn. I do not claim that we are good and understand everything. The "wild beast" is the disproportioned ego.Through entheogenic experiences we learn and recieve inspiration. I agree that you don't need to eat the plants every day to remember what they told you previously. That would be pointless. For me, however, I learn something new about myself and the reality constructs I/we continually create, every time I partake of an entheogen. These new lessons build upon previous lessons and lead to future lessons. The plants teach you. If you learned everything on the first day of school there would be no reason to continue going. Evolution is a continual, dynamically changing state. There is no such thing as "perfection". Eventually all things must change in response to the changes of all other things.

how many prophecies have i heard that the world is going to end soon ?

I agree that we are continually inundated with all sorts of prophecies that are mostly full of B.S. However, I think the reason that the mayan prophecies are more reliable than most others is due to the fact that they were the most sophisticated timekeepers ever known on this planet. They deciphered time scales that they supposedly would not even be able to know. They used calendars that describe cycles that we still cannot find evidence for but that work perfectly with the solar, lunar and galactic cycles. They also consumed entheogens.

what i understood of your theory is that if we know how to let go and let our ego die, we'll make it. we have to get thru hell to stay alive into the new era. the only way to know how to do this is, again, consuming entheogens. this is just a way we have to unconsciently justifying our "errors" to our society. they look down on us because we do illegal and immoral things. we speak unthinkable things. they do not understand us, that is true. but beliving that something will free us just because we have this wings that they don't have is childish and inconsequent. that will only enlarge the gap.

Maybe its not to let the ego completely die but to rebalance to the correct harmony. It seems that some form of ego is needed for self-preservation but currently the unbalanced nature of the ego manifested must be reformed if we want to live on as a species. I do not think the only way to do this is consuming entheogens. Some people don't need entheogens to balance themselves but they are a very small percentage. I do however believe that whatever we do we must return to communication with the vegetable mind and that mind seems to know more than we currently do. Maybe the reasons so many psychonauts resonate with the maya is that the information gained in the psychedelic state is the same infomation that the Maya, who were possibly better at understanding this vibrational information, recieved. There are other peoples who have predicted a major transformation around this time. The Dogon(who knew the exact location and orbits of the Sirius star system before telescopes were invented), Ancient Tibetans, Native American Hopi, and others. Probably many more than we have records about. The difference between these and the Maya is that the Mayans were the best at deciphering this prophetic information and encoding it into what records they left behind.

If I think about this theory in the terms of "We, who consume entheogens, are better and chosen to be freed while the others are sacrificed for our freedom and they won't make it" then yes is is very childish. This came to my mind when I synthesized it. However, let me say that I will not claim to be a "chosen one" while claiming " you and them are not chosen ones". I don't have any evidence for this nor do I want any. If I have to die for this transformation to take place then so be it. I will gladly offer myself to the whole in the name of transformation. Though it seems to me that if this evolution is occuring it will favor those who have a larger and more unified multi-dimensional perspective of existence. Just as other hominid species were killed off or died out due to their inability to consciously evolve like our ancestors, might those who do not now consciously evolve themselves run the risk of being left behind. I, like anyone else, struggle with my egotistical desires and shadows but I can tell a difference in my ability to deal with these aspects in a more effective way after they have been brought to my attention through entheogenic experiences and I truly feel like a different and more consciously and spiritually evolved person after each one.

Lastly I do not subscribe to the idea that we nee to escape. Evolutions seems to direct us in expanding our consciousness and after global conscious awareness is achieved the next step is naturally off of the planet. It is not to escape but to expand.

Thanks for the good questions and please ask for more clarification if needed.