Cannabis, Mushrooms, MDMA, Nitrous, and Cigarettes

[OneTwoThree]

Is anyone aware of any negative effects of this combination? Basically, the plan is to take the mushrooms, then take the e one hour later, and then hit the nitrous once the e peaks, of course smoking cigarettes and weed throughout the entire experience. It'll take place in a wide open, sparsely populated nature area. Is there anything I should look out for?

 

[Forkbender]

Why this combination? Why not just take more mushrooms?

 

[greenwizard]

you just have to be aware of your own limitations.


I agree with forkbender, in nature , mushrooms is the best.

 

[OneTwoThree]

Why this combination? Why not just take more mushrooms?

That's simply not the trip I'm looking for. Because I'm tripping with a few friends, the positivity and emotional connection from the MDMA is invaluable. The nitrous is there to provide a significant boost at the peak of the experience; you'd have a hard time replicating nitrous' effects by taking more mushrooms. The cigarettes and bud are a given; cigarettes compliment a roll and bud compliments just about everything.

Thanks for the input. No physical dangers here to worry about?

 

[GOD]

Its called being polytoxic . Stop abusing drugs for 6 months and then take a decent dose of mushrooms and you wont feel like adding anything to it .

 

[OneTwoThree]

Its called being polytoxic . Stop abusing drugs for 6 months and then take a decent dose of mushrooms and you wont feel like adding anything to it .

Hmm, I don't believe it's called being polytoxic, as I can't find that word defined anywhere on the internet. Anyway, I've taken mushrooms before and I enjoy the experience immensely. I simply think MDMA would combine well. As far as taking a 6 month break from 'abusing' drugs, I'd say this is the only trip I've planned which might border on abuse. Of course, it'll be the last trip for a good while.

 

[GOD]

Polytoxic means poly = many , + toxic . I`m suprised you cant find the word as scrooogle spits it out .

I mean either you havent taken a decent amount of mushrooms and / or you are takeing to many drugs to often . What mushrooms have you taken , in what dose and how often ?

 

[OneTwoThree]

Polytoxic means poly = many , + toxic . I`m suprised you cant find the word as scrooogle spits it out .

I mean either you havent taken a decent amount of mushrooms and / or you are takeing to many drugs to often . What mushrooms have you taken , in what dose and how often ?

Oh I decoded your invented word, but it's not one that has been in use so it could have a variety of meanings. Toxic to multiple parts of the body/brain? Toxic in combination with other chemicals? Not to be rude, but if you're expecting someone to fully understand your communication then you should stick to the standard lexicon.

I mean either you havent taken a decent amount of mushrooms and / or you are takeing to many drugs to often . What mushrooms have you taken , in what dose and how often ?

Where's this coming from? Ive tripped on mushrooms 4 times in the past (psilocybe cubensis). I don't see where the assumption that I've done too many drugs too often comes from.

 

[GOD]

Lets not argue .

I didnt invent the word its comonly used to describe someone who abuses several drugs . If you look in google you will find the word in conection with drugs .

I didnt say youve done to many drugs to many times .

You didnt say how much each dose of Cubensis you took was or if they were fresh , dry or in a tea .

 

[Forkbender]

Because I'm tripping with a few friends, the positivity and emotional connection from the MDMA is invaluable.

Okay. I'd take the MDMA before the mushrooms (~45 minutes), as it will flatten the trip if you take it after.

The nitrous is there to provide a significant boost at the peak of the experience; you'd have a hard time replicating nitrous' effects by taking more mushrooms.

That's just not true. The effects wouldn't be the same as with nitrous, but far more enlightening (and I would say interesting).

The cigarettes and bud are a given; cigarettes compliment a roll and bud compliments just about everything.

Yet mushrooms and cigarettes? Yuck.

Thanks for the input. No physical dangers here to worry about?

