Contaimination

[user_1919]

Hello,

I was wondering about contaimination. My cakes have become contiminated because when there were taken out of the jars, there was little spots that were not covered in myclieum. These spots have developed a blueish-green colour, which I believe is some type of contaiminate. Should the cakes be thrown out? I know it is very dangerous to play with contaimination, because some bacterias can kill you!

I had one question. If the mushrooms were made into tea, or the active chemical extracted, would there be a problem with harmful bacteria's?

Thanks
PEACE & LOVE

 

[Pariah]

If its a blue green colour it's unlikely to be bacteria (although still possible).

If it's just a localised thing, try cutting out the offending part.

you've got me interested now what consistency is the contaminant? slimey, furry, raised, etc. or is it just discoloured?


If your interested in finding out what it is for definite: and if your in school / uni, you could take it along to the science department - if you seem interested enough in microbiology (say you want to find out whether its fungi / yeast or bacteria) they might let you take a look at it under a microscope or let you do a gram stain on it.

In my opinion the mushroom would be fine to make into tea, but I'd avoid doing anything with the actual mycelium cake.

 

[user_1919]

Thanks Pariah,

I would say the 'infected area' is just discoloured. I would also say that the cakes are more less blueish-gray. I have one more question, because I have noticed some blueing from handling the cakes; can the cake turn blue due to a reaction of psilocybin in the cakes?

 

[Pariah]

I think I can remember reading that many psilocybes bruise blue (oxidation of chemicals inside), I can't remember if it's psilocybin reacting or other chemicals - I have a feeling its others.

My opinion is that everything's fine... but might want to get a second opinion - I'm more of a bacteriologist than mycologist - a priority of bacteriologists is avoiding fungal contaminants - they tend to overtake and kill bacterial growth - which is good news for mushroom growers


Pariah

 

[HeartCore]

If you can wipe it off, it's bad.

If you can't, it's most likely blueing.

 

[user_1919]

I can wipe it off. Well not wipe it off, but rather pick it out. I have a question, the amount of contaimation is so minute that I can hardly see it. In order for the mushrooms to be unhealthly or lethal, do you have to have a good part of the cake contaiminated; and if only a very small amount of present, can it still be lethal? About an area of 5mm there is a grayish/blueish area. I cannot see this being a big deal, but I do not want to take any chances. Also I did not see any contaimination until I took the cakes out of the jars and put them into the terrium. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[HeartCore]

No one can tell you. Personally, I throw every contam out.

 

[user_1919]

Ok, I need to know if this is true

8.) If I have a foreign contaminate invade my crop will it make the mushrooms I grow poisoness and dangerous to consume?

Answer) This is a very common worry I hear from most cultivators and the answer is very simple. There is no such thing as a contaminated mushroom. Mushrooms that grow in the wild have dozens of different molds that grow right along with the mycelium and they have no effect on the mushroom itself. Believe me, if anyone was ever harmed from eating a "contaminated mushroom" the news media would jump on the opportunity to make the shrooms look like dangerous drugs. Nowhere in recorded medical history has anyone ever been harmed, either physically or mentally, from the ingestion of psilocin/psilocybin based mushrooms.

http://shroomwizard.com/faq.html

 

[JustinNed]

Hrm, that's really interesting, I wonder what GOD has to say. I also wanted to add in to this, what would happen if you had wet spots on the bottom, and just went through with the growing process? The mycelium is growing on the very top (about 2cm under dry vermiculite layer) could I pull out before it hit the bottom?

 

[user_1919]

Hello All,
Today I finished the whole process, everything has been cleaned out and put away. I decided to cut open the cakes to see if the contamination has spread to inside the cake. When I cut it open I did not see any contamination. The only sign of contamination is on the uncolinzed part which is on the outside the of the cake, it has on a few cakes a puff grey-brown contamination on it, but has not spread anywhere else. The fact that it is on uncolizened part of the cakes means that it is not hook up to the mycleium network, and if the mycleium network transports nutrients from all over the network, it wouldn't be able to transport from the contamination because it is on a uncolized part.

