Curiousity killed the cat

[IJesusChrist]

When I used to trip I loved to anaylze (actually hated but I couldn't help it) every part of my trip.

SO: Why do entheogens have 'tracers'? I was staring at my phone the other day on shrooms and noticed it was shining in red-green-blue instead of the usual white... Which means something is different from the nerves in the eyes sending signals to the brain, but what the hell?! Is it ...... Ahh! It could be because of extreme pupil dialation do you think?

It just doesn't make much sense to me, tracers are about the same mystery...

What do you guys find curious about trips?

 

[LsDxMdma]

I just generally love all of it! but id have to say I like the visual aspects and the mental aspects equally..except for when you have one of those 'moments' where one feels more enlightened than before..thats the best

 

[Forkbender]

Remember there is a substance in your brain while you are tripping. This substance, 4-ho-dmt in your case, acts on the 5-HT2A serotonin receptors, which can in fact be found throughout your body, but also in the neocortex, including the occipital lobe which is the visual processing centre of your brain. Your eyes aren't different on shrooms, your brain is acting differently.

 

[IJesusChrist]

Yeah I was curious as to whethere there was a prizm effect going on IN the eye from dilation, or whether a substance was interfering with my vision - which is quite peculiar indeed. The '/hallucinations/' of mushrooms are very interesting, but I would like to figure out why they come in the hues they do, bright vibrant greens, pinks, flourescents, etc...

Its all SO INTERESTING too bad I dropped neurology for chem. (not really bad) :roll:

 

[Crimzen]

What do you guys find curious about trips?

the reason i tried tripping for the first time was simply out of curiosity
i knew that it was something you had to experience yourself to truly know what it was
i was pleasantly surprised

 

[gonzebo]

I find it curious that everything I look at always looks new or different but not in a way that is consciously noticeable, and this happens even with things that I have had or been around a long time.

 

[gonzebo]

When I used to trip I loved to anaylze (actually hated but I couldn't help it) every part of my trip.

SO: Why do entheogens have 'tracers'? I was staring at my phone the other day on shrooms and noticed it was shining in red-green-blue instead of the usual white... Which means something is different from the nerves in the eyes sending signals to the brain, but what the hell?! Is it ...... Ahh! It could be because of extreme pupil dialation do you think?

It just doesn't make much sense to me, tracers are about the same mystery...

Couldn't tracers simply be explained as a light impression that stays for longer on your optical nerves? Or simply a difference in the way that the light itself is processed by your brain.

 

[magickmumu]

Maybe one aspect of the way we see light one mushrooms has to do with the amplifying of the senses.
To me mushrooms seem to open up the senses, so we feel, hear , smell, taste and see more.
More light hits the eye.
I usually do mushrooms in the dark for this reason.

Of course the are also the hallucinogenic effects of the mushroom itself also plays a part in all this.

 

[Mr.Smith]

off topic

im curious IJesusChrist, how many times have you tripped, and on what?

im trying to get an overview. i read your posts, remember what is posted, and find them contradictory.

you have never done drug A in one post, and desribe your experiences on the same drug in another post, even giving advise

ill paraphrase:
"i will never do/have never done X (mdma)" - "when i take x blah blah.."
"i will never do/have never done acid" - "one time while on acid"
"i have never smoked DMT" - " when i smoke DMT"

much as it is a fascinating window to your psyche, perhaps for the benefit of the forum as a whole you could stick to the objective truth.

you know, stuff that has actually happened

 

[IJesusChrist]

off topic

im curious IJesusChrist, how many times have you tripped, and on what?

im trying to get an overview. i read your posts, remember what is posted, and find them contradictory.

you have never done drug A in one post, and desribe your experiences on the same drug in another post, even giving advise

ill paraphrase:
"i will never do/have never done X (mdma)" - "when i take x blah blah.."
"i will never do/have never done acid" - "one time while on acid"
"i have never smoked DMT" - " when i smoke DMT"

much as it is a fascinating window to your psyche, perhaps for the benefit of the forum as a whole you could stick to the objective truth.

you know, stuff that has actually happened

I have never admitted to doing LSD, smoking DMT, or doing X. Ever.
ing opinions at different times.

I find it interesting in your psyche that you are doing this, however. It's telling me more about you than about me, although it isn't a bad thing.
I have given advice on them, from other people. However, my advice often is contradictory. My thoughts are a constant swing from one answer to the other. I have vary

sorry if this is hard to read I can't read what I'm writing on this browser.