If your heart starts racing from weed/mdma, just calm yourself down. It might be a bit too much, as you don't have a lot of experience with mushrooms. If you are a healthy person, this combination will probably do no physical harm directly (I've seen people survive more), but it is better to be safe than sorry. The biggest risk is psychological, imho. There are just too many factors in this equation to properly predict what is going to happen. It might be wonderful and it might be hellish. Seeing that you are planning to take it with friends in a safe environment (good!), it is probably best if you decide on the spot if you want to do something and not let a program dictate your experience.

How much mushrooms / mdma were you planning on taking?

 

[OneTwoThree]

Okay. I'd take the MDMA before the mushrooms (~45 minutes), as it will flatten the trip if you take it after.

Hmm, that's good to know.

The main issue I have with taking the MDMA before the mushrooms would be coming down off the roll before the trip. I'm sure we'll have enough bud that the comedown wont be a major issue; however, it seems it would be better to feel the MDMA during the end of a trip, than to trip during an MDMA comedown. Then again, we'll probably get molly so the comedown should be pretty easy.

What exactly do you mean by 'flatten the trip?' Do you mean it'll be somewhat sobering, or that it'll reduce the psychedelic intensity, or that it'll reduce the up-and-down emotional effects of a trip? After hearing your advice I'm considering taking half about 45 minutes before the trip, and half 45 minutes into the trip. Would this be suitable?

That's just not true. The effects wouldn't be the same as with nitrous, but far more enlightening (and I would say interesting).

Well you're probably right, but an increased mushroom dose would put me in a state where I'd find it difficult to communicate well with others, and it would last for several hours. Because this is a group roll/trip, most of the focus will be around the synchronized thought of everyone's combined experience. Because of this, I thought nitrous would be a good way to get a short glimpse into those deeper introspective realms while still retaining the ability to come back to the group's thought a couple minutes later.

Yet mushrooms and cigarettes? Yuck.

to each their own

If your heart starts racing from weed/mdma, just calm yourself down. It might be a bit too much, as you don't have a lot of experience with mushrooms. If you are a healthy person, this combination will probably do no physical harm directly (I've seen people survive more), but it is better to be safe than sorry.

That's good to hear. I've experienced MDMA with weed several times, so the heart racing shouldn't be too big of an issue mentally. I also run each morning so I have a decent heart physically.

The biggest risk is psychological, imho. There are just too many factors in this equation to properly predict what is going to happen. It might be wonderful and it might be hellish. Seeing that you are planning to take it with friends in a safe environment (good!), it is probably best if you decide on the spot if you want to do something and not let a program dictate your experience.

I have only done mushrooms four times before, but since those four trips I've dropped acid 12 times and experimented with DXM, Salvia, MDMA, and a few others. I meditate frequently (about a half hour each day) and I tend to remain level-headed. I'll be in the company of people who I know and trust very well, as we've tripped together numerous times before. To be honest, I highly doubt the combination of MDMA, mushrooms, and cannabis will be anything but a positive experience; the nitrous is the only part I have any doubts about, simply because dissociatives have a completely different effect on the brain than psychedelics do, and I'm still trying to fill in some gaps in my knowledge regarding the health effects of these substances.

Also, I don't have a program for the trip as much as a few general guidelines. We've pretty much determined that the best place to trip is in nature, so we've picked a place with several different areas to explore (woods, fields, as well as a panoramic view of the city, the mountains, and the ocean beyond) and we'll decide what to do and where to go spontaneously.

How much mushrooms / mdma were you planning on taking?

1/8 ounce of psilocybe cubensis with a ~100mg capsule of molecular MDMA.

 

[GOD]

Whats "molecular MDMA" and whats "molly" ?

3.7 grams of mushrooms is OK but 10 is better and with 10 you wont feel like takeing anything else .

 

[OneTwoThree]

Whats "molecular MDMA" and whats "molly" ?

3.7 grams of mushrooms is OK but 10 is better and with 10 you wont feel like takeing anything else .

Molly is just a nickname for molecular MDMA. Molecular MDMA is simply the chemical MDMA without the impurities present in pills. Molly is found in capsules; this is because MDMA requires binders to exist as a pill, as the chemical doesn't retain a shape when pressed. Molecular MDMA is pure, so it doesn't contain binders or other chemicals.