And Yes I still am going to throw these mushrooms out, but it's going to be very hard, they look perfectly normal in everyway, even the cake looked pretty normal other than a slight grey-brown spot on a few of the cakes. Also if it was a bacteria or mold, would it spread? and fast? The contamination or whatever it was did not grow anymore than it has started with.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[GOD]

Its probably oxidation of Psilocybin because you have been touching your cakes with to much preasure , or normal blue / green mold . You shouldnt be touching them at all . NEVER . When you see any contamination at all you should ALLWAYS throw the jars un opened away or you will breed contaminants not mushrooms . You cant see individual bacteria or fungi spores . The contaminants produce billions of them and you spread them round your growing place with every breath and everytime you touch your cakes or open the jars . Without knowing exactly what your contaminant is no one can say how dangerous it is , telepathic long distance diagnosies by other people who have contamination problems , and breed them , are not good people to take advice off .

What Pariah said is good , experts in universitys are usualy quite friendly and very helpfull if you dont tell them you are growing drugs . If you take a q-tip rub it on the contaminent and put that on an agar and malt mix and sterilise it in a petri dish you can probably grow it and then take the petri dish in and not the illegal cake .

"I had one question. If the mushrooms were made into tea, or the active chemical extracted, would there be a problem with harmful bacteria's"

No one can say untill they know exactly what your contaminant is .

"a priority of bacteriologists is avoiding fungal contaminants"

That comes from a bacteriologist . The same is true the other way round for mushrooms . Rule nr. 1 with mushroom growing is if it isnt healthy throw it away unopened imediately . Untill you learn that you are going to have big problems wich can only get bigger . I`ve done an experiment with extracting the harmala alkaloids from P.Harmala and then a few hours later walked around my apartment with only an UV lamp . It makes the Harmala visible because it is florescent . You are going to get a BIG shock if you do it , and you will then understand what i`m talking about with spreading contamination . When you tread in dog shit doesnt it stick to your shoe ? Doesnt it get spread all over the place ? Can you live in a room with someone who has TB and not get it ??? What happens to people who dont wash their hands after going to the toilet ?

"Any advice would be greatly appreciated. "

So why arent you taking it ? Why are you touching your cakes ? Why havent you cased ? Why havent you thrown them away unopened ?

"There is no such thing as a contaminated mushroom."

That is a very ignorant LIE . Again you are listening to sharlatans . I`ve seen contaminated mushrooms very many times . Contaminated with other fungus and with bacteria . And as i said the spores get on the mushrooms to . Maybe you should read up on Aspergilus Niger . Then about the Tutanchkamun discoverers deaths . Some of who died 30 years after breathing in the spores .

If a cake grows much slower than the others , or some parts dont get colonised and you cant see contamination throw it away .

You cant cut the mold of bread or cheese because the bit you see is only the flowers / sexual organs and the myceleum is spread through the rest .


THROW THEM AWAY AND START AGAIN .

 

[user_1919]

Thanks GOD,

I thought I mentioned this many many times, but my jars were sterile before they were put into the growbox. I had tiny spots of uncolinzed area, and was in a rush, so they went into the growbox, and it is there that they developed this 'contamination'. It is not blue/green mold because its not blue or green, its gray-black that is only growing on the uncolinzed area of the cake. My cakes were not infected in the inside, but as you said, the mold spores can travel to other parts of the cake without an visible apperance. Also there is some oxidation of Psilocybin, but it is a different colour than the contamination.

THROW THEM AWAY AND START AGAIN .

Thats my plan, in a couple of years. Right now I only have 2 months and then I move to British Columbia for University. It is sort of pointless to grow right now, because by the time they harvest, I will have to leave. And when I get to University, I am not taking my chances and growing in my dorm.

And GOD, I am throwing them away, I just wanted to see the mushrooms grow. It is so beautiful, it's going to be a shame to throw them away, but being alive is better.

Thanks for the advice GOD and everyone else

PEACE & LOVE