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DMT Extraction part 2

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HeartCore

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Morning fellow travellers,

Couple of weeks back I did an extraction using following method:

http://tribes.tribe.net/ethnobotany/thr ... 6bbbc5d603

Now althought the method works and I got some clean DMT crystals, I was not impressed by the yield (approx 100mg on 120 grams of MHRB).

After the extraction, I forgot to throw away about 1/4th of the plant material I used for the extraction. So I repeated the extraction but multiplied the waiting times with 4. Low and behold, out of this 30 grams of MHRB that I had already extracted, another 25mg of DMT was extracted.

So now I have another batch of 140 gram of MHRB which I want to extract this weekend.

My question, I am looking for alternative extraction tek's with the goal of getting maximum yield.

Thanks in advance
HC
 
I think, the problem in this tek, is in the word "fast"

The waiting times are important to get as much as possible alkaloids out of the plant. It takes an about month to get all the good stuff from the plant material.

The following was copied from a text file THE CLANDESTINE CHEMIST'S NOTEBOOK by Zero

Extracting DMT from Plants

Method 1)

You need acid "A" (Hydrochloride, vinegar or acetic acid), defatting solution "B" (Methylene
chloride, naphta, acetone), base "C" (Ammonium hydroxide, lye), kettle, filter or cheesecloth,
two containers, extraction funnel or turkey baster, pH meter or paper.

Find all this equipment, read and understand how the extraction works, and find a place you
can do it in. Harvest. If you have fresh grass, place it in freezer overnight. Next morning
take it out, let it soften just a bit and place it in blender or juicer or chopper and blow
it to pieces. If you want to be thorough, you can freeze it again after first chopping, and
chop again next morning. This is done to rupture the cells of the plant to free as much of
the alkaloids as possible.

Dried grass pulverizes (literally!) easily in blender. Dont open the lid immediately, or some
of your finest powder will float away. Note that drying will lower the alkaloid-content (as a
result of plants metabolism). Add small amounts of water to make the mush/powder pourable.
This is called Mixture. You can now begin.

1. Converting alkaloids to salts.

o Add acid ("A") to the Mixture to bring the pH down to 5. Add small amounts, check pH,
add small etc. etc. Alkaloids react with the acid and form salts. To ensure that large portion
of the alkaloids really do this, give the Mixture time and some heat(less than 50 C); don't
boil. Simmer it overnight with a lid on.

2. Removing unwanted oils.

o Place the Mixture in the funnel. Add 10% of the Mixtures volume of defatting solvent
("B"). Shake. Shake. Shake. Let the Mixture and the solvent separate; they will form two
different layers, and oils and fats will move to the solvent layer. Separate solvent and
Mixture layers, and throw away the solvent layer (if you don't have a real seperatory funnel,
then shake the Mixture and the solvent in a jar and use a turkey baster or an eye dropper to
siphon off the top layer). Now the Mixture no longer has solvent-soluable oils or fats.

3. Converting the alkaloid-salts to freebase-form.

o Add base ("C") to the Mixture to bring the pH up to 9.5. Add small amounts, check pH,
add small etc. etc. Alkaloid-salts react with the base and convert into freebase-form, making
them non-water soluable, but soluable into your solvent ("B").

4. Removing the alkaloids from the Mixture.

o This is similar to step 2. Add 10% of the Mixtures volume of solvent ("B"). Shake. Shake.
Shake hard. Wait until the solvent and Mixture form different layers. Separate solvent and
mixture. Put the solvent (which now holds some of the alkaloids) in some container to wait.
Repeat this step three more times, and wait a week each time before separating the solvent
and the mixture.

5. Preparing the alkaloids for smoking.

o Place the solvents in some shallow container and allow to evaporate. Do this in either
very well ventilated space or outside. No smoking or open fire near the solvent. This takes
several days. Solvent evaporates, leaving behind orange (color varies) substance, that may be
hard or gummy. Scrape this off the container. You now have extracted DMT, 5-MeO-DMT and some
other alkaloids from the plants.

6. Add some smokeable material if necessary.

Add some solvent or alcohol (spirits over 40% of total alcohol in volume) to this tar,
mix in some smokable material (oregano is fine), and let the liquid evaporate.
 
Nice reply!

I figured the fast had something to do with it...

