Are you familiar with the Dosage Calculator?

[huru]

I saw a topic in which people were wondering what is the dosage of fresh psilocybe cubensis

i would recommend this:
http://www.shroomery.org/6257/Magic-Mus ... Calculator

 

[Forkbender]

Yeah, that's a good link.

I modified the title a bit so people know what they are clicking on...

Welcome to Psychonaut, btw.

 

[Space-is-the-Place]

I think the dose calculator is bunk
You don't know about the potency.
It tells me I have to take 2,214 grams of dried cubensis shrooms to reach a level 5 trip.
2 grams doesn't take me beyond level 1, so I don't think this is a usefull tool.

"When in doubt, just double the dose"

 

[LsDxMdma]

i can say 2 grams takes me past a level1 but not very much farther :

 

[huru]

well it says 5 grams dried for me

 

[huru]

Yeah, that's a good link.

I modified the title a bit so people know what they are clicking on...

Welcome to Psychonaut, btw.

aye that title is better

thanks btw

 

[Space-is-the-Place]

well it says 5 grams dried for me

Ah now it's 4,9
Must've incidentally changed something.
(or maybe it meant 2.214 grams )

Still, I wish I could reach level 5 on 5 grams dried

Probably a good tool for people who feel better thinking that they now know better what they're up against.
(not in a negative way or anything, I bet it's helpful to people)
Ofcourse bodies are different (that's also in the disclaimer)

 

[huru]

well i think that calc is good for starters... especially when you take fresh shrooms

 

[Forkbender]

I agree that it might be a very good tool for new explorers. If you have some experience, you know your own body and mind and don't need to turn to general guidelines.

It is quite handy to compare different species.

 

[Space-is-the-Place]

I agree that it might be a very good tool for new explorers.

Definitely

It is quite handy to compare different species.

Yes, interesting to know
Now I know why I always liked Panaeolus Cyanescens

 

[Mr.Smith]

i would have to multiply the figures by 10 - it says 3.94g dried P.sem will get me to level 5, i think not

 

[GOD]

I think its total bullshit . Dangerous bullshit . Everyone is different . Every trip is different . Different people see the shulgin scale diferently , some think when they are on level 3 they are on level 5 for example . No one can give you permision to trip , to trip safely , tell you how high your going to get or if you should have done it in the first place .

 

[st.bot.32]

I guess I'm nit picky but I'm not sure how accurate the mushroom potency is either. P azurenscens can easily have 3x the psilocybin content of cubensis, at least according to the charts I've read before, not twice as is listed here. Here's a nice scale complete with references:

http://www.erowid.org/plants/mushrooms/mushrooms_info4.shtml

Also I much prefer the shulgin scale myself to their lev 1-5 scale, the shulgin scale is much more subjective (eg a first time tripper might have a genuine +++ experience off just a couple grams or one hit of acid, but with time and experience later might need 2-3 hits for a +++ experience). They measure "level" here by visuals which is not how i measure my trips. I've had fairly mild and yet incredibly visual trips, and much more intense trips with very few visuals but extreme time expansion, drifting out of body effects, etc...

 

[aryaman]

I find it usefull to compare the effect of every shroom type.

Like, I know that copelandia is 2x cubensis, appr., or that with a maoi I double the effect, or such things.

Than, I've experimented enough on myself to know how to reach every level

 

[Alan_Rockefeller]

Still, I wish I could reach level 5 on 5 grams dried

That sounds like a good starting dose if you want to reach level 5, some people eat much larger amounts but others would be calling the paramedics if they ate more than 5 grams. I think it would be irresponsible to advocate taking more, especially since the dosage calculator is primarily used by noobs, people who can handle more aren't likely to need it.

Now I know why I always liked Panaeolus Cyanescens

Yea pan cyans are great. FYI, species names should not be capitalized, just the genus names.

i would have to multiply the figures by 10 - it says 3.94g dried P.sem will get me to level 5, i think not

That sounds like a good number to me, 4 grams of liberty caps is a very strong trip. Most people eat 1 - 2 grams.

