First time

[Corrigan]

Hey everyone.
I was just wondering what some of the more experienced psychedelic users think is the best starter for a newbie like me. I was thinking mushrooms but i just wondered what everyone else's opinion was.

Cheers

Corrigan

 

[Psychoid]

Most people say LSD is easier to handle, but I have no experience with it so I can't tell. Mushrooms aren't too bad but they can get pretty confusing.

If you never took cannabis, it would be a very good start.

MDMA could also be very good for a first time ; impossible to badtrip

 

[Forkbender]

Like Psychoid said, but it all depends on your experience with other ways of exploring your mind as well. If you have no experience whatsoever with drugs, I would say MDMA is a good place to start just to get a hint of what is going on.

 

[mrvn]

start whit a really fat spliff

 

[magickmumu]

go for the mushroom .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I would do LSD first, then mushrooms and then MDMA.

LSD (one blotter) is indeed much easier to handle than the visual and conceptual whirlwind of mushrooms. In my opinion mushrooms must be experienced in darkness, whereas for LSD it doesn't matter that much, and staying in the dark for 8 to 10 hours isn't an option anyway.

I put MDMA third, because I don't think it's good to immediately experience that instant serotonine high. It's better to first do some inner work through the process initiated by psychedelics (and yes, pot too). You may certainly experience ecstasy during a musrhoom or acid trip, but it will come from deep insights (perhaps even a "mystical" experience?), not from an alteration of the serotonine balance.

When you have had experience with psychedelics, you will understand what true ecstasy is, and not be confused by the happiness MDMA provides so easily. You may even come to see that happiness as somewhat of a side-effect of MDMA, the primary and more useful effects being understanding, empathy and love.

 

[Corrigan]

Thanks for all the replys guys. Yeah i was kinda torn between mushrooms and LSD really for first time. i always got the impression from what i've seen on the net and from what i've heard that LSD is a more intense trip. i guess that could just be all the stuff you hear about people having bad trips or the long duration of the trip itself. i'm sure like most of you guys i'm interested from more of a self exploration rather than a recriational perspective. To be honest i'm still leaning towards mushrooms because it's a shorter trip and i've heard better things from people i know. I'm going to go hunting some time this week hopefully so i'll post back on how that goes.

Corrigan

 

[Dooe]

I havent tried LSD yet but for me shrooms worked out fine. Had a awesome trip with a lot of euphoria.

I think that as long as you got the right set and setting you will be fine starting with either.

 

[GOD]

For me mushrooms are a harmless kiddy trip . Like LSDs baby brother .

If i were you i`d take a good dose of mushrooms and have a nice time .

 

[Meduzz]

For me mushrooms are a harmless kiddy trip . Like LSDs baby brother

Really? My opinion is more vice versa, LSD is more fun and less serious than mushrooms. I have also felt that with LSD it's easier to avoid the self confrontation. But I would advice mushrooms to a first timer, because the trip is shorter and less hedonistic than LSD.

 

[Lion]

For me mushrooms are a harmless kiddy trip . Like LSDs baby brother

Really? My opinion is more vice versa, LSD is more fun and less serious than mushrooms. I have also felt that with LSD it's easier to avoid the self confrontation. But I would advice mushrooms to a first timer, because the trip is shorter and less hedonistic than LSD.

second that

 

[GOD]

In what doses have you taken mushrooms and LSD . I mean proven doses of LSD , not woolworths 250 mic. hofmanns .

 

[st.bot.32]

Its funny, it seems both psychedelics really hit people differently.

I find LSD far clearer, and far more intensely psychoanalytical than mushrooms, especially at higher doses. I find mushrooms kind of random, albeit beautiful and lush. But I know people who have the exact opposite reaction.

Then again, I don't know many people who really do serious (decent dose, like minimum 2 good tabs) acid trips either, good acid is hard to come by wheras its usually comparatively easy to find a quarter of good mushies (at least it is in this neck of the woods)

 

[Lion]

highest LSD: a microdot and a normal blotter.

shroom: a portion (30grams).

i think shrooms are milder and less mindfucking which can be scary for a first time. or a second time, ..

 

[Meduzz]

In what doses have you taken mushrooms and LSD . I mean proven doses of LSD , not woolworths 250 mic. hofmanns .

Most of my mushroom experiences come from home grown mushrooms and I never used a scale. Also don't know what strength my blotters were, I guess around 100µg. But I can say I am familiar with beginner doses of the 2, so my comparison is in place here.

 

[GOD]

The comparison between a known mushroom dose and a guessed LSD dose ?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I would encourage everyone to use a scale. Whether for low or high doses, use a scale, and write down the weight of the dose before ingesting it. That way if something goes wrong during the trip, others (or you yourself) will know exactly how much you took and what they can expect from that.

I mean proven doses of LSD , not woolworths 250 mic. hofmanns

I've done 300 mics once, but I wouldn't recommend that to Corrigan. I would go for 50 to 100 mics of acid or 2 to 3 grams of dried shrooms.

This past year I've done 100 mics of acid twice and 2.2 grams of shrooms as well. Comparing the two, I found even this low dose of shrooms way more disorienting than the acid trips. With acid I can walk fine, even when I had taken 4 blotters (300 to 350 mics total). But in 2006 I ate only two mushrooms (for no other reason than to make a video) and found myself incapable of hanging my loundry.

Another anecdote from my younger days: I did my math exam on 50 mics of acid and passed. I also went to a family dinner and no one noticed. This year I took a hit before boarding a plane, and none of my 4 travel companions noticed anything. Now, all of this may have been different had I been on 250 mics, but again, Corrigan shouldn't do 250 mics unless he's got an excellent sitter.

By the same token, I find a mushroom trip much more interesting than LSD, because of the rich visual content, even on "homeopathic" doses. You don't get that on acid (at least I never did).

 

[Forkbender]

It's personal.

I think acid is a bit easier, more analytical (taken up to around 300 mics (blotters were tested), maybe I'll reconsider after my next big trip on which I plan to take 4-5 hits of 100 mics and maybe some DMT on the peak :wink. In my experience it is more suitable for 'fun and games'.

Mushrooms can be more spiritual (although acid can too, if you pay close attention to set and setting) and is in my experience more of a confrontation than an experiment.

I can understand however how GOD considers shrooms the younger brothers of acid. With mushrooms you will look at yourself and see what is there, whether you like it or not. With acid you will still be able to ignore some parts of yourself, you might have the illusion that you are stronger than your own dark sides. In the end acid can bite you in the tail. I've never had this myself, but I noticed on my last trip that there was this point where I could shut myself up or just spill the beans to my girlfriend for a few minutes. Option A could have led to a 'bad trip', I chose option B.

 

[Lion]

spill the beans to your girlfriend.. so you gave her a rant? or do i misinterprete?

 

[Forkbender]

^We just had a good talk about something I was feeling, a bad feeling I had about something (not about her). There was no fight, we were just talking.