Ageing

[IJesusChrist]

We always think of ourselves as the person "now", that we are the 'now' person, and not the person of the future of the past.

We think of ourselves as a plateau in age, ready to reach the next 20, 10, 5 year mark... and then we realize we've changed. We look back a year ago at photos and recollect how young we looked, just one year ago. We view the present as not consistently happening, but rather a short period of time, the present is today, or this week, or this month. We block our time into fragments so we can better handle the information given.

When we realize that we are forever aging, constantly reaching a destination we know little about, we may become fearful. The fear arises out of surprise, possible regret, and anxiousness. Wondering whether or not we will accomplish what we want, or even who we are now.

We never can stop, and say "I really like this location in time, I think I'll choose to stay here." No, we'd just simply like to think thats how it happens, but we just keep moving forward.

Its odd that the only way to perceive anything is to age, to change our position in time by going to the future. Why don't we perceive life backwards? Why doesn't consciousness start at death and move towards birth; I see no reason for the beginning to be the only view point for genesis - why isn't death the beginning, and birth the end?

We are just observers of the moving screen, impossible to find the producer or director, but can interact as we please, or so it seems.

Life is but a dream to the waking gardner...
[We = me]

 

[BrainEater]

the world is but a dream, too. consider this now: what if you had a dream you were so sure it was real, what if you were unable to wake from that dream?

the earth has a resonance frequency. you vibrate and resonate with it like it does with you. you exchange information and you pass time. all that happens in your thoughts, happens in your body and like it may happen in your soul or some comparable plane you might attribute to "your reality". so the earth and other people might have similar mechanisms for experiencing and "passing time". you noticed not only you yourself are bound to the "spell" of ageing and maybe that's what lets you feel powerless. in your mind time doesn't exist so you have to create a illusion for it in order to measure it, compare it, etc and you do...

so the cogs in a wheel you yoursself set up in your mind seem like a linear machinery, but that is only because you don't fully understand how time really works. that dilemna descends from your mind into your body and depending on how you "maintain" it, it will go on and have effects on the lower planes of your existence or reality. at some point in time, you might have to let go of the ego-attachment you made in your thoughts and your inner clock will adjust to the "natural clock" once again. the natural clock is the embedded duality in reality itself. it's wake-sleep, life-death, day-night, man-woman, and so on...
basically it's nature and regarding this we have been lied to a lot by industry, media, politics and their agents.

i suggest to you, not to put so much importance on words and labels. they only hold you back. your mind is made for that, but you noticed YOU are involved in some sort of process there too and i guess you don't wanna give more power away...

we have created time, but we can't solve it on the same plane we created it...


peace

 

[IJesusChrist]

Braineater, why do you insist on labeling my views of reality and time as wrong?

I can't help but see that you do not even try to understand what I say, your logic is far superior to mine, and that I am just a scared kitten lost. I don't know how you get this view of me, but it is very irritating. You belittle me and my thoughts, my words - that I am just ignorant of what reality 'really is'. Yet you give little explanation other than things that make absolutely no sense... I know you are trying to approach it in a non-negative fashion, but have you ever given someone else's ideas (mine?) a chance?

I am not fearful of reality, I am not afraid of time, space, myself. You seem to insist I am, and your posts seem to target me directly. I wish I could understand exactly where you are coming from but I cannot relate to you or your logic.

I also don't know what you are refering to when you say I should stear away from labels; what have I labeled?

I think your vision of me, and how I perceive reality is not valid.

I encourage you to not take this as an arguement, but this is how I feel.

 

[HermesTrismegistus]

I think your vision of me, and how I perceive reality is not valid.

I encourage you to not take this as an arguement, but this is how I feel.

Don't take BrainEater to serious or anyone else, we all perceive reality to much in a different way. IJezuschrist i do read the most of your theory's and love to read how you question and do try to find explanations for a lot of things and keep learning to get a better understanding about the world you live in. For me a lot of what you say seems as a possible true, but also some things Braineater does say look like a possible true. I think i do understand to a certain point how you both percieve reality. So don't get me wrong, but I don't think that braineater does look down on you(I do understand why you do think and feel as if he does.). But i guess he is trying to say that you should try to do not see yourself as a body(ego) or a machine. And i think he really does have a point here, but it doesn't mean your theory's are wrong. I thing if you would mix the theory's of your both together, that it probably would make it even more interesting.

why isn't death the beginning, and birth the end?

What if you are only the observer and you die in the spirit world and then arrive in the world we do share with each other where you will have a body which finally dies(ageing) and you go back to the spirit world and get born again. Isn't that Death the beginning and birth the end and vice versa? Then you are not really ageing except for you body in the physical realm.