I think its total bullshit . Dangerous bullshit . Everyone is different . Every trip is different . Different people see the shulgin scale diferently , some think when they are on level 3 they are on level 5 for example . No one can give you permision to trip , to trip safely , tell you how high your going to get or if you should have done it in the first place .

I think its sound advice. Some people only need very small amounts, others large, but in general it seems pretty accurate.

If in doubt double the dose

That is some dangerous advice.

If in doubt you should cut the dose in half and take more later if its not enough.

I guess I'm nit picky but I'm not sure how accurate the mushroom potency is either. P azurenscens can easily have 3x the psilocybin content of cubensis, at least according to the charts I've read before, not twice as is listed here.

All psilocybin mushrooms vary quite a bit in potency. Healthy mushrooms on a rich substrate will be much stronger than mushrooms from the same patch picked a couple years later when the substrate is starting to become depleted.

 

[Mr.Smith]

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[restin]

I would need a good tripsitter but there is none here (in my environment) that has a) experience b) I trust.

 

[ophiuchus]

that shit is dumb. how the hell is an average n00b supposed to know how many milligrams per gram of psilocybin or psilocin they're getting.....?! i see no value in it. an experienced person might know, but they probably won't need the chart if the mushrooms they ate were REAL

 

[Space-is-the-Place]

Still, I wish I could reach level 5 on 5 grams dried

That sounds like a good starting dose if you want to reach level 5, some people eat much larger amounts but others would be calling the paramedics if they ate more than 5 grams.

There's always some guy who would want to go for the level 5 trip instantly and freak out.
You can't protect people from themselves.
I do agree on the fact that for a lot of people the rule is:"Better too little then too much"

If in doubt double the dose

That is some dangerous advice.

That's not advice, that's his signature, it's an old psychonaut.com joke.
Besides, people here aren't stupid.

Now I know why I always liked Panaeolus Cyanescens

FYI, species names should not be capitalized, just the genus names.

That's my way of showing how much I respect them

 

[Alan_Rockefeller]

that shit is dumb. how the hell is an average n00b supposed to know how many milligrams per gram of psilocybin or psilocin they're getting.....?!

They don't need to know, that value is selected for you automatically when you select a species in the drop-down. You can also change it to adjust for a batch that is particularly potent or weak.

i see no value in it. an experienced person might know, but they probably won't need the chart if the mushrooms they ate were REAL

The most valuable part is giving you an idea of how much to eat when you are eating something more obscure than Psilocybe cubensis.

One of the mushrooms on there (Panaeolus subbalteatus) is common on lawns in all 50 states.

There's always some guy who would want to go for the level 5 trip instantly and freak out.
You can't protect people from themselves.
I do agree on the fact that for a lot of people the rule is:"Better too little then too much"

Yea I think they do a good job of promoting safety by slightly underestimating how much it takes most people to get to level 5. I think most noobs would get to level 5 with the amounts given, I certainly wouldn't advocate taking any more unless the person was an experienced tripper. Its easy to eat mushrooms but its difficult to uneat them, especially if you are a noob at a show or something.

That's not advice, that's his signature, it's an old psychonaut.com joke.
Besides, people here aren't stupid.

Its a Terrence McKenna quote. Terrence said lots of good stuff but this advice he is giving is dangerous and mostly applies to experienced psychedelics users who are at home. Its great advice if you are smoking DMT, but I don't think it applies much to other substances. I usually tell people "Less is more", that way you can sort of keep track of what you are doing and you can much more easily convince the cops that you don't need to be taken in. If you are at home laying in your bed, go ahead and eat a half oz or more if you don't mind puking and writhing on the floor.

That's my way of showing how much I respect them

Thats very kind of you however if you want to show anyone that knows much about biology that you know what you are talking about you'll need to capitalize properly. I see people do it all the time and I usually don't say anything but its in your sig so I thought I'd give you a heads up. I don't care one way or the other but I like to help the psychedelics community get more respect in the scientific community, they have a lot in common.