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Are antidepressants good for you if you're already healthy?

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(CNN) -- Troy Dayton pops a little white pill every morning. He's one of the 10 million Americans taking a daily antidepressant. But in his case, he says he was never depressed in the first place.

This 29-year-old political lobbyist is one of the happiest people you'll ever meet. He's constantly smiling, and says he wakes up belly-laughing two or three times a week. Dayton says he's an optimist by nature, and that his daily dose of Wellbutrin makes him feel even better.

"Wellbutrin makes me feel great," Dayton told CNN. "Wellbutrin made me feel clear-headed, much more able to focus. I don't think it means that I don't ever experience any sadness, but I think it makes me experience sadness in a very healthy way."

Dayton says a doctor first prescribed Wellbutrin for him 2 1/2 years ago, as an aid to quit smoking. Buproprion, the active drug in the antidepressant, helps smokers quit because it partially blocks the brain chemicals which keep them hooked. A recent study by UCLA researchers found that the drug may help break addiction to methamphetamine, too. Buproprion also increases the brain level of dopamine, a chemical linked to excitement, new experience and pleasure.

Psychiatrists tell CNN that Dayton's use of Wellbutrin as a lifestyle drug is potentially dangerous, although little is known about the long-term effects.
"These medicines are not harmless," said Dr. Peter Kramer, author of "Listening to Prozac." Kramer said some doctors think that if you stay on antidepressants long enough, you'll come to rely on them. Other doctors believe they might trigger manic-depressive illness in susceptible people, he said.

Most antidepressants -- though not Wellbutrin -- are in a group of drugs known as selective serotonin reuptake inhibitors, or SSRIs. They prevent the body from re-absorbing the naturally occurring chemical serotonin, thus increasing serotonin levels in the brain. It's like plugging up a drain to keep running water in the sink.

Serotonin, like dopamine, is linked to good feeling. Those chemicals and others are released during any pleasurable experience, like a kiss, or eating a bar of chocolate. The release of endorphins, another chemical, is linked to the "runner's high" experienced by some endurance athletes.

Chemically, there's little difference between good feelings induced by medication and those occurring naturally. But the use of antidepressants by those who don't need them raises, for many, not just medical concerns but ethical flags as well. The concerns grow larger when the subject turns to illegal drugs. Millions of Americans take them, but few are willing to admit it. Once again, Troy Dayton is a rare exception. He told CNN he takes Ecstasy, also known as MDMA, about once a year.

He likens the feeling it gives him to falling in love. "In certain moments, it's just this feeling of intensity. If your heart could jump out of your body and into the other person's, it would."

Dr. Julie Holland, a psychiatrist at New York University, says MDMA holds promise as an aid to psychotherapy for some patients, if taken under the guidance of a trained therapist under tightly controlled conditions. The federal government has approved early human trials

"Our understanding of the brain is still in its infancy," says Holland. "The SSRIs that I like to prescribe take really about two or three weeks before people start to feel them. The full effects won't kick in until about four to six weeks, or six to eight weeks."

By contrast, illicit drugs kick in almost immediately. Dr. Nora Volkow, director of the National Institute on Drug Abuse, says they produce pleasure - and often lead to addiction - using the same neural pathways that light up when people have sex or enjoy a good meal. She says these pathways also guide primal emotions like the satisfaction a mother gets from nurturing her infant.
"It's not that drugs create a new landscape in our brains," Volkow said. "Drugs hijack those landscapes that are there [already], that are extraordinarily important to motivate our behaviors."

Volkow says Ecstasy users are risking serious physical harm, including damaged neurons and deep depression. Government statistics show Ecstasy is linked to about 8,000 emergency room visits every year, mostly for overheating and dehydration.

Dayton is unrepentant about his drug use. "If we have the ability to have something better, then why not?" he asks. "However someone can sustain a certain level of happiness without hurting someone else, should be celebrated and not questioned."

Where antidepressants are concerned, Holland agrees. "I think it's sort of this puritanical mind set. You're supposed to sort of go it alone, and you don't need crutches unless your leg is broken," she said.

"[But] short of doing very advanced PET scans, where you're looking at receptors and neurotransmitters and things like this, it's hard to say who really deserves to take antidepressants and for whom it's a luxury. Having a private practice in New York City, I have a lot of luxury-minded patients who just know if they take something they'll feel a little bit better. And I'm okay with that."