10 grams wouldn't leave me wanting to communicate with the group whatsoever. Introspective trips are great, but there's something incredible about the way minds synchronize on a good trip or roll.

 

[Forkbender]

What exactly do you mean by 'flatten the trip?' Do you mean it'll be somewhat sobering, or that it'll reduce the psychedelic intensity, or that it'll reduce the up-and-down emotional effects of a trip? After hearing your advice I'm considering taking half about 45 minutes before the trip, and half 45 minutes into the trip. Would this be suitable?

I mean that from what I hear from people who have experience with taking mushrooms and then MDMA (I only did it the other way around), when the MDMA hits in, the trip gets less profound. Imagine tripping and then suddenly you loose the multifacetedness of the universe by being pushed into a happy direction. Now imagine being in a very good mood because of the MDMA and then start to trip, taking of in all directions.

The synergy between MDMA and mushrooms (or tryptamines in general) is great. I never had a bad comedown while tripping. The tryptamine takes over the experience and really deepens it without you burning out.

I don't know about N2O on shrooms, but I know plenty of people who survived. :wink:

 

[Brugmansia]

Cut out the nicotine!

Also, make sure you have a low tolerance to MDMA because coming off the E too quickly with open doors = not fine. Or at least being certain that the MDMA will not cause any negative energy after it wears off (if negative energy occurs, swallowing more to reserve this, may possibly lead to physical discomfort), a neutral come down is sufficient. An afterglow brilliant. Too much MDMA acts physically more like an amphetamine.

The combination THC + Shrooms + MDMA + N20 can turn into into pure bliss. Be aware of bloodsugar levels, water requirements and decreased B12 levels (do not not inhale too often N20). Theoretically the combination is valid, although I haven't practised it myself. The more you combine, the less predictable your reaction may be.

It's very hard to predict whether you can take some insights back to the sober life or not with such a combination.

 

[OneTwoThree]

Cut out the nicotine!

It's a roll... maybe I'll only have a couple

Also, make sure you have a low tolerance to MDMA because coming from the E with open doors = not fine. Or at least being certain that the MDMA will not cause any negative energy after it wears off (if negative energy occurs, swallowing more to reserve this, may lead to physical discomfort), a neutral come down is sufficient. An afterglow brilliant.

I've only used MDMA 8 times in the past, and I haven't touched it in about four months. I wouldn't take more MDMA to postpone a comedown--I'll have plenty of weed for that.

The combination THC + Shrooms + MDMA + N20 can turn into into pure bliss. Be aware of bloodsugar, water requirements and decreased B12 levels (do not not inhale too often N20).

I'll have the nitrous in my backpack, so I'll also throw a few gatorades in there. I don't use nitrous often at all, so I'm not too worried about the B12 (though I'll replenish it soon after the trip). What exactly do you mean by bloodsugar, does nitrous affect it? Also, are there any negative effects of a temporary B12 efficiency?

It's very hard to predict whether you can take some insights back to the sober life or not with such a combination.

That's true, but the e will add a connecting element between the group, so hopefully when we discuss the trip later it'll invoke a similar memory between us.

I mean that from what I hear from people who have experience with taking mushrooms and then MDMA (I only did it the other way around), when the MDMA hits in, the trip gets less profound. Imagine tripping and then suddenly you loose the multifacetedness of the universe by being pushed into a happy direction. Now imagine being in a very good mood because of the MDMA and then start to trip, taking of in all directions.

Hmm, I'll look out for that. I think I'll take half the molly 45 minutes before the trip and the second half 45 minutes in. Hopefully that way an 1/8th of shrooms will still lead the experience.

The synergy between MDMA and mushrooms (or tryptamines in general) is great. I never had a bad comedown while tripping. The tryptamine takes over the experience and really deepens it without you burning out.

I've only combined MDMA with a psychedelic once, when I took LSD--and it was absolutely amazing. I had seen glimpses of that type of sheer positivity before on other substances, but this felt like an entirely more lucid experience.