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Have at it. I've been thinking about it for the past 3 years, I'll give you my 2 cents after I see sufficient cause.
 
Well, if you say something pollution=bad, that's pretty f***ing obvious. So saying treating your environment like crap, will make it treat you like crap, shouldn't be considered a new theory. I think the real issue would be in the dollars and cents of it. Really, if you are a developing country, the last thing you want to do is live by "developed world standards" (lax enough as it is considering the US,Russia,Britain haven't done jack). So, what you'll have is a bunch of little guys getting around the restrictions to grow faster, while the big guys buy "credits" from one another and keep on polluting. Long story short, I'm thinking Apocalypse with partial cloudiness somewhere in 2012. :finga:
 
My end all date : 2055.

2012 may be a crazy year, but nothing of ultimate importance will happen, is my prediction.

To be completely honest I should get some sleep before I post in this
 
Global disturbances rather than global warming. Caused by a whole range of factors both inside and outside the Earth's atmosphere, and both inside this solar system and outside of it.
 
I don't know if I believe that avatar - the outside of the solar system is pretty uninteracting with us besides gamma ray bursts, etc... Pretty sure if we "shut the lights off" on everything outside the solar system we wouldn't feel a difference, other than the sadness that there are no stars at night! :(
 
Regarding intergalactic cosmic rays, see this page:

http://biocab.org/Cosmic_Rays_Graph.html


And:

Voyager Makes an Interstellar Discovery

December 23, 2009: The solar system is passing through an interstellar cloud that physics says should not exist. In the Dec. 24th issue of Nature, a team of scientists reveal how NASA's Voyager spacecraft have solved the mystery.

"Using data from Voyager, we have discovered a strong magnetic field just outside the solar system," explains lead author Merav Opher, a NASA Heliophysics Guest Investigator from George Mason University. "This magnetic field holds the interstellar cloud together and solves the long-standing puzzle of how it can exist at all."

The discovery has implications for the future when the solar system will eventually bump into other, similar clouds in our arm of the Milky Way galaxy.

Astronomers call the cloud we're running into now the Local Interstellar Cloud or "Local Fluff" for short. It's about 30 light years wide and contains a wispy mixture of hydrogen and helium atoms at a temperature of 6000 C. The existential mystery of the Fluff has to do with its surroundings. About 10 million years ago, a cluster of supernovas exploded nearby, creating a giant bubble of million-degree gas. The Fluff is completely surrounded by this high-pressure supernova exhaust and should be crushed or dispersed by it.

"The observed temperature and density of the local cloud do not provide enough pressure to resist the 'crushing action' of the hot gas around it," says Opher.

So how does the Fluff survive? The Voyagers have found an answer.

"Voyager data show that the Fluff is much more strongly magnetized than anyone had previously suspected—between 4 and 5 microgauss*," says Opher. "This magnetic field can provide the extra pressure required to resist destruction."

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The fact that the Fluff is strongly magnetized means that other clouds in the galactic neighborhood could be, too. Eventually, the solar system will run into some of them, and their strong magnetic fields could compress the heliosphere even more than it is compressed now. Additional compression could allow more cosmic rays to reach the inner solar system, possibly affecting terrestrial climate and the ability of astronauts to travel safely through space. On the other hand, astronauts wouldn't have to travel so far because interstellar space would be closer than ever. These events would play out on time scales of tens to hundreds of thousands of years, which is how long it takes for the solar system to move from one cloud to the next.

"There could be interesting times ahead!" says Opher.

http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2009/23dec_voyager.htm



^ That recent NASA discovery simply confirms what this guy has been saying for years:

Divine Cosmos - The Transformation of the Solar System
 
so magnetic fields interact with electrical fields??? interesting.... and light affects waves and particles for real??? wow i can't believe it!!! :lol: 8) and really... i didn't think the stellar realms had any recognizable influences on planets like earth at all... :idea: :question: :partyman:
 
electrical currents give rise to magnetic fields, i.e. any moving particle with charge that is MOVING, can create a magnetic field, such is an 'electro-magnet'.

I still don't believe terrestrial weather will be affected by these clouds of hydrogen & helium - I would guess it would be the same effect as if someone dropped tissue paper in front of the sun while on a space orbit - could you tell the change in temperature?

Here's my honest opinion on global warming:

I belive about 75% is due to human activity, where the other 25% is due to other things, natural causes.

If you realize that by burning oil -> CO2, and that oil came from long since dead plants you can tie 1 and 1 together and realize that if we burn all the oil on the planet, that we will produce the atmosphere that was present long long long ago - when washington state and montana were tropical.

I believe this will NOT kill off the planet, global warming will in all actuality, increase plant growth to an immense level. HOWEVER. Now that we inhabit some portion of the spherical grounds of earth, we inhibit plant growth to a great extent! This means the CO2 will be around for a longer period of time than it had been before - i.e. this CO2 level will decline (after we have burned out all the oil) much slower than it did naturally during the last thousands of millenia. This means our climate will STAY warm for a long period of time. The earth is a very large chemical reaction, a very complex one much like the body, and we can push equilibrium values in many directions... one of which is the increase of CO2 will raise temperature and also humidity. This will increase plant growth, but due to the inhibition of available growing area, we have somewhat caused a new route in the reaction. I cannot say for sure how much damage will be done to species, but I know for a fact many will flourish due to these new conditions, possibly even more than those that die out - however another factor is to be considered: pollution.

With the increase of plants & animal growth (google squid population increase) we will see many more animals succumb to various deformations due to the enormity of pollution in our oceans (google mercury content of ocean).

In a smaller conclusion - I believe global warming will simply cause the planet to warm, become more humid, and increase the availbe planting areas. This is control of the ecosystem by accident. However, we are still ignorant to what our present population numbers & housing will do to the equilibrium products. This means with the warming, we do not know whether this will be most damaging or beneficial to most life.

Thank you, thank you.
 
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