frames and pictures

[BrainEater]

i don't know lol.. it could be seen as a philosophic topic, but i thought i put it into the general psychonautics section,
because as far as i see it, the concept is a very psychonautical concept.
maybe like certain frames only fit to certain pictures or so... just an idea lol... unfortunately it seems, i can't explain it very lol... i just want yall to think at least a little bit about it.
and one more thing. if you see yourself as a picture or so, watch out for someone trying to get you framed. if you know
what i mean... :wink: :!: it's not always as good as they make it appear to be or to put it more simple: it will not always be
like they say it would. something like that... :x

peace

 

[ararat]

Krishnamurti talks about frames every now and then:

Fear comes into being when I desire to be in a particular pattern. To live without fear means to live without a particular pattern. When I demand a particular way of living that in itself is a source of fear. My difficulty is my desire to live in a certain frame. Can I not break the frame? I can do so only when I see the truth: that the frame is causing fear and that this fear is strengthening the frame. If I say I must break the frame because I want to be free of fear, then I am merely following another pattern which will cause further fear. Any action on my part based on the desire to break the frame will only create another pattern, and therefore fear. How am I to break the frame without causing fear, that is without any conscious or unconscious action on my part with regard to it? This means that I must not act, I must make no movement to break the frame. What happens to me when I am simply looking at the frame without doing anything about it? I see that the mind itself is the frame, the pattern; it lives in the habitual pattern which it has created for itself. Therefore, the mind itself is fear. Whatever the mind does goes towards strengthening an old pattern or furthering a new one. This means that whatever the mind does to get rid of fear causes fear.

 

[BrainEater]

hmm very interesting, man... i think (also) that it's futile to attempt to control the uncontrollable. it's like trying to condition the unconditionable. maybe it can be interesting to think about infinity (god) in that context.... :shock:
i speak from experience man...
i assume what krishnamurti seems to be alluding to, is cycles of fear and the possible reason for it or so.

the fear of illusion or the illusion of fear???
if you ask me, the mistake is to mistake the wrong thing for the right thing or so. (pun not intended lol )
because basically it's just a signal that's telling us something... like all emotions?? :idea: :!:
as far as i understand what is a great mistake to do, is to falsely identify ourselves with the transient appearances
of the body and the mind. and as i see it, from a certain point of view or so, the body and the mind are basically the same thing.


peace