 

[Deleted]

how the cat is dead ?
because just it was curious ?

just for answer (with this perfect english you see) , visuals like LSD so you've said tracer i believe , or "matrix movement" are due to "pharmacodynamic & cinetique" of compounds.

lot of chemicals indoles type , (so LSD psylocibine , and lot of subdstitute (derivative?) tryptamine from DMT are indoles --note LSD have a phenylethylamine structure too & is an indolique) are lot of affinities for receptors, Dopaminergic, and more for Serotononergiques .

LSD / tryptamines derivatives and all this family indole "are very potent" "affine" for 5HT1&2 , receptors wich influe on the visual part of the trip, (not only , example MDMA is a sorotoninergique but no visual ^^).

sorry i'm not able to speak about this in english .. :crybaby:

so . i hope , at less One people will understand what i wrote , and the correlation between visuals effects and pharmacodynami/cinetique of Indoles compounds..

sorry for the "pavé" ..
it's time to Go Out Oogieee

Ps : Why the CAT is dead ?

 

[IJesusChrist]

how the cat is dead ?
because just it was curious ?

just for answer (with this perfect english you see) , visuals like LSD so you've said tracer i believe , or "matrix movement" are due to "pharmacodynamic & cinetique" of compounds.

lot of chemicals indoles type , (so LSD psylocibine , and lot of subdstitute (derivative?) tryptamine from DMT are indoles --note LSD have a phenylethylamine structure too & is an indolique) are lot of affinities for receptors, Dopaminergic, and more for Serotononergiques .

LSD / tryptamines derivatives and all this family indole "are very potent" "affine" for 5HT1&2 , receptors wich influe on the visual part of the trip, (not only , example MDMA is a sorotoninergique but no visual ^^).

sorry i'm not able to speak about this in english .. :crybaby:

so . i hope , at less One people will understand what i wrote , and the correlation between visuals effects and pharmacodynami/cinetique of Indoles compounds..

sorry for the "pavé" ..
it's time to Go Out Oogieee

Ps : Why the CAT is dead ?

Sounds like you know what you're talking about, but unfortunately I don't think it answered the question of tracers??

 

[Deleted]

les effets visuels "tracers" sont du a la pharmacodynamie et pharmacocinetique de ce type de produit .

ils sont de classe "indole" , et du LSD ----> mushrooms>>>>DMT , c' est la meme "famille" et meme comportement .

ce sont ces produits qui touchent (affectent) les centres moteurs de la vision , et des perceptions en generales (tactiles, visuelles sentiments ) .

ce sont les liaisons serotoninergiques , et les recepteurs 5 HT1 et 5HT2 qui en sont souvent responsable ..

desolé de ne pouvoir m' exprimer correctement en anglais .

si quelqun sait traduire .. sinon , merci quand meme ,

Have fun

 

[ochho]

les effets visuels "tracers" sont du a la pharmacodynamie et pharmacocinetique de ce type de produit .

ils sont de classe "indole" , et du LSD ----> mushrooms>>>>DMT , c' est la meme "famille" et meme comportement .

ce sont ces produits qui touchent (affectent) les centres moteurs de la vision , et des perceptions en generales (tactiles, visuelles sentiments ) .

ce sont les liaisons serotoninergiques , et les recepteurs 5 HT1 et 5HT2 qui en sont souvent responsable ..

desolé de ne pouvoir m' exprimer correctement en anglais .

si quelqun sait traduire .. sinon , merci quand meme ,

Have fun

I'll try to translate.. here it goes:

[Translation]
"The "tracer" visual effects are due to the pharmacodynamics and pharmacokinetics of this type of substance.

They are of the "indole" class, and LSD, mushrooms, DMT, are all from this same family and have the same behaviour.

They are substances that affect the central motors of vision, and perception in general ( tactile, visual, feelings).

It is the serotonergic links, and the 5HT1, and 5HT2 receptors which are often responsible for it..

Sorry for not being able to express myself properly in english.

If someone can translate otherwise, thanks anyway."
[/Translation]

I think this is a truthful translation of Dr.Oogie's post.

Maybe I should start working as a forum english/french translator

 

[Deleted]

perfect ,

"si j' avais su que tu etais si bon j' aurais meme pu devolloper la question plus en profondeur ^^"

thanks much

Friendly

 

[ochho]

"si j' avais su que tu etais si bon j' aurais meme pu devolloper la question plus en profondeur ^^"

hehe ptetre la prochaine fois alors dis moi si t'as besoin d'autre translations dans le futur.. mais pas mtnant, la jvais dormir 4h du mat

 

[IJesusChrist]

You basically just told me that LSD and Mushrooms interact with my receptors.

THANKS, You just blew my mind. Lolz