Amanitas, Why is it that.....?

[alphasnail]

Greetings friends! A few weeks ago I had the privalage of opening a new door in my mind, and the keys to that door was Amanitas. After my experience i was poised with a question. I was wondering why there are so many cases that people felt little or no effects when ingested?

A few weeks ago two friends and I ingested 12.5g each. Of the three I was the only one that experienced hallucinations. Experiencing Fractal colors that took form of cartoon like mushroom men and other cartoon like beings. The closed eye visuals were even more pronounce, when i closed my eyes it was as if i was entering a dream, coming in and out as i opened and closed my eyes. I then went into a sleep like trans, were I was sleeping but still aware of my surroundings, sounds hard to fathom I know, but the next morning i could recall full conversations my other two friends had while I was "sleeping." Exessive salvation, drowsyness, light headed, and perspiration was also experienced.

As for the other two who ingested the Amanitas. One experienced only light headedness. The other experienced all the same physical effects i did, drowsiness, salvation, persperation ect.

The next day I was dumbfounded, I "tripped bawls" and my friends did not. Why was this? Why does the mushrooms psychedelic properties effect some and not others? Is this something that has been explained from a scientific stand point and spiritual standpoint? What are your opinions?

 

[Brugmansia]

I wouldn't know, but me thinks one needs to be delicate for it somehow.

Your experience is a proper example why I have become really interested in this toadstool. I guess one needs to ''get it'' to have the full amanita effects papable. The same goes for Salvia and Cacti.

Cannabis is a more common example, I know people who smoke hit after hit and they do not notice what's going on within their inner perspective and subconsciousness. They just feel sleepy and drowsy. But 1 big hit strongly extends my thought fields, lifts imagination and I can feel my heart pulse clearly. I'm incidental even quite speedy because of the elevated subconsciousness after smoking weed. It is anything but a downer to me.

Congrats though. Never did Amanita, but seems you have had quite an intellectual and magical experience.

 

[alphasnail]

Thanks man! I realy enjoyed the experience even tho the majority of it felt like a dream. and Ya I can see how you think that. One factor i forgot to mention is that I had fasted the entire day to avoid throwing up. And my friends went and ate 2 huge burritos for a late lunch 3 hours prior to ingestion. Were the only FOOD I ate was the Aminitas, wich was around 8, and I had been awake since 10am. Funny thing is.... I WAS THE ONLY ONE TO THROW UP! but it was not within the primary 2 hours of onset, I threw up while I was in that "trans" like state. (luckly it was mostly dry heaving)

For smoking weed, I do experience the sleepiness ect, ect, However that seems to be only with Indica strains. The more insightful experiences is primarily with sativa strains. I can literly feel my conscience expand.

So could that be one possible factor? That I was the only one to fast?

 

[Brugmansia]

It makes a significant difference if one ingests any entheogen during a phase of starving mode. It's rapidly metabolized into the bloodstream and doesn't have much company of any other nutrients which may dilute the concentration. Also light-headedness is a frank state of mind to percieve the effects more luminous.

Regarding puking despite empty bowels, are you aware of the allegory of the cave used by the Greek philosopher Plato?

 

[alphasnail]

Ya that is very very true about fasting.

Regarding puking despite empty bowels, are you aware of the allegory of the cave used by the Greek philosopher Plato?

No, enlighten me please. =]

 

[tryptonaut]

Amanitas are really difficult to dose, I think. It differs from person to person, and also differs from mushroom to mushroom.

I think it is almost impossible to get some little effect, to test what it's about. I have tried that several times and although I felt something like increased heart rate, light-headedness, sense of wellbeing, it never went psychedelic.
I also once used some dose 10-12grams (I think, I'm not sure anymore). It was a dose that was supposed to give me a medium strong trip, but it didn't go psychedelic at all.

Then there's this one guy (I forgot his website) who says the only real way to take Amanitas is like to eat 6 extra large caps or more, and to re-cycle one's urine afterwards. He claims you are going to have the trip of your lifetime, a journey throughout which you can actually stop time, or make it go backwards. When you wake up a felt hundred years later it's just the next morning. Sounded really really strong, at least as extreme as a good DMT trip. Damn I can't remember the site...

*edit* I remembered the name, it's jamesarthur.net - but somehow it's down, I only get this greetings page.
Whatever, I found an interesting interview with him on youtube:

...oh... and now I know why his site might be down: he's dead! http://www.rense.com/general64/james.htm

 

[tryptonaut]

... these are the moments where our human brains are tempted to believe in fate: I once saved his whole website as a PDF to read it on my palm pilot.
This is like the only website I ever saved on my computer - but here you go 8)
However the amanita recipe part is not in this PDF, also the trip description - this is only the "Mushrooms & Mankind" essay. Well, a good read anyways!

http://rapidshare.de/files/47284792/Jam ... d.rar.html
the forum won't let me upload either rar or pdf files (it seems to and then says "an error occured") that's why it's on rapidshare, sorry.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Check this out as well: http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/files/herbofimmortality.pdf

 

[alphasnail]

As much as I would love to be a Shaman, I just dont think I have the stomach to down my own urine. lol.

I plan to see if I can once again open the Amanitas door in my mind some time this week.

 

[mysticwarrior]

I also experienced a little of the effects, but it was a very small dose. If i remember well, it where 2 small caps from 4cm in length.

Check this out as well: http://www.ambrosiasociety.org/files/he ... tality.pdf

alphasnail, you should really read the book that Caduceus posted There is lots of info about the amanita, many receipts. And they even claim that they have a trick to grow the myceleum at home.