Does existence precedes essence?

[greenwizard]

What do you think?

 

[misfit]

What is essence, for you?

Couldn't they be the very same thing? Where do we draw the line?

 

[maxfreakout]

yes i think it does, life is absolutely meaningless, even the act of attributing meaning to our actions, is itself utterly meaningless. You cannot escape from this conundrum, the only solution is to ignore it and act as if it doesnt matter = BAD FAITH

ie forever postpone having to face up to the fact that you will inevitably one day have to face up to what it is that you are postponing

That's why you will never hear a politician talking deeply about the meaning of life

 

[GOD]

You have problems sunny jim . It sounds like depression to me , at least .

 

[maxfreakout]

Depression doesn't exist :wink:

 

[tryptonaut]

You have problems sunny jim . It sounds like depression to me , at least .

Who's Sunny Jim?

Does existence precedes essence?

I don't think about questions like these anymore because there will be no answer.

 

[GOD]

Who talks about his problems , in every thread he takes part in ? Who just described his view of the world in his usual negative terms ? Mad-max .

 

[restin]

What do you think?

Aah...Sartre.

I partially agree with him. A human being IS the sum of his acts and every human being is also responsible for his acts. Paraphrasing this sentence as: The acts,life of a human being are more important than human nature, I think that most of us can agree on that. Human nature is mostly an assumption and referring his deeds to them is fleeing from responsibilit.

 

[greenwizard]

What is essence, for you?

Couldn't they be the very same thing? Where do we draw the line?

good point. essence to me is like conceptual art. the idea of something, the purpose., the perfect and plateau state of anything is to me its essence.


To me existence and essence flow together , for one to exist , the other is running along with it.

 

[maxfreakout]

To me existence and essence flow together , for one to exist , the other is running along with it.

Are you saying this in contradiction to Sartre? Or does this fit with Sartre's view?

 

[Nomada]

Does existence precedes essence?

I haven't yet seen any non-existing essences walking around. I only see bodies walking around, and the incredible ten-headed halos of meaning I project into them.

 

[poisoninthestain]

existance and essence are as different as water and ice.

-huang po

 

[restin]

good point. essence to me is like conceptual art. the idea of something, the purpose., the perfect and plateau state of anything is to me its essence.

That quote is very specific, it is about what I wrote in my last post. It is about Existentialism and its philosophy.

If you say that essence is the purpose then this is a contradiction. Essence is the cause/origin while purpose alludes finality.

existance and essence are as different as water and ice.

-huang po

Good quote but doesn't solve anything. Existence= Water because it can be formed (Human= sum of all deeds) while the essence is fixed. That's all what the quote says.

 

[Crimzen]

thats not all it says really
water and ice are the same thing so i guess it means essence and existence are one in the same?

 

[restin]

yeah, I forgot to mention that :wink:

 

[misfit]

And it also says that existance and essence depend on chemistry

 

[greenwizard]

doesn't the purpose of something or the ideal state of anything can be conceived, from the point existence is real?




from the state things are created , therefore exist , they have an ideal state of essence.

 

[GOD]

Not in the case of dog shit .

 

[restin]

doesn't the purpose of something or the ideal state of anything can be conceived, from the point existence is real?




from the state things are created , therefore exist , they have an ideal state of essence.

Please paraphrase, I don't understand a word. :wink:

 

[greenwizard]

even dog shit has it ideal form and ideal.


but the essence of dog shit lies in not only itself, but in everything that its a part of it.

but sticking to living beings, specially humans.

my point was, if a human IS, it exists, but how can something merely exist without having an ideal form or OBJECTIVE, PURPOSE.



from the moment, that something IS, its essence is created as well.