closed-eye visuals

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are they considered hallucinations?

Last time I got really fucked up from smoking weed, I went to bed, put a light pillow over my face and I went on an ethereal journey through the third dimension. Fuckin' awesome. I felt like I could control which direction to go and if it got too weird, I could control what images were being projected (eg, from demonic and sickening to geometric and sublime).

It was wicked!

Just want to know it it was the first time I hallucinated is all.

 

[Forkbender]

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination

A hallucination, in the broadest sense, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space. The latter definition distinguishes hallucinations from the related phenomena of dreaming, which does not involve consciousness; illusion, which involves distorted or misinterpreted real perception; imagery, which does not mimic real perception and is under voluntary control; and pseudohallucination, which does not mimic real perception, but is not under voluntary control. Hallucinations also differ from "delusional perceptions", in which a correctly sensed and interpreted genuine perception is given some additional (and typically bizarre) significance.

I think it was heightened imagery. But my guess is you could twist words to make it fit. :wink:

 

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yabut:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Closed_eye_hallucinations

Closed-eye hallucinations and closed-eye visualizations (CEV) are a distinct class of hallucination. These types of hallucinations generally only occur when one's eyes are closed or when one is in a darkened room. They should not be confused with phosphenes, perceived light and shapes when pressure is applied to the eye's retina.

no discernible pressure was on my eyes from the pillow.

 

[Forkbender]

That is hallucination in the broadest sense (i.e. no external stimulus, although the drug can be considered a stimulus).

If you want to call it hallucination it is okay, but it isn't like you saw things in the real world that weren't there. Real hallucinations are hard to come by, though. They may occur with the use of dissociatives, along with other (possibly disastrous) effects.

I think hallucinations are overrated.

 

[Meduzz]

No.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination

A hallucination, in the broadest sense, is a perception in the absence of a stimulus. In a stricter sense, hallucinations are defined as perceptions in a conscious and awake state in the absence of external stimuli which have qualities of real perception, in that they are vivid, substantial, and located in external objective space. The latter definition distinguishes hallucinations from the related phenomena of dreaming, which does not involve consciousness; illusion, which involves distorted or misinterpreted real perception; imagery, which does not mimic real perception and is under voluntary control; and pseudohallucination, which does not mimic real perception, but is not under voluntary control. Hallucinations also differ from "delusional perceptions", in which a correctly sensed and interpreted genuine perception is given some additional (and typically bizarre) significance.

I think it was heightened imagery. But my guess is you could twist words to make it fit. :wink:

The definition still fits imagery on your eyelids.

 

[Brugmansia]

Hallucinations only on deliriants. They are in no way comparable with distortions on entheogens.

Elaborated surreal interactions with an existing world which is accepted as real with normal levels of consciousness. Frank hallucinations are witnessed sober. Most likely one never has the feeling of losing it.

The chick who filmed this whole episode said that the guy wasn't accessible at all for any of their attempts to get his attention. He's in a completely other sober world while his body is just in the room.

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=34297 This report also sums up hallucinations very well.

Entheogens are lots of new realities in psychological thinking, change in visual observations with open eyes are minor.

Deliriants seem to be new realities in the observation with open eyes, but new psychological observations seem to be minor.

 

[significationof?!?]

I've had hallucinations twice in my life.
Once, I had high fever, and my bed sheets were made of moving parts that I absolutely had to rearrange, while I heard many voices like in a market. I namely recall being offered money for my lizards. I got some aspirin, and could get some sleep after that fever went down.
The other time, I had been stupid enough to want to see what anticholinergic delirium was all about. I saw "fruit flies" in shadowy corners, and "heard my name" (not exactly it, but it's the best way to describe it) many times. Very unpleasant body load on top of that, and I'm grateful I wasn't stupid enough to pursue experimentation further.

So hallucinations =/= fun. Why you would want them if you are not a very skilled, full time shaman, I don't know.

Now, as for visual distoritions and such, they're a nice side effects of psychedelics in my opinion, but far from what the experience is all about. If you picture entheogens as being a simple light show, you're in for a surprise. And whatever was what you saw when high, visuals, hallucinations of otherwise; there's no point in putting a "scale" where it's either a true visual or not. You make what you want of it.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I've had hallucinations twice in my life.
Once, I had high fever, and my bed sheets were made of moving parts that I absolutely had to rearrange, while I heard many voices like in a market.

Haha reminds me of when I was around 7, had a temp of 102+, I hallucinated ALOT that night, I kept seeing red balls, webs, ceiling spiders, myself being on the ceiling... when I shut my eyes I couldn't tell where I was - my orientation, I felt like I was falling. I woke up the next morning to a web, with a red ball in the center coming at me - I remember screaming really loud. Hallucinations are very weirrrrddd!! Distortions different.

 

[restin]

yes, fever hallucinations/dreams are very strange and unpleasant.

 

[Dantediv86]

when my mom woke up from her coma she was still having effects from the medicines and she saw the christ on the cross on the opposite side of the rom waving at her...and she's not religious.....

 

[????????]

CEVs are not hallucinations because you are aware you are making them, as opposed to the fever examples.

i've said it before, i don't like the word. people who have never done it get the wrong idea.

 

[st.bot.32]

I used to have a lot of hypnagogic hallucinations
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypnagogia when I was a little kid, had it checked out and it turned out it was completely normal. I still get these but very rarely (like one morning every few years or something)

Generally they aren't creepy. For example, waking up and seeing somebody I know in the room doing something, until I start moving around a lot.. then the hallucinations vanish and I realize the person wasn't actually there. I'm at the point now though where I wouldn't really call them hallucinations anymore anyway, they are accompanied by a dreamlike "feeling" that I just recognize..

Before I took any psychedelics I used to play frequently with hypnagogic states, almost on an everyday basis. To the point of getting quite vivid CEV's.

Psychedelic visuals are completely different for me, far less erratic, far more sustainable... sort of like a feedback loop starts between what I am imagining, and what I am seeing, and they start reinforcing each other. I love trancing out and letting my imagination go wild while tripping

 

[betadius]

my only hallucination ever due to: sleep paralysis

NOT FUN, the most scared I've ever been in my life

 

[significationof?!?]

I actually find hypnagogic image/sounds to be more akin to visuals (and whatever semantic equivalent for sounds, if it exists?) than real hallucinations. I can kind of "control" them (more like choose to dismiss them or not) and I am aware of what they are... unlike true hallucinations. I've never experienced sleep paralysis though, sounds terrifying indeed.

 

[GOD]

You have to have your eyes open to hallucinate and deleriants arent the only things that cause hallucinations . LSD , Ayahuasca , Mascaline/cacti and Psilocybe mushrooms can to .

 

[Nina_is_alive]

sleep paralysis though, sounds terrifying indeed.

haha I have that happen to me quite often actually
you can't move and can hardly wake up
like you still dream with your eyes open for a few moments
and you see things
it often happens when I'm trying to wake myself from a nightmare
especially if I become lucid towards the end of the nightmare
lucid enough to wake up, not lucid enough to make the imigary go away

It's terrifying but at this point
once you can wake up and assure to yourself that you are more alive than you thought you were minutes ago
it really is okay

I've had the sitting ghost visuals once before
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sleep_paralysis