I am not saying this is true, but what if?

Greets and Love,
Hermes.

 

[BrainEater]

just trying to open your mind, because it is closed or closing. i recognize you try to do the same with me, too, and i am grateful for that. i just can't take the talking past each other any more... it's like talking to yourself, but in a negative way. it promotes lies in one of each other. that's why i'll end it, if you won't. in fact i will do that to all of you puny humans. we can't afford too many negative lies in this times of crisis for our lady gaia.
actually, i think i feel hurt by the notion that my perception of your perception of reality is not valid. anyway i might be telling you the same thing. don't be bothered by this tho. i avoid putting too much value on perception or thought itself, as i have accepted them as basic functions of my consciousness interface. however it's still true perception can bring forth things of great value, just like thoughts can. don't make this a prison for your mind and it will blossom like a beautiful flower. the same can be applied for your body.

YOU know how you can make traps for your own consciousness at least, quite perfectly. or how could you have the anxiety and panic attacks "taking you over" in the first place?? just tryin' to make you see more, in terms of "a sum makes up the whole" or would you prefer "the whole makes up a sum", instead?? and if you feel mindfucked now, it wasn't me, it's your own thoughts, not mine. :mrgreen:

"the language barrier is made out of words" - unknown

 

[IJesusChrist]

I do have anxiety panic attacks, but I believe it is a problem I didn't create - my mother had it, her sister had it, my grandmother had it, my fathers side is loaded with mental instabilities as well. I am a product of the genes, my mind was constructed just so.

I do believe there are ways to cope, cure, and get along with anxiety, if not completely eliminate it, but due to its genetic inheritence, it is not something that will happen by "opening the mind" ... or maybe it will.

I am very open minded, but i have a basis in what I believe in. If it doesn't make sense physically, i.e. if there is no scientific basis, logic, or reasoning I cannot follow it. It does not feel correct, in my mind I know that I am blinding myself if I follow a blind faith.

There is nothing wrong with believing any theory (that involves some sort of love or compassion), its just that in order for me to believe it, I have to feel right in doing it. And feeling that universe is just this massive wave bounces souls and egos around and everyone is just a big circle jerk love fest and consciousness rules over all else doesn't always sit with me.

I believe we are all one, I believe distinguishing yourself from anything else you see is purely materialistic, but it was necessary for survival. Life is but a dream to the wakeing gardner.

Back to topic; still, I see NO reason why we perceive time as the big bang as the "start" and proceeding out from there. WHY DON'T WE VIEW DEATH AS THE BEGINNING?

 

[ophiuchus]

why? why are you looking so hard for determinism? i find it to be because there has to be at least 1 constant for any of it to make sense. if death was the beginning, and birth was the end, then you would come out thinking "why isn't birth the beginning, wtf?" so it really makes little difference... why expect intangibles to come true? they are fun to think about and give us basis to real things, but other than that, dont expect much physicality from those thoughts. it's just that there is always an opposite point of view to anything in our scenario where one can render pictures of dimensional objects in their mind and such, mental play with the "boundaries" one implements.

in my opinion, the only reason life is viewed from the beginning to the end, is naturally because THE END IS NOT WRITTEN YET. now whatever cause you overlay over my statement to make that true for you, whether you directly consciously/unconsciously control that aspect, or, it's out of your control, the fact still remains, you will never see the end come, as you will fade out before that time comes. the question now is this: is it in your control or out of your control, and why? can this change ever?

i believe the answer to be yes. for better or worse(both ways). in taking any other other viewpoint, i see only apathy and a moral lacking, an avenue to disconnect from the only real thing there is, in hopes for that theres something else, when one simply cant see that they already immersed in all that there is and can be.


braineater keeps saying stuff like that to you, because you refuse to disconnect from your ego while you write, you always leave a tinge of your negative personality on everything. i dont want to get down on you, becvause we all do it on different levels, it's just that for whatever reason, yours is just easier to see. probably because you post a ridiculous amount, so it's very evident. but here is an example..

first of all you specifically referred to everyone every living being, as if we are all in the same place mentally, "we always" now i know that you say at the bottom we=me, but why not write "i always", i just went back and did that mentally, and now i see you have given me a wonderful personal dialogue of yours that i can now use to peer into your paradigm, as i have done in the past, and it just reads - . i start to see a glimmer of + if but for a brief instant, a passing doubt, never taken as a serious possibility, as even considering it brings you sheer terror, for whatever reason... thats a better question. why does simply experimenting mentally with possibilities scare you? you seem to want to move forward but every message of your paradigm says is that it is this hopeless struggle of desparation! trying to iron a sheet flapping in the wind in my opinion. you need to enjoy the breeze a little more . you will get where you want to be. just set your mind on where you want to be, and dont forget to enjoy the journey. have a goal and live the time up to it. DONT look at it as hopeless or you will become those words, that is what jung means by archetypes, dont let those types of "demons" drag you down, instead look for the light down the tunnel. your subjective mood placed over any scenario is what makes it what you see it to be. i really hope that makes sense to you

 

[IJesusChrist]

Aye, I kind of wanted to write that to myself, I'm glad you did it.

