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beat light heroine addiction with kratom:help!

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I'm detoxicating from methadone(50 days without) but i'm taking little doses of heroine in the last 15 days,and became a little addicted again...do u think i can beat addiction using kratom?i want to buy 20 grams of resin extract not to get high,just pain relief.some suggestions,pls...powder or resin?how to ingest?how much?help as soon as possible...please...
 
as i heard kratom is a bit adictive it self, so be carefull you dont get just an other adiction.
 
kratom wont give you the heroin feeling but there are more people who use it to treat a very small adiction. if i were you... i would just give it a try you dont have anything to lose better slightly addicted to kratom then heroin. good luck
 
and for your other question how to ingest it... some people make tea out of it but i recomend to eat it. the taste is very nasty but it wil work chew well on it and effects wil be noticed after 30 or 40 minutes.
 
Shroomlady a dit:
Maybe you can try some ibogaine??? I once saw this very impressing movie about heroine users on Iboga, it help in about 50 % of the cases. More info about it http://www.ibogaine.co.uk/ and http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/ibogaine/ibogaine.shtml

On the other hand, the folks at heroinhelper.com are of the mind that ibogaine does fuck all, which is not surprising since it is a psychedelic, not a wonder cure. They seem to have some really fucked up ideas and views over there that are probably best left alone, but when it comes to actual, personal knowledge of use and addiction, it's hard to beat people who've been there and done that.

Read this experience report on Erowid: http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=1948
Then, after all that glowing new age bullshit, read the sobering footnote by the Erowid admin team.
 
Hi there Ketalargold! First of all I would like to tell you that you are not in a place where you can´t get out. Heroin is not more that acethylmorphine, it´s like opium, but with two acethyl groups, the pharmacphore is morphine, the diacethyl groups are just carriers to achieve high concentration of morphine in the brain, is to say, it passes easily the brain blood barrier. You can´t find in kratom a substitue for heroin, try another opcion. The methadone is sell as "methadose" for heroine dependents, it´s an agonist of opiates, it´s important for you to know what is happening in your body. This drugs act in specific receptors, the opiates, and you have endogenous ligands know as endorphines, in the dependence you reach to a kind of "metabolic disease" cause your endogenous ligands are not enough to activate the number of receptors that you were used to with heroine, and it gives pain, it doesn´t give the pain really but it puts down the treshold of the pain and for your treatment you have to put that treshold upper to live well without "exogenous endorphines". Methadone is a good solution, it can be taken orally, I don´t know if you administrated heroine intra-venously, first of all take the dose orally is good to "forget" the veins...Methadone is used cause it has a long t1/2 (half life time) and you don´t "taste" the bigg biggg downnnn of heroine abstinence. I don´t know your dependence and the doses that you took, but one dose methadone everyday can be good a solution. Now there´s a new drug LAAM (L-alfa-acethylmetadol) wich has the same effects as methadone but with a bigger t1/2, it would give the possibility to take doses in a larger space of time. Propoxiphen is good if you don´t have a big big dependence of it, it´s a weaker agonist, only you are able to know your degree of dependence. Kratom to treat depedence sounds almost ridiculous, it´s better take one gram of acetominophen (paracetamol). If your privation of heroine gives you hard effects on the peripheric nervous system try agonists of alpha-adrenergic receptors, cause a big part of you unconfortable situation are related with an hyperactivity of your sympatic system in the locus ceruleus, if you have high lacrimation, diaphoresis,cold, insomnia, ansiety and intestinal hypermotility, clonidine usually used has anti-hypertension is one of those agonists. I hope that you get better with it, and heroine is not a friendly drug, is too good to be used, that´s the problem, forget it and find another good tastes in the life not related with drugs, we learn with our mistakes, we can´t travel in time, but we can make our future!
 
Kratom to treat depedence sounds almost ridiculous, it´s better take one gram of acetominophen (paracetamol)
Well, I don't think Kratom is a good substitute for heroine, but the extract is definitely stronger than Paracetamol!
However, you'd have to take like 5g of the extract at least 2 times a day (that's what I guess you will need only to feel kind of normal when you are used to strong opiates). It will be horribly expensive - yet heroine is even more expensive, I guess, so what the heck... just try it... it can't get any worse than a heroine addiction, can it?
 
Man your are fucking junkie-no offends I am also.You are trying to find something to substitute heroin.There is no other chemical with effect like diamorphine-heroin.Kratom is for grass smokers,you are higer level than that.Try if you have obvisualiy mental dependence buprenorfin or MST cont.tablets.My way is prozac with 40mg of metilfenidat and 3pills of xanax sr 2mg.It will need to be on some of this medicaments for 6 months and than you will forget opiats with higher affinity to mi receptors.And change your mates-in 90% its theirs and yours guilty for restarting of takeing herkan.Dont fuck your self.Ask me if you whant other options.and Please do not be angry because of my true words from heart . 8)
 
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