Do you believe that...

[Brugmansia]

...some people are naturally 'lost' within the 'measuring society'?

Personally I believe having a susceptible body & mind, sophisticated senses, and stretched out inner consciousness is the highest possession available. With having that as my basic ground, I'll just participate in the system I live in and fit with the asked obligations with no resistance.

But I see lots of people who're primairly focussing themselve on climbing the stairs within the 'measuring society', having that as their basic ground to live for. Now, I'll even praise them if they have found comfort and happiness with that.

But I noticed that there are some individuals who're not and endlessy trying to climb the stairs while I estimate that the spiritual side would suit them better, for a happier life. So, I have made some attempts to bring them in contact with information that could help them. In a modest and objective way, of course.

But nowadays I have had my doubts about that, since it never seemed to help them to get their path into themselve. I abandoned with spreading this kind of info because I more or less began to believe that somehow, it'll only truly work out if someone does it him or herself. If he or she is 'that kind of person'.

So I'm curious or anyone of you on here had other experiences than I with spreading information for such individuals of which you think it'll change their life-quality for the better.

For the record, this is not a discussion about political structures or systems or what is good or right.

 

[restin]

I hope I am at least partially answering the right thing...

From my experience, I had a lot of such discussions, people connect this climbing up (I personally call it greed) with Darwin (Survival of the fittest, everyone wants to be best) and common sense (I need to increase my amount of money is a natural stance).

I personally beleve that the search for Truth and the inner self is my aim. But I think that a lot of people are comfortable with a good carreer. Maybe, when they get rich and understand that they do not feel better, they will concentrate on their inner selves, maybe it will be too late,maybe they will feel better.

"I don't understand why half the world is still crying, man, when the other half of the world is still crying too, man, and it can't get it together."

But I believe that one should not try to propagate ones own ideas on others. It may be better for you but worse for the others. And if you are looking inside yourself, it is not given that you will then get to any illumination or so.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

"You can take the horse to the well, but you can't force it to drink."

I've sent different kinds of information to my family and friends, or shared it with them in other ways. Some appreciated and used it, other didn't. I think some people are naturally inclined towards personal development en enlightenment, whereas others are not. It's more effective to focus your attention on those who are naturally inclined.

 

[st.bot.32]

Exactly.. you can share information and insights with people, but they have to be willing, wanting to evaluate their lives and make changes--they have to already be seeking. Change is difficult, if not hellish sometimes. It generally implies short-term pain for long-term gain. And moving away from the popular view in society.. climbing this ladder... where it goes... financial stability, power over others? the American Dream? who knows, but an empty, soulless place, the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow to be sure.

I've known people growing up who chose the route which seemed easiest to them at the time, even though they weren't happy with it, and how bad it turned out for them in the long run. Because they never made needed changes in their lives, never challenged themselves, they never had a chance to achieve their full potential. Like a flower withered before it bloomed.

 

[restin]

It generally implies short-term pain for long-term gain

Generally. I know some people who would really not enjoy the ride of the soul. I don't believe that it is the only way to go. You can critisize society but in the end it is something good to be.

 

[st.bot.32]

It generally implies short-term pain for long-term gain

Generally. I know some people who would really not enjoy the ride of the soul. I don't believe that it is the only way to go. You can critisize society but in the end it is something good to be.

Being honest with yourself and making changes needed to make your life happier, so you can reach your full personal potential is something everyone needs to do.

And the society of which we speak is just a process (neither inherently good nor bad), so it isn't going to help you get there.

 

[magickmumu]

There are a lot of groups handing out spiritual/mystical information ( the Jehovah’s, the Hare Krishna’s, Scientology, with there little booklets)

Personally, I try not to identify myself to much with the spiritual/mystical.
I have noticed it brings up a barrier between my fellow man and me, if I do.
What works for me is to, sit with people. Being with them in the moment.
I know I cannot change people, they have to do it themselves. All I can do is be with them, without judgments.

I hope this makes sense. I have no time to right now.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

That makes sense.

 

[restin]

Being honest with yourself and making changes needed to make your life happier, so you can reach your full personal potential is something everyone needs to do.

yes, but that is no contradiction to a career as a banker or so. I understood Brugmansias definition of spiritual as a complete dedication to the world of the soul.

magickmumu: +1

 

[st.bot.32]

There are a lot of groups handing out spiritual/mystical information ( the Jehovah’s, the Hare Krishna’s, Scientology, with there little booklets)

Personally, I try not to identify myself to much with the spiritual/mystical.
I have noticed it brings up a barrier between my fellow man and me, if I do.
What works for me is to, sit with people. Being with them in the moment.
I know I cannot change people, they have to do it themselves. All I can do is be with them, without judgments.

Also very, very much agree. BTW having had a lot of exposure to one of those religions, being brought into the now is exactly something I had to learn, over a long period of time after my escape (and the structure of that religion was also very much hierarchal with the potential to go up the ladder, at least for the guys anyway, interestingly enough)

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

What religion were you exposed to? For me it was Hare Krishna.

 

[st.bot.32]

What religion were you exposed to? For me it was Hare Krishna.

JW. Grew up in it. As for being "brought into the now" it is because as a JW I lived for the future, believing the end of the world was coming and that we would never leave our bodies but exist here in our current forms forever. Coming out of it involved abandoning these interpretations of immortality, appreciating the now in ways i'd never thought of before. Taking responsibility for my actions in the now as well. Overcoming deep-rooted religious fears and phobias.

I'm not all negative about the experience looking back, there are definitely positive things to be taken from it in many ways if you look at it as a learning/growing experience. But I'm glad it is far in the past, and getting farther away with every day!

Oh, and Restin, I see what you're saying now, and agree..

 

[druglessdouglas]

you can take a whore to culture but you cant make her think

 

[st.bot.32]

you can take a whore to culture but you cant make her think

you can't teach people how to think either. or, i was about to say that...

...when i looked at my own post and realized that actually isn't true. get 'em while they're young...