By Caleb Hellerman

CNN
 
Not the latest news, but I'd like to know how you feel about this :smirk:
 
i believe it is necessary for your development in life, to be thrown from hell to heaven and the other way around, also in mediation. but by going trough both you grow. these stuff equalize your emotions, it takes the extremes away, the depth, the points you think you're going crazy. i believe those points are necessary
 
the world is changing everyday, and we grow up knowing that everything will change, that stability is the most persuable value. in the middle ages, it was the opposite: people led stable lives, and perhaps they would have a couple of major changes in their lives. we, the people who live in the present, are everyday shown that a major breakthrough happened in science, that a million died from a genocide, etc, etc.
i think this is just a way to balance our lives. we have not been designed to live constantly on the edge of change. we have been designed to chase our dinner thru the jungle, and do the same since we are useful until the day we die. so, i think the antidepressants are not wrong, the rest is. and of course, if the rest went away, nobody would take antidepressants :P
 
"The concerns grow larger when the subject turns to illegal drugs. Millions of Americans take them, but few are willing to admit it."

I admit it and I don't see why the concern would grow. Does legality and illegality automaticly detirmin what is good and bad for my health? Is smoking cigarettes good? I mean it';s legal. I don't see what the conection is between Illegal drugs and if it's cause for concern or not.

8)
 
I believe anti-depressants are for people that can function properly because negative emotions get the overhand. I cant believe this is really healthy because I think that within a normal person negative emotions help to get over problems and deal with them.
 
the question is in how far you'd live in a fake world or a fake state of happines just to be happy? 'cause isn't being happy the main purpose of life?
 
that's what aristotles said.


...but then, nietzsche said: "what's the purpose of searching for happiness?"; "why should a man be happy?"
 
it's about longterm satisfaction or short term satisfaction
 
i believe it is necessary for your development in life, to be thrown from hell to heaven and the other way around, also in mediation. but by going trough both you grow. these stuff equalize your emotions, it takes the extremes away, the depth, the points you think you're going crazy. i believe those points are necessary

Necessary for what?


I believe anti-depressants are for people that can function properly because negative emotions get the overhand. I cant believe this is really healthy because I think that within a normal person negative emotions help to get over problems and deal with them.

Define a 'normal person' please ;)
 
Heartcore- Indeed...

daytripper- you said

" i think this is just a way to balance our lives. we have not been designed to live constantly on the edge of change. we have been designed to chase our dinner thru the jungle "


Yes, BUT...we have evolved since then. Here is where the old 'natural and artificial selection' theories kick in again.

We are adjusting to living on the edge, and those who do not are becoming obsolete. It is a selective pressure.

Chasing a steak down aisle 3 is a far cry from what I quoted you saying.

Any drug that has to have an inductive period of time of 6 to 8 weeks to become 'effective'
I DONT TRUST AT ALL.

Why not? Because all the motherfucking wonder drugs that companies such as Lilly, Squibb, Merck, Bayer, et al are releasing have not been tested for long term effects.

Anyone with any perceptual abilities at all know that these companies are straight whores, looking only for profit, on their knees at the splintered altar of capitalism.

Here in the USA, personal injury attorneys rake in millions, maybe even billions of dollars annually suing the ass off of these companies because the TRUE side effects take a little longer than the miniscle amount of time the FDA makes them test these drugs for, usually a year or two.

Fen-fen, zyprexia, etc. etc.

It isn't the science thats bad. Its chaining science to a crippled, diseased animal known as capitalism that dilutes its effect and robs us all of what science really has to offer.
 
I've been on prozac for about a year and a half because I was depressed (not a major depression, but definitely not a normal state of mind). For a few weeks the prozac felt like ecstasy, then the effects began to fade. It helped me stay relaxed in difficult situations for about a year. Then I felt the effects were totally gone, I was left with the side effects (sudden feelings of sleepiness and such).

From my experience with prozac and all other drugs (not medical but rather illegal) I can say that none of them will work forever. There's nothing worse than to depend on a drug to feel normal while knowing that when you started taking it it made you feel better and happier.

For me the illusion that any kind of drug could help you forever is gone. I don't know wellbutrin, but I highly doubt it would have positive effects forever. At some point you'll just be left with the bad side effects, the good effects being gone...
 
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