I'll probably stick with the fast tek but change it into slow tek.
 
whyyyy can't there be an easyer way to get some nice DMT out of a plant hehe :P
 
ProStoner a dit:
whyyyy can't there be an easyer way to get some nice DMT out of a plant hehe :P

Hey Pro!

It's actually very easy once you did it once....

You don't live nearby Veenendaal by any chance for a handson experience?

;)
 
Where are you getting your rootbark?Man from 120 grams of good mimosa rootbark you should be getting a gram of DMT.Most source say it is .57% but I've been getting 1%.Even at .57% you should be getting at least 570mg's.Last time from a kilo I got 10 grams,and it went down to 8 grams after an ammonia wash and 4 recrystalizations using fresh heptane every time.

By the way that tek a few post up is bullshit man.First of all with mimosa you don't need to defat,and you don't need to wait a month to get all the goodies out.I can swing it in 9 hour max and still yield 8-10 grams from a kilo and have once pulled it off in 7 hours. right now I'm a little buzy,but in the next few days I will post a tek for you guys that will guarantee you good results as long as you have good quality rootbark.
 
joevortex a dit:
Where are you getting your rootbark?Man from 120 grams of good mimosa rootbark you should be getting a gram of DMT.Most source say it is .57% but I've been getting 1%.Even at .57% you should be getting at least 570mg's.Last time from a kilo I got 10 grams,and it went down to 8 grams after an ammonia wash and 4 recrystalizations using fresh heptane every time.

By the way that tek a few post up is bullshit man.First of all with mimosa you don't need to defat,and you don't need to wait a month to get all the goodies out.I can swing it in 9 hour max and still yield 8-10 grams from a kilo and have once pulled it off in 7 hours. right now I'm a little buzy,but in the next few days I will post a tek for you guys that will guarantee you good results as long as you have good quality rootbark.
The tek, I posted was about phalaris and in this case you do need to defat and wait.
 
Don't waste your time with Phallaris man get MHRB.Phallaris will just dissappoint.
 
ProStoner a dit:
whyyyy can't there be an easyer way to get some nice DMT out of a plant hehe :P

ehm, combine it with a MAO-I and eat it?? Let your body do the extraction. No chemicals needed... But if you WANT to smoke it, extraction is the only alternative to letting someone extract it for you and pay the price.
 
perhaps i can help here. ive got these files on my comp:
DMT Extraction - Quantum Tantra PDF
Soma's Complete Acacia Extracion Guide HTM
DMT Extraction pictorial RAR- HTM
 
HeartCore a dit:
ProStoner a dit:
whyyyy can't there be an easyer way to get some nice DMT out of a plant hehe :P

Once you've done it once, it's easier than PF tek :)

I hope so because from what I've read, this is hard and you really have to know a lot about it before doing it.
But hey, I'll have fun with my cubensis growkit, making sporeprints and doing the innoculation thing myself. But extracting DMT will come in time.
I still have about 40 hits of dmt left (with 3 others) so I think I will be fine the next year :mrgreen:
 
Well I figured it was hard, had I known it was so easy as it is, I would have done it much earlier. Now I have been looking for the stuff for over 15 years...

If you follow the instructions its all very easy like this:

Mix 25ml water with 75ml white vinnegar (no challenge here)
Put the plant material in
Simmer for two hours
strain the brew, keep the liquid seperate
add a mixture of lye (gootsteenontstopper) and warm water to it.
let it rest
Add Naptha (zippo aansteker vloeistof)
Shake and wait
suck off top layer (naptha) and put that in the freezer.
Repeat untill all alkaloids are out.

I understood shit about the method before I tried it but still got a nice dose of dmt :)
 
Hmm, ok that doesn't sound that hard.
If I read these processes in English I'm to much trying to understand that I don't get any of the process out of it.

*WHOOOOOOOO, my brother just handed me my large growkit from azarius!!!!!!!!!! (I am so happy right now, so I just had to mention it)*

But maybe you could explain the extraction thing later in Dutch.

Thnx for all your help.
 
Hey man like Heartcore said,once you did it once it is real easy.In fact it's so easy a highschool kid could do it.And me too it's been 15 - 20 years since I wanted to try it and have been reading all about it for 15-20 years before actually doing it.
 
OK here's how swim does it inabout 7 hours.we will be doing a 375 gram MHRB extraction here.(which should yield between 3 or 4 grams of spice.
1)chop up the rootbark using a paper guillotine to save time- about 15 minutes
2) pulverize it with a blender bit by bit - about15-20 minutes depending on your blender.

While youre doing this you are preheating your crockpot with 2 and a half litres of water(using distilled water is just a way to spend more money,I always use tap water and get good results).So we just spent about half an hour and our water is already hot and our rootbark is already in powder form.before adding the powdered rootbark to the water add vinegar and stir and check PH with digital PH meter it should go as far down as about 3.if it is higher add some more vinegar,stir it up real good and re-check PH.When your PH is around 3 add the rootbark powder and stir the shit out of it.Let it simmer for three hours stirring the shit out of it often.When two and a half hours have passed stop stirring to let the guck settle to the bottom.
with the chopping and grinding and simmering we are now at 3 and a half hours.pour the liquid through a cheese cloth into a wide mouthed stainless steel or glass(punch bowl will work) type of container.close up the cloth over the plant matter and sqweeze the shit out of it to get all the juice out.It's very hot so wear dishwashing gloves.whet you feel it too hot even with gloves pass your hands with gloves under running cold water and repeat the sqweezing till it's almost a dry pulp.this takes about 5 minutes.you now have a bowl full of a purplish reddish liquid that looks like cheap red wine.add slowly a saturated solution of lye(NaOH,sodium hydroxide,caustic soda) before I go on I would just like to say that you don't need to filter too much cause your non-polar solvent(naptha) will float anyway and the crud will stay on the bottom.So add the lye very slowly while stirring and check PH add a bit more and check PH it will first turn kind od grey and then black.You wanna get the PH as far up as 13-13.5 not 9-10 like the other teks say.with a PH this high you will get all the DMT and will hardly get emulsions.Once you get the PH to 13.5 you are ready to start pulling DMT freebase with you naptha.
I forgot to say that after you emptied the crockpot,wash it and preheat water in it while you are doing the basification .This will be the hot water bath for your extraction bottle.and also in a seperate bottle you should have been heating your naptha almost to boiling point in a water bath as well under fume hut preferably don't smoke.For your extraction bottle try to get a wine bottle that has a long neck.Fill the wine bottle to the bottom of the neck,leave the neck to top off with HOT naptha.About 4 hours went by and we are ready to do our first pull.Make sure that you had the bottle of black liquid in the crockpot hot water and the naptha is HOT.fill the rest of the boittle with the hot naptha and put the cork or screw-on cap and up-end it don't shake for a full 5 minutes.you will see emulsions,but by putting the bottle in the hot water bath and letting it sit your layers should seperate nicely in less that ten minutes.When the layers are seperated nicely use a turkey baster to siphon off the naptha.be carefull not to suck up any of the black liquid,and put in a mason jar.repeat this with the same liquid two more times,and combine all the naptha pulls in the mason jar.You only used part of what you had in the bowl so do this untill you have no more left.In other words your wine bottle only hols a litre and you had twoand a half plus the vinegar plus the lye solution so you shoul have close to three litres of black juice.that means you do the wine bottle thing three times doing three pulls on each one.Leave your mason jar with all the pulls at room temperature with the lid open to evap some of it untill you see it getting cloudy.place it under fume hut and place a fan to get it to evap faster.Once it's cloudy put the lid on the mason jar and put it in the freezer.In two hours you should have most of the DMT pprecipitated out sittingon the bottom.when the naptha goes clear again most of the spice is out.Pour it through a coffee filter and save the naptha in another mason jar.pour chilled ammonia 15-20 ml/gram of spice thru the filter after all the naptha has evaped and the xtals are dry.empty the coffee filter on a plate and spread out the spice to dry it faster and you now have smokable DMT.it will be slightly yellowish so now if you want you can recrystalize using fresh naptha.I'm tired so recrystalization specifics will be posted tommorrow or another day.good luck and see you in hyperspace at the dome on full moons.

I edited to say that I stopped counting the time,but all that I mentioned should not take more than 7 hours.When you basify it's a hell of a reaction and you don't need more time to get most of the spice out.If you leave it in the freezer longer you might get a slight bit more ,but nothing worth writing home about.My tek is tried tested and true.If you plan on snorting it you should recrystalize it about three times.I did it 4 times and it doesn't even burn the nose.no hydroxides left.
 
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