You know, I disliked brain's posts because they began with scientific topics such as light and magnetism, and they made no sense whatsoever to what the real world appears to be. However, I carried over my doubts to his insights into psychology and philosophy, and I see that really wasn't called for... I feel we have alot to learn from each other

I do have a negative tinge to my posts - I realize this. It is because I am an eternal skeptic. I have trouble accepting indefinite things, I have always been the kid that asks "why?" indefinitely until no more answer can be dug up, and that bothers me. I strive for knowledge of everything yet it shouldn't be that way... I have a long way to go... a long way to go.

I'd like to say that I am just a skeptic.

I can learn to let go, and enjoy the breeze. I just... want to watch it sometimes, where's it come from?

I'm entering another transition period in my mind I can tell... Alot has been building, and alot is about to be released...

Back on topic... I don't see any reason why the big bang would need to be labeled as the beginning? I understand we perceive time linearly preceding away from the big bang, but I really don't see a real reason why we must view it this way?! If we perceived time in the opposite way - you're right we would ask why the hell don't we view birth first!? And thats my point! Why one over the other?!

I think this may be a deep clue.

As for seeing the way I do, it may drive you crazy

 

[Teonanacapilli]

Why one over the other?!

Cause we gotta roll with something. Or do you mean why not both?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Why one over the other?!

Cause we gotta roll with something. Or do you mean why not both?

I don't buy "well its gotta be one or the other"

 

[BrainEater]

birth and death belong together and are interdepentent. existing like this, they could be seen as focal points of energy, or alternatively we can also name them points of transcendence. i mean if you would have one over the other, seeing it in the "world as we know it", obviously wouldn't make so much sense to us.
so anyway i suggest you this little analogy. our building code and architecture as human beings is as is generally-known the molecule named DNA. now if you read that backwards it spells AND. lol

well why don't you view time as a direction? maybe that would let you see its structure more clearly. referring to near points in time, it appears to be linear, but what happens when you view or oberseve it in a much broader perspective??

i think the big bang aka omniverse can well be the beginning and the end, while the end may as well be representing a new beginning at the same time... just like the beginning is probably almost always the end of something else, too.

peace :weedman:

 

[IJesusChrist]

What if the singularity of the big bang was what we were striving towards? A unity of all species and matter? The entire universe to come into one. A single entity, a single end.

Instead of waking up and getting older and more fragile, we wake up fragile and become more robust, more alive?

 

[BrainEater]

you are aware that every second or so more than 100 000 particles shower you constantly?? lol

 

[IJesusChrist]

Not seeing your point, are you aware that there are more that pass right through you?

 

[OutThisLife]

Argument aside, good post.

I think the reason is because experience is far superior than any book. I also think that the aging process is important, as is death, in order to grain greater understanding. I don't believe in death, only birth. Death isn't scary, you just think it is.

The ego holds onto the idea that death is a bad thing, when it is the opposite. Death will only result in a loss of ego, not your self. If we went backwards, we wouldn't experience this. If we didn't experience ego loss, we wouldn't be here today.

 

[ophiuchus]

What if the singularity of the big bang was what we were striving towards? A unity of all species and matter? The entire universe to come into one. A single entity, a single end.

Instead of waking up and getting older and more fragile, we wake up fragile and become more robust, more alive?

change your view and you change your life . i see the big bang, all of time in between, and the great collapse as nothing more than a quark winking in and out of existance. imagine things on such a scale... :mrgreen:

this is the problem we face. our view is always limited, yet we dont know it, until we see something more grand. always more

 

[IJesusChrist]

yeah, I've encountered that view when high before lol

"Dude... what if.. the universe is just... like.. an atom? and.. there are a million universes?"

"DUDE"

 

[BrainEater]

million =/= infinite ... 8)

 

[Brugmansia]

Did you guys ever reflected back internally on your own posts at psychonaut when tripping balls? Where they all genuinely bright or were some created out of selfish analytical projection, too? :mrgreen:

 

[IJesusChrist]

I'm afraid to read my older posts lol

Most of mine were self-analytical hog wash. Just couldn't see outside